Trent Frederic

[Niten Ichi Ryu]

The Frederic deal was likely verbally agreed to before his feb.25 injury, only a couple days before the deadline. Mr.Clean should've bargained a better deal though for damaged goods. He's been with us for a month now, yet still 1-2 weeks away. And when he returns, there will be rust and maybe not even enough runway to shake it off before round 1.

But, if he can play his role at maximum effort, he absolutely will make a significant impact in the playoffs. I guarantee the Kings gameplan, seeing the injuries to McDavid and Draisaitl, will be to hit everything that moves. Usually Evander Kane is their menace, but if he's not ready, then Frederic is a very ideal replacement.

In saying that, if Trent isnt ready before game 1, Stan Bowman's tenure as the Oiler's GM, not even a year in, is a complete failure and absolute embarassment. The whole league is laughing at him/us right now over the Blues debacle; although i still say Skinner and Arvidsson will surprise us all and have a much more significant impact than Holloway and Foegele last post season

My money is on Trent making a Godzilla-like entrance in the playoffs, and having an impact similar to Zack Kassian vs San Jose in 2017

 

[CycloneSweep]

The Frederic deal was likely verbally agreed to before his feb.25 injury, only a couple days before the deadline. Mr.Clean should've bargained a better deal though for damaged goods. He's been with us for a month now, yet still 1-2 weeks away. And when he returns, there will be rust and maybe not even enough runway to shake it off before round 1.

But, if he can play his role at maximum effort, he absolutely will make a significant impact in the playoffs. I guarantee the Kings gameplan, seeing the injuries to McDavid and Draisaitl, will be to hit everything that moves. Usually Evander Kane is their menace, but if he's not ready, then Frederic is a very ideal replacement.

In saying that, if Trent isnt ready before game 1, Stan Bowman's tenure as the Oiler's GM, not even a year in, is a complete failure and absolute embarassment. The whole league is laughing at him/us right now over the Blues debacle; although i still say Skinner and Arvidsson will surprise us all and have a much more significant impact than Holloway and Foegele last post season

My money is on Trent making a Godzilla-like entrance in the playoffs, and having an impact similar to Zack Kassian vs San Jose in 2017

That’s absolutely massive expectations for a guy who hasn’t even taken a full skate with a team he hasn’t played a second for coming off a few month long injury.
The trade is already bad due to just throwing assets away for an injured player and not even using that cap.
That said if he comes in and suddenly is his best self and not the guy he has been all season, it’s an acceptable trade.
He’s walking as a ufa though. That’s almost guatenteed.

 

[Tarus]

Stan sold Jackson a bill of goods in his job interviews. And we have come to learn that Jackson is in way over his head.

You think Jackson did interviews?

It's pretty obvious that Jackson had his idea of a dream team from when he was an agent, which included Knoblauch as coach, and Bowman as GM

 

[Drivesaitl]

The timeline was never a week or 2 when they traded for him. It was always "at least a few weeks away", and high ankle sprains are simply that, a waiting game for symptoms to resolve so a timeline is far from definitive or precise. There's a reason why players can play through them because its largely symptoms that limit performance, not the actual structural stability and integrity of the ankle. I've said it many times and I'll say it again, but I'll never understand why people have such strong opinions on here regarding medical topics when clearly they have zero knowledge or experience with sports injuries outside of what their google search told them.

I have zero doubt in my mind that Frederic could play today if the playoffs began today. However, why wouldn't you give him as much time as possible for symptoms to improve so that he hopefully feels good for a potentially long playoff grind. There's just absolutely no reason to rush him back.

Maybe you could tell the board 20 more times that you're an expert at specific player injuries when the exact injury isn't even disclosed. You're surmising as well.

Say it 5 more times. Maybe we'll care.

The frustration involved in the comments is that the Oilers gave up assets and to not even have Frederic in regular season. Also that the OIlers gave an apparently false timeline whereas the other timeline, the independent one, was seemingly more accurate.

You have "zero doubt in your mind" that Frederic would be playing right now if its playoffs. you an insider? Or you guessing like the rest of us?

 

[McFlyingV]

Maybe you could tell the board 20 more times that you're an expert at specific player injuries when the exact injury isn't even disclosed. You're surmising as well.

Say it 5 more times. Maybe we'll care.

The frustration involved in the comments is that the Oilers gave up assets and to not even have Frederic in regular season. Also that the OIlers gave an apparently false timeline whereas the other timeline, the independent one, was seemingly more accurate.

You have "zero doubt in your mind" that Frederic would be playing right now if its playoffs. you an insider? Or you guessing like the rest of us?

Ankle injury and mechanism is pretty straight forward. If it's not a high ankle sprain then go ahead and tell me what it is. Keep saying how they keep chasing a carrot and make it even more obvious you have no clue at all how injuries or how rehabbing an injury works.

