Trent Frederic

[mouser]

I count 22 as well but I saw some source say it was 24. Could it be strange wording, like the day he was injured counts as a day, and the day he comes back can be one of the days too?

The CBA wording has always been the player has to miss 24 calendar days before returning. The day the player is injured doesn’t count as a day missed, nor does the day the player returns count as a day missed.

Simplest way to break down the rule is the LTIR player is eligible to return as soon as the 25th day after the injury** Missing 24 full calendar days. The precise time of the day the player was injured doesn’t make a difference for the count of days missed.


**Providing the player also missed 10 NHL games during those 24 days. If not then the 10 NHL games missed requirement becomes the cutoff threshold.

 

[Heavy Dee]

With Klingberg going to LTIR that confirms the 24 days aren’t limited to regular season days.

Puckpedia claims the LTIR is okay because he’ll miss 24 days from the injury until the playoffs start. But even that looks wrong to me. By my count Klingberg will have missed only 22 days when the playoffs start.

It was clarified today that at the end of the year, only the 10 games missed applies.

 

[Fourier]

With Klingberg going to LTIR that confirms the 24 days aren’t limited to regular season days.

Puckpedia claims the LTIR is okay because he’ll miss 24 days from the injury until the playoffs start. But even that looks wrong to me. By my count Klingberg will have missed only 22 days when the playoffs start.

Thanks! It seems that the rule may really be 10 regular season games and 24 days or until the end of the season? Who knows with how the NHL interprets its own rules.

 

[bucks_oil]

I look at it as Broberg, a 4th and prospect for Jones.

That may be the way you look at it, but it's more than just a bit intellectually dishonest.

Broberg is making $4.6M... Frederic is making $575K.

The cap we "saved" by not matching Broberg more accurately allowed for Walman and that was only possible once we knew Kane was out the season (which we did not know when we had to make the decision on Broberg).

 

[McShogun99]

That may be the way you look at it, but it's more than just a bit intellectually dishonest.

Broberg is making $4.6M... Frederic is making $575K.

The cap we "saved" by not matching Broberg more accurately allowed for Walman and that was only possible once we knew Kane was out the season (which we did not know when we had to make the decision on Broberg).

We also wouldn't need Walman or Frederic if we kept Broberg and Holloway. I'm sure the team had a reasonable estimate when Kane would be back and could have made it work. So instead of just matching and keeping those two for the next decade, Oilers management lets them go because we're "all in" this year and then goes and spends a 1st and 2nd to replace the players we let go with Frederic maybe playing some playoffs games (doubt he'll be 100%) and Walman for at least another year.

 

[Canovin]

We also wouldn't need Walman or Frederic if we kept Broberg and Holloway. I'm sure the team had a reasonable estimate when Kane would be back and could have made it work. So instead of just matching and keeping those two for the next decade, Oilers management lets them go because we're "all in" this year and then goes and spends a 1st and 2nd to replace the players we let go with Frederic maybe playing some playoffs games (doubt he'll be 100%) and Walman for at least another year.

The Oilers would be over the cap if they kept Broberg and Holloway even if Kane went on LTIR

 

[Draiskull]

Broberg was as good as gone so not too worried about losing him especially at the money he is making.
Holloway stings but him being made of glass makes it a bit easier to digest.

If we can get Frederic extended for cheap then giving up a 2nd for him would be well worth it.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

We also wouldn't need Walman or Frederic if we kept Broberg and Holloway. I'm sure the team had a reasonable estimate when Kane would be back and could have made it work. So instead of just matching and keeping those two for the next decade, Oilerg management lets them go because we're "all in" this year and then goes and spends a 1st and 2nd to replace the players we let go with Frederic maybe playing some playoffs games (doubt he'll be 100%) and Walman for at least another year.

I don’t think Broberg is as good as Walman.

