Every team wants a guy like him, including the team he's currently on.
Value of: Trent Frederic
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What on earth would the Bruins want with Mathieu Joseph in a trade for Frederic?
Joseph is less productive, smaller, more expensive, and doesn't have the same premium positional flexibility to play Center or Wing effectively. If that's the deal, Joseph wouldn't be a piece to be added to...he'd be an add-on to something much more valuable as the main piece.
Yeah. I just don't really see the Bruins wanting to move a guy like Frederic unless someone is offering a legit skilled Top-6 Forward on a cheap/ELC contract type deal. Which, only a year out from UFA...i don't think many teams are in a position to make that swing unless they're supremely confident they can get Frederic locked up long-term.
Like...i'd love to add Frederic for the Canucks. Stick him in the middle with Garland on the 3rd line and you've got a monster 5v5 production unit. I tend to look at players like that as bigtime "value proposition" assets. In a league where there is only so much Powerplay time to go around (really 5 guys per team get a significant crack at it)...getting guys who can produce at a top-end rate at even strength is enormously valuable. Especially since it tends to suppress their contract demands because the overall production isn't there.
But as with the majority of teams that would love to add a guy like Frederic...i'm not sure the Canucks have anything that would make any sense to offer to Boston for him. I'd gladly offer up Hoglander...but i'm not sure that really does much for the Bruins. He's at least cheaper and the goal production is there. But smaller, with no Center flexibility...i don't know that the marginal skill advantage would be anywhere in the ballpark to get things moving.
Buffalo certainly seems like a team that could get something moving there. They've got skilled Forward prospects and young players coming out their ears. Way more than they could ever incorporate together into a coherent roster. It'd hurt more than BUF fans would probably like, but they do have the sort of "on the cusp" NHL-ready skilled prospects to form the basis for the only sort of deal that would make sense to swap Frederic for.
I think Toronto might have the pieces to get things started, but i don't think they'd be willing to part with them for a 3rd liner that close to UFA.
Columbus probably have the bits to make a deal, but not really the sort of team that feels like they're necessarily in a position to be adding impending UFA pieces like that to bolster and fill out the bottom of roster per se.
A lot of other teams that i think would come calling...but just don't seem to have the right piece to swap.
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I don't think he's shown enough offense to be considered an upgrade offensively on Frederic just yet. He certainly has a higher ceiling a great pedigree, but it would suck to make that trade only to get less offense.
Lysell passing the puck may be an indication that he is in need of a wellness check. No one loves his own ability to stick handle at high speed into no space like Lysell at the U20s.
Exactly. Habs would want him too. But Boston won't trade him within the division (at least they shouldn't)
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Brazeau is going to take jvr’s net front presence on the pp next year.
But you summed up Frederic pretty well.
Seems like fans of every team would like him but don’t know what to offer haha. Which is pretty much where I fall.
Not sure the Bruins will trade him though, pretty versatile forward, checks a lot of boxes.
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At least Lysell has some outstanding NHL quality skills. Can you say the same about Rosen?
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Yeah, I think the B's say no there.
The one devils would hate would be Mercer for Frederic + Ullmark (I'd assume with an extension) as a base. Fill as necessary.
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Interesting. If debrusk leaves, Kakko certainly plays a reliable 2-way game and is a big body winger.
I’d probably do the deal as a NYR fan. Frederic was on Sathers radar for years too.
Question is with age/pedigree do the Bruins feel like putting Kakko with talent and giving him a larger role unlocks his offensive game???
It’s not like there’s nothing to work with there, score 40 even strength points a year ago. Was great when he came back from injury, and then went cold in the playoffs again….
A lot would depend on how bruins brass rate him in terms of offensive potential when paired with their guys.
He should signed a cheap 2 year deal as well……
As a NYR fan, I say yes.
A 4th line of Edstrom-Frederic-Goodrow/Rempe would be solid fun to watch and provide a bunch of hits.
Seeing Kakko finally open up offensively with the B’s talent would be a tough pill to swallow if it happens though.
If not, they get a good reliable 2-way 3rd liner.
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Lysell was 15th in the AHL in assists per game (min. 30 assists). All except 2 (Clarke & Stankoven) of the 14 players ahead of him were older than him. Not too shabby for a guy who is unwilling to pass the puck. Please share more insight on a player you watched play 7 games a year and a half ago. I'm dying to learn more about him. Let me help you a bit:
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Thank you.
He probably wants to end up with one of his Tkachuk buddies.
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You do know he is primarily a playmaker, right?
Obviously he did a lot of that stuff but he also set up Rosen for like 90% of his goals in WJC
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I always thought it sounded more like the name of some extremely minor Central/Eastern European duke or petty noble or something.
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Two U20’s, a U18 and a bunch on the AHL package… but take the low hanging fruit and assume all of the beef is with his U20 performances. I’ve actually watched him more with Providence with the AHL package, and the guy still still handle himself into no space on the regular. great grown this year, still saw him getting stripped of pucks and having goals scored against him go the other way because he wouldn’t move the puck promptly.
And yes, his 10 A1’s at 5-on-5 this year was good for 4th in the AHL for guys under 21, behind Sameskevich, Wright, and Stankoven while tied with Del Bell Beluze and Lambert. Good on him for starting to get more of his linemates involved. There is an impressive puck transition player who could be even more productive with how he uses his talents.
Anyway, back to the topic of Frederic: he is the sort of mid-line depth guy most teams yearn for and the Bruins seems to consistently draft and develop. It seems silly to move him unless there is a very specific piece the Bruins would want in return.
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