Just come out and say you don't understand how timelines work with injuries instead of calling one a false timeline and one an independent timelines. Injury timelines are a range and can vary significantly for the same injury. There's also something called setbacks in rehab that can't be accounted for, and progress is rarely linear.

Don't need to be an insider to know that a player can plan through a high ankle sprain with enough pain management tools. Also don't need to be an insider to know there are so many examples of players doing it (some on this very team) to know that if the playoffs started today he almost without a doubt would be playing if he wanted to.

But go off and continue to cry about the regular season which this trade quite obviously wasn't even meant to address.

 

[McFlyingV]

What's funny is that we didn't even need to retain salary at this point, as he's likely not even playing games in the regular season. This front office got completely played on this deal.

I mean if you don't get the retention and he is able to return then you have to trade a roster player to be cap compliant. I'm also pretty sure he wanted more cap to make another move but failed in that regard so fault him on not getting that one more move done.

The amount of absolutes that you guys think recovery from an injury involves is hilarious. It's like you guys think a guy gets injured and the medical and rehab staff can say you'll be back playing exactly 27 days from now. Not at all how it works, not even close to reality tbh.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ankle injury and mechanism is pretty straight forward. If it's not a high ankle sprain then go ahead and tell me what it is. Keep saying how they keep chasing a carrot and make it even more obvious you have no clue at all how injuries or how rehabbing an injury works.

Just come out and say you don't understand how timelines work with injuries instead of calling one a false timeline and one an independent timelines. Injury timelines are a range and can vary significantly for the same injury. There's also something called setbacks in rehab that can't be accounted for, and progress is rarely linear.

Don't need to be an insider to know that a player can plan through a high ankle sprain with enough pain management tools. Also don't need to be an insider to know there are so many examples of players doing it (some on this very team) to know that if the playoffs started today he almost without a doubt would be playing if he wanted to.

But go off and continue to cry about the regular season which this trade quite obviously wasn't even meant to address.

Blah lecture blah

You saying you know 100% that Frederic could be playing right now is made up .period

hey the lotto is today. Got any numbers?

 

[McFlyingV]

Blah lecture blah

You saying you know 100% that Frederic could be playing right now is made up .period

hey the lotto is today. Got any numbers?

Blah Blah I know nothing about how injuries work, but I'll still give my opinion. Team must have just been lying about his timeline to save face according to you.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Blah Blah I know nothing about how injuries work, but I'll still give my opinion. Team must have just been lying about his timeline to save face according to you.

My opinion is you don't know Frederic could play today. Thats a very basic point. You don't know. Admit it.

You stating matter of fact that Frederic could be playing today is conjecture on your part.

 

[McFlyingV]

My opinion is you don't know Frederic could play today. Thats a very basic point. You don't know. Admit it.

You stating matter of fact that Frederic could be playing today is conjecture on your part.

Assuming it's a high ankle sprain its really not. Can and should/would are very different. Its pretty obvious they're doing what is best for his playoff performance longevity.

But go off again about how the organization lied about his timeline or didn't know his timeline because that's conjecture on your part.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Assuming it's a high ankle sprain its really not. Can and should/would are very different. Its pretty obvious they're doing what is best for his playoff performance longevity.

But go off again about how the organization lied about his timeline or didn't know his timeline because that's conjecture on your part.

Sure its conjecture. None of us know for sure. If the org knew this than its even a worse transaction than appeared to be the case on TDL.

"Assuming" hmmm. Thanks for admitting. That does mean you DON'T know Frederic could be playing today. As I stated.

Its what I stated several posts ago the exact nature of injury wasn't disclosed, thus you can't determine timeline.

 

[McFlyingV]

Sure its conjecture. None of us know for sure. If the org knew this than its even a worse transaction than appeared to be the case on TDL.

You still continue to talk in absolutes which was the entirety of the point I was making. Recovery timelines aren't exact. Players can have setbacks in rehab, and in fact they're very common.

But setting that aside, explain how its a bad deal if he doesn't play until playoffs. Obviously the cap retention is what you'll point to. But remember we're not working in absolutes with an injury. If you don't know if he'll be back for regular season games you can't just assume his cap will be LTIR'd. At the same time we don't know what other deals were on the table, close, or attempted that the extra cap space may have been intended for. You can criticize Bowman for not getting another deal done on that basis, but you can't exactly criticize him making sure he didn't get himself into cap trouble if Frederic does return in the season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You still continue to talk in absolutes which was the entirety of the point I was making. Recovery timelines aren't exact. Players can have setbacks in rehab, and in fact they're very common.

But setting that aside, explain how its a bad deal if he doesn't play until playoffs. Obviously the cap retention is what you'll point to. But remember we're not working in absolutes with an injury. If you don't know if he'll be back for regular season games you can't just assume his cap will be LTIR'd. At the same time we don't know what other deals were on the table, close, or attempted that the extra cap space may have been intended for. You can criticize Bowman for not getting another deal done on that basis, but you can't exactly criticize him making sure he didn't get himself into cap trouble if Frederic does return in the season.

You were the one that decided to come into the thread to call out what was just normal discussion. You then added fabrication to what you were alledgedly calling out. To wit, again, you don't know Frederic could play today and you ASSUMED (your own word) You knew exactly what the injury is,

Already made my point. enjoy the game tonight.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Man that sure was a great TDL for Bowman huh?

 

[McFlyingV]

You were the one that decided to come into the thread to call out what was just normal discussion. You then added fabrication to what you were alledgedly calling out. To wit, again, you don't know Frederic could play today and you ASSUMED (your own word) You knew exactly what the injury is,

Already made my point. enjoy the game tonight.

Normal discussion isn't posters claiming management lied about his timeline. That's just some weird conspiracy shit or complete lack of understanding on the topic of injuries.

Don't get me wrong I don't think current management has done all that great of a job, but I'd at least pick valid reasons to shit on them. For example not upgrading goaltending, or letting a player like Holloway walk, or NMC's on players this summer. Not some theory about them knowing something and lying about it.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I sure hope that when he returns that he will be healthy. Adding him and Kane makes our forward group much tougher but our D is pretty soft overall IMO.

 

[FlameChampion]

What's funny is that we didn't even need to retain salary at this point, as he's likely not even playing games in the regular season. This front office got completely played on this deal.

To be honest, I don’t think Lachance was going to sign so probably didn’t make much difference on the double retention. Not sure how much they paid for the initial retention but it’s pretty standard on a UFA.

That being said, spending decent assets on a rental who likely won’t play much isn’t my thing. Hopefully the Oilers run is longer than some are expecting.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Normal discussion isn't posters claiming management lied about his timeline. That's just some weird conspiracy shit or complete lack of understanding on the topic of injuries.

Don't get me wrong I don't think current management has done all that great of a job, but I'd at least pick valid reasons to shit on them. For example not upgrading goaltending, or letting a player like Holloway walk, or NMC's on players this summer. Not some theory about them knowing something and lying about it.

Change your username to Lectures R Us and people will know what to expect.

 

[rboomercat90]

I mean if you don't get the retention and he is able to return then you have to trade a roster player to be cap compliant. I'm also pretty sure he wanted more cap to make another move but failed in that regard so fault him on not getting that one more move done.

The amount of absolutes that you guys think recovery from an injury involves is hilarious. It's like you guys think a guy gets injured and the medical and rehab staff can say you'll be back playing exactly 27 days from now. Not at all how it works, not even close to reality tbh.

The point here, that you spectacularly keep missing, is that the Oilers are in a free fall right now and frankly it had started long before the trade deadline, and could desperately use somebody right now not at some point in the playoffs. A couple more losses in a row and that playoff spot will be in real jeopardy. That we never see Frederic at all in an Oilers jersey playing a game gets more real with every passing week. It was a horrendously bad idea to spend the few assets we had on this guy.

 

[McFlyingV]

Change your username to Lectures R Us and people will know what to expect.

Hilarious you of all people talking about lecturing people.

 

[McFlyingV]

The point here, that you spectacularly keep missing, is that the Oilers are in a free fall right now and frankly it had started long before the trade deadline, and could desperately use somebody right now not at some point in the playoffs. A couple more losses in a row and that playoff spot will be in real jeopardy. That we never see Frederic at all in an Oilers jersey playing a game gets more real with every passing week. It was a horrendously bad idea to spend the few assets we had on this guy.

Talk about overdramatic. The Oilers are 5-4-1 in their last 10 and have an 8 point lead over the teams that could potentially knock them out of a playoff spot.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Hilarious you of all people talking about lecturing people.

Your every post in this thread as per usual is condescending. You do you.

 

[McFlyingV]

Your every post in this thread as per usual is condescending. You do you.

Always the victim. It's not like your every post in response hasn't been the same after I tried to have an actual discussion with you. Do yourself a favour and block me like you said you were going to do months ago and we won't ever have to converse again. You can go on with your conspiracy theories about management, and I'll continue to call out the doomsday posts about injuries by people who think they need to have an opinion about everything, even when they haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Always the victim. It's not like your every post in response hasn't been the same after I tried to have an actual discussion with you. Do yourself a favour and block me like you said you were going to do months ago and we won't ever have to converse again. You can go on with your conspiracy theories about management and I'll continue to call out the doomsday posts about injuries by people who think they need to have an opinion about everything even when they haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about.

Calling somebody a liar and responding with insults in every other post is a way to have a discussion. Not sure what got into you this season. You've been the most abrasive in exchanges all season.



Done again with you.

 

[McFlyingV]

Calling somebody a liar in every other post is a way to have a discussion. Not sure what got into you this season. You've been the most abrasive in exchanges all season.

Done again with you.

I called out a narrative about the organization that has no evidence or basis in reality.

Don't worry this organization does enough things wrong that you don't need to either make up or make uninformed narratives to crap on them.