 

[bucks_oil]

We also wouldn't need Walman or Frederic if we kept Broberg and Holloway. I'm sure the team had a reasonable estimate when Kane would be back and could have made it work. So instead of just matching and keeping those two for the next decade, Oilers management lets them go because we're "all in" this year and then goes and spends a 1st and 2nd to replace the players we let go with Frederic maybe playing some playoffs games (doubt he'll be 100%) and Walman for at least another year.

Yes, that's almost exactly what they did. There was some small amount of risk with Broberg and Holloway at those salaries, and there was some significant risk about Kane's return and management decided not to take it.

It all comes down to your assumption about Kane. You say they "had a good idea", but you can't go on that... EVERYTHING management said to the media last summer and EVERYTHING management did last summer suggests they were NOT certain. It is known that they tried to trade him and there were no takers - if they could have traded him, we'd have been able to keep both (that's why Ceci was moved)... but he was untradable. If he was untradable then, he'd have been untradable at the deadline and definitely untradable after the deadline - the team would be non-compliant if he came back.

I don't know why we have to keep going over this in retroscope. Unless they knew for certain he was out till the playoffs (they couldn't) then there was no scenario that let us keep them and be a better team on paper. Keeping them meant finding a partner for Kane or trading Kulak, or someone else making more than $3M and without a NTC (no such thing on our team).

What management did was make the best of a bad situation that they couldn't get out of. The mistake was Skinner - once that happened the rest became a foregone conclusion.

 

[bucks_oil]

The Oilers would be over the cap if they kept Broberg and Holloway even if Kane went on LTIR

Not entirely true: $785K (what we had at game 1) + $1.1M (Brown sent down for Broberg) + $1.1 (Ryan sent down for Holloway) + $5.1 LTIR was just enough to keep them.

That wasn't the issue. The issue was Kane uncertainty and Kane being untradable.

Also... while we are indulging in conspiracy theories (@McShogun99 assumes we knew all along about Kane)... allow me to present my own:

1) Holloberg were lost because of Kane uncertainty.
2) That Kane uncertainty still exists today... so much so that it is the reason that:
a) They were rumored to try trading him again at the deadline (no takers) so that money could be spent on something better
b) McDavid's mystery injury happened around the time Kane started skating - such that he could LTIR if Kane declared himself ready early, and
c) Draisaitl just went down with a mystery injury with 11 games (10 is the LTIR minimum) - so that he can do the same if needed
d) Giving both of our guys a rest down the stretch since the standings don't really matter all that much right now, and
e) Klingberg just LTIR'd with a mystery injury so that his cap (plus our remaining accrued) could cover for Kane should he only be ready at the very end of the reg season...

I think management has given themselves as many outs as possible which they can play depending on how Kane (or Kane's doctor) forces their hand.

 

[McShogun99]

I don’t think Broberg is as good as Walman.

Ask STL fans if they would trade Broberg for Walman.

 

[soothsayer]

Not entirely true: $785K (what we had at game 1) + $1.1M (Brown sent down for Broberg) + $1.1 (Ryan sent down for Holloway) + $5.1 LTIR was just enough to keep them.

That wasn't the issue. The issue was Kane uncertainty and Kane being untradable.

Also... while we are indulging in conspiracy theories (@McShogun99 assumes we knew all along about Kane)... allow me to present my own:

1) Holloberg were lost because of Kane uncertainty.
2) That Kane uncertainty still exists today... so much so that it is the reason that:
a) They were rumored to try trading him again at the deadline (no takers) so that money could be spent on something better
b) McDavid's mystery injury happened around the time Kane started skating - such that he could LTIR if Kane declared himself ready early, and
c) Draisaitl just went down with a mystery injury with 11 games (10 is the LTIR minimum) - so that he can do the same if needed
d) Giving both of our guys a rest down the stretch since the standings don't really matter all that much right now, and
e) Klingberg just LTIR'd with a mystery injury so that his cap (plus our remaining accrued) could cover for Kane should he only be ready at the very end of the reg season...

I think management has given themselves as many outs as possible which they can play depending on how Kane (or Kane's doctor) forces their hand.

To add an (f), the Oilers also left over $3M on the table at trade deadline, which makes roster adjustments a little easier if Kane came back early than if they had to deal with his entire cap hit.

 

[McShogun99]

Not entirely true: $785K (what we had at game 1) + $1.1M (Brown sent down for Broberg) + $1.1 (Ryan sent down for Holloway) + $5.1 LTIR was just enough to keep them.

That wasn't the issue. The issue was Kane uncertainty and Kane being untradable.

Also... while we are indulging in conspiracy theories (@McShogun99 assumes we knew all along about Kane)... allow me to present my own:

1) Holloberg were lost because of Kane uncertainty.
2) That Kane uncertainty still exists today... so much so that it is the reason that:
a) They were rumored to try trading him again at the deadline (no takers) so that money could be spent on something better
b) McDavid's mystery injury happened around the time Kane started skating - such that he could LTIR if Kane declared himself ready early, and
c) Draisaitl just went down with a mystery injury with 11 games (10 is the LTIR minimum) - so that he can do the same if needed
d) Giving both of our guys a rest down the stretch since the standings don't really matter all that much right now, and
e) Klingberg just LTIR'd with a mystery injury so that his cap (plus our remaining accrued) could cover for Kane should he only be ready at the very end of the reg season...

I think management has given themselves as many outs as possible which they can play depending on how Kane (or Kane's doctor) forces their hand.

Here's my conspiracy theory for this. The team knew Kane would be out either all year or at least until his NTC becomes a 16 team list but they had to do this to avoid looking like they were planning on circumventing the cap this early in the year.

As for Holloway and Broberg the reason they didn't match was to teach them a lesson for signing inflated offer sheets after many players on the team took slight discounts to stay. It was to send them a message that if they don't want to play on a contending team then they can go play for a team that's going nowhere for awhile. Unfortunately, this had the opposite effect since both players broke out and STL is right there with Edmonton in the standings.

I have no knowledge or inside info on any of this. It's just what I think. If the team really wanted both players they would have found a way to make it work like every other capped out team has before them.

 

[Canovin]

Not entirely true: $785K (what we had at game 1) + $1.1M (Brown sent down for Broberg) + $1.1 (Ryan sent down for Holloway) + $5.1 LTIR was just enough to keep them.

That wasn't the issue. The issue was Kane uncertainty and Kane being untradable.

Also... while we are indulging in conspiracy theories (@McShogun99 assumes we knew all along about Kane)... allow me to present my own:

1) Holloberg were lost because of Kane uncertainty.
2) That Kane uncertainty still exists today... so much so that it is the reason that:
a) They were rumored to try trading him again at the deadline (no takers) so that money could be spent on something better
b) McDavid's mystery injury happened around the time Kane started skating - such that he could LTIR if Kane declared himself ready early, and
c) Draisaitl just went down with a mystery injury with 11 games (10 is the LTIR minimum) - so that he can do the same if needed
d) Giving both of our guys a rest down the stretch since the standings don't really matter all that much right now, and
e) Klingberg just LTIR'd with a mystery injury so that his cap (plus our remaining accrued) could cover for Kane should he only be ready at the very end of the reg season...

I think management has given themselves as many outs as possible which they can play depending on how Kane (or Kane's doctor) forces their hand.

It’s possible but the Oilers would be a couple players short. Not worth it considering these guys put themselves before the team. Both could have gotten paid down either way down the road

 

[Canovin]

Ask STL fans if they would trade Broberg for Walman.

Oilers fans need to ask St. Louis fans for validation?

Walman has 40 points in 65 games. Broberg has 29 points in 67 games. The Oilers hit a home run with Walman

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Ask STL fans if they would trade Broberg for Walman.

I don’t think this is the gotcha moment you think it is.

 

[McShogun99]

Oilers fans need to ask St. Louis fans for validation?

Walman has 40 points in 65 games. Broberg has 29 points in 67 games. The Oilers hit a home run with Walman

He's also 6 years older and played on the top unit PP in San Jose. I'm not saying he's a bad player but there's more to a player then points and Broberg has already passed Walman already.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He's also 6 years older and played on the top unit PP in San Jose. I'm not saying he's a bad player but there's more to a player then points and Broberg has already passed Walman already.

No he hasn’t.

You can’t understand the difference between better and more valuable in a trade.

What does broberg do that’s better? In zone defense? Nope.

 

[syz]

Broberg still has the highest PDO on the Blues. Oilers goaltending would be exposing him hard and we'd all be pissed that they matched.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Came for the Frederic updates and stay for the compounding bad management decision making.

Wow. Reading Frederic is not even skating after his 7:10 toi twirl in LA. Now being projected as a maybe early playoff return.

I really liked the player type and how he looked in that 7:10 toi. But this troublesome injury type and erratic recovery timeline was most def a high risk reward bet by Oiler management. Further enflamed by the buy-high assets used to acquire and maximize retention including essentially taking on a cap dump Max Jones who didn't work out in Boston.

Jackson and Bowman who like to talk about their craft in terms of probability have paid their way into a not zero probability this deal shakes out as Bakersfield Condors player Max Jones and unsigned Euro Petr Hauser for 2nd and 4th round picks, prospect RD Wanner and draft rights to Lachance.

Hope there's a path to see at least a one-legged Trent Frederic this playoff and reasonable probability plan to re-sign an American who's only played in the North-East U.S. with family and friend connections on playoff teams in St. Louis and Florida.

 

[Spawn]

Trading a 2nd rounder for Frederick even if he had been 100% healthy was a laughable overpay. The fact that we might get 3 or 4 games out of him because he was injured when he was traded to us is one of the most embarrassing fumbles this organization has had in years.

 

[Spawn]

Came for the Frederic updates and stay for the compounding bad management decision making.

Wow. Reading Frederic is not even skating after his 7:10 toi twirl in LA. Now being projected as a maybe early playoff return.

I really liked the player type and how he looked in that 7:10 toi. But this troublesome injury type and erratic recovery timeline was most def a high risk reward bet by Oiler management. Further enflamed by the buy-high assets used to acquire and maximize retention including essentially taking on a cap dump Max Jones who didn't work out in Boston.

Jackson and Bowman who like to talk about their craft in terms of probability have paid their way into a not zero probability this deal shakes out as Bakersfield Condors player Max Jones and unsigned Euro Petr Hauser for 2nd and 4th round picks, prospect RD Wanner and draft rights to Lachance.

Hope there's a path to see at least a one-legged Trent Frederic this playoff and reasonable probability plan to re-sign an American who's only played in the North-East U.S. with family and friend connections on playoff teams in St. Louis and Florida.

This assumes we would even want to re-sign him.

Prior to his injury he was having a pathetic season in Boston. Playing at the level of a bad 4th liner.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Ask STL fans if they would trade Broberg for Walman.

I don’t give a f*** what St Louis fans think. I think that if I’m contending for a cup in 2025 I would prefer Walman in my lineup over Broberg

 

[McShogun99]

I don’t give a f*** what St Louis fans think. I think that if I’m contending for a cup in 2025 I would prefer Walman in my lineup over Broberg

I guess we don't need to worry about contending from 2026 to 2035 since this is our "all in" year. Maybe Walman signs an extension with us and gives us a good 4-5 years but our defence is looking really bad for 26-27 with Ekholm, Walman and Kulak becoming UFA's.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I guess we don't need to worry about contending from 2026 to 2035 since this is our "all in" year. Maybe Walman signs an extension with us and gives us a good 4-5 years but our defence is looking really bad for 26-27 with Ekholm, Walman and Kulak becoming UFA's.

We will be ready to move on from Kulak by then. I suspect Ekholm resigns. Who knows with Walman.