Player Discussion Trent Frederic III

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TEMPE, Ariz. — Some thoughts and shots while waiting for the Bruins to play Friday night for the first time at Mullett Arena, the 5,000-seat music box disguised as an NHL rink for Gary Bettman’s nomadic Coyotes. Just how many years (40?) are these guys going to wander in the desert?

Watching Trent Frederic blossom into a legit NHL forward, as a right winger, is turning into yet another of the Bruins fun subplots in 2022-23.

“Freddy,” forever a center, was drafted prior to his freshman year at Wisconsin as a potential top-six pivot. He may one day get his chance in the middle with the Bruins, but it won’t be this season, and that’s fine. By coach Jim Montgomery’s eye, he has solidified a job on his off wing.

For a centerman, any wing is the off wing, of course, but it’s clear the 24-year-old son of a St. Louis roofer isn’t caught up in job description or positioning.

“Not really, I don’t,” a smiling Frederic said late Wednesday night when asked if he misses playing in the middle. “Honestly, wherever is fine with me. It’s hard to be a center in this league, and especially on this team, and I like to be down low in the D-zone sometimes, helping out. So, yeah, all good.”

Frederic is a vastly different, more confident player under Montgomery than he was under Bruce Cassidy, though it took some time. Remember, Frederic was a lineup scratch opening night in October, following a tepid training camp and preseason.

“Trent’s offensive pop is just blossoming,” noted Montgomery following the win in Denver. “I think slowly but surely, from the first game of the season, where he didn’t play, he’s gotten better and better. And I think his confidence has grown. I think what we’re seeing now is him getting close to his ceiling [of potential], and being on that off side has been a real benefit to him.”

On the right, said Montgomery, the 6-foot-3-inch Frederic “can make better plays to the middle” and can carry the puck back through the neutral zