Trent Frederic

[Behind Enemy Lines]

This assumes we would even want to re-sign him.

Prior to his injury he was having a pathetic season in Boston. Playing at the level of a bad 4th liner.

I can't imagine they trade for an injured player without some thought of re-signing him. The question is always price tag and fit.

About the player I think it important to take a three year snapshot along with age to assess his career arch. Lots of variables with this season's regression including injury and winning team finally hitting an iceberg. Power forward types are rare. Centre wing versatility an asset. Good age for peak performance range. Hard, physical and straight line play in compete areas of the ice value likely amplifies in playoff hockey.

I'm hopeful about the player. Less so about the management group.

 

[Spawn]

I can't imagine they trade for an injured player without some thought of re-signing him. The question is always price tag and fit.

About the player I think it important to take a three year snapshot along with age to assess his career arch. Lots of variables with this season's regression including injury and winning team finally hitting an iceberg. Power forward types are rare. Centre wing versatility an asset. Good age for peak performance range. Hard, physical and straight line play in compete areas of the ice value likely amplifies in playoff hockey.

I'm hopeful about the player. Less so about the management group.

Good power forward types are rare. Power forward types who suck are dime a dozen.

“Three year snap shot” is probably the type of thinking that caused the Oilers to give up a 2nd+ for an injured UFA who was on pace for 20 points.

 

[JordanGalhanth]

This is making the Jerred Smithson trade look like a massive steal.

 

[Mr Positive]

This is making the Jerred Smithson trade look like a massive steal.

Nope. Playoffs are all that matters. Smithson was mediocre at full health. I'd rather have the chance at something impactful. Give me the gamble

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Good power forward types are rare. Power forward types who suck are dime a dozen.

“Three year snap shot” is probably the type of thinking that caused the Oilers to give up a 2nd+ for an injured UFA who was on pace for 20 points.

Guess we'll see. Guy needs to play or it's a bad deal period. However making a myopic, snap evaluation isn't a good evaluation method.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Guess we'll see. Guy needs to play or it's a bad deal period. However making a myopic, snap evaluation isn't a good evaluation method.

I mean fair, but I would say a guy who is having a bad year then gets a high ankle sprain…and then we go “yeah we will spend a 2nd even though he might only play 7 minutes for us if at all”. Just an awful awful idea.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I mean fair, but I would say a guy who is having a bad year then gets a high ankle sprain…and then we go “yeah we will spend a 2nd even though he might only play 7 minutes for us if at all”. Just an awful awful idea.

There's two points I've posted on. The first is a trade that I posted as expensive with what's transpired as a non-factor injured player with a tricky injury that's doesn't have a clear recovery period. The second point which you've quoted is regarding an assessment of the player to consider if re-signing is worth pursuing. I've noted player type, age, centre wing versatility as attributes I would consider as valuable to this team. Whether an American who's played only in North East USA with ties to St. Louis and Florida is inclined to re-sign is another question I posed about the high trade cost.

 

[CycloneSweep]

There's two points I've posted on. The first is a trade that I posted as expensive with what's transpired as a non-factor injured player with a tricky injury that's doesn't have a clear recovery period. The second point which you've quoted is regarding an assessment of the player to consider if re-signing is worth pursuing. I've noted player type, age, centre wing versatility as attributes I would consider as valuable to this team. Whether an American who's played only in North East USA with ties to St. Louis and Florida is inclined to re-sign is another question I posed about the high trade cost.

Yeah the chances of him resigning are incredibly low to start with, especially when you couple it with the injury so he can’t even really figure out if he likes the team either.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Yeah the chances of him resigning are incredibly low to start with, especially when you couple it with the injury so he can’t even really figure out if he likes the team either.

The trade hasn't worked. Full evaluation can't be made until we see if he can play and contribute in the playoffs. Tied to this window team succeeding. As for re-signing there's a lot of information we don't have access to that will have to unfold. Will say I wonder if Bennett chases money instead of Florida no-state window team, I could see his Turtle childhood friend making a pitch to sign there.

Have to see how all things play out. Early return on trade for an injured guy and a cap dump hasn't been good.

 

[Mr Positive]

Guess we'll see. Guy needs to play or it's a bad deal period. However making a myopic, snap evaluation isn't a good evaluation method.

I'd think we have the inside track to sign him at least. If he doesn't play in the playoffs, or just plays a bit and gets injured, but then re-signs at a decent number, then the trade is salvaged.

But I get it, that it's a fail in that we should have got someone who could help us in our playoff window right now

 

[Arpeggio]

I have to think there have been multiple unforeseen setbacks that have caused the injury to extend so long. There's just no way they made that deal thinking that he would be out for more than two weeks past the deadline, which lines up with what we were hearing at the time.

While I'm all for questioning the intelligence of hockey executives, particularly those hired by the Oilers, I don't believe any of the doctors they spoke to had Frederic being out until anywhere near the playoffs. No one would make that trade if that was the case. Like these people aren't complete morons, though many of us think so.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I'd think we have the inside track to sign him at least. If he doesn't play in the playoffs, or just plays a bit and gets injured, but then re-signs at a decent number, then the trade is salvaged.

But I get it, that it's a fail in that we should have got someone who could help us in our playoff window right now

We'll have to wait and see. They have inside track until day's end June 30. A long or short playoff run might influence his assessment; as a young guy maybe lifestyle considerations factor in; considerations of playing near family or with friends. However life in Canada or homeland seems a growing consideration for U.S. based players.

No one will necessarily outspend the Oilers. But there's a lot of information we don't have about the person and hockey player.

 

[Arpeggio]

We'll have to wait and see. They have inside track until day's end June 30. A long or short playoff run might influence his assessment; as a young guy maybe lifestyle considerations factor in; considerations of playing near family or with friends. However life in Canada or homeland seems a growing consideration for U.S. based players.

No one will necessarily outspend the Oilers. But there's a lot of information we don't have about the person and hockey player.

I would go as far as saying the Oilers shouldn't sign him at the number he'll be asking for. That ~4 million can be allocated better in my opinion. The whole thing only worked if he came in and clicked right away in whatever role here. Without seeing that, I think focusing on Frederic would be a pretty short-sighted move.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I would go as far as saying the Oilers shouldn't sign him at the number he'll be asking for. That ~4 million can be allocated better in my opinion. The whole thing only worked if he came in and clicked right away in whatever role here. Without seeing that, I think focusing on Frederic would be a pretty short-sighted move.

I'm firmly on the fence. Personally I don't know enough about the player's game and growth path in Boston.

I look at how Hyman and Kane's size, hard, aggressive games helped to reshape this team's character and think Frederic could be a solid middle roster player with utility to move around the roster - wing or centre. What does he look like as a McWinger or even flanking a power forward centre Draisaitl? However this is a huge playoff. If they go out early, as a team that is the oldest in the league with regressing numbers, there will be some retooling needed. Though this isn't a really strong free agent crop as alot of teams have been pro-active to sign their guys before another big cap bump happens this summer.

I'm open minded about the player. But if he can't and doesn't play it's mystery box time.

 

[Stoneman89]

Yeah the chances of him resigning are incredibly low to start with, especially when you couple it with the injury so he can’t even really figure out if he likes the team either.

I think he's starting to fit in and really liking the team. Drai has been buying him coffee and popcorn during games, and he's fully engaged with the high fives after victories.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah the chances of him resigning are incredibly low to start with, especially when you couple it with the injury so he can’t even really figure out if he likes the team either.

"Sunk cost fallacy".

 

[Drivesaitl]

Nope. Playoffs are all that matters. Smithson was mediocre at full health. I'd rather have the chance at something impactful. Give me the gamble

Normally I'd agree. But chances are on a TDL McDrai era window lots of players would have an interst in being here and teams that would be looking at options.

 

[oobga]

Will say. He looked decent in his 7 minutes as an Oiler. No one can take that away from us.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Will say. He looked decent in his 7 minutes as an Oiler. No one can take that away from us.

In 7 minutes he spent more time in front of the net than some forwards have all year, and he was hobbled.


As soon as he is healthy enough to play, HF will love him. Next year matters more right now, and we need sign him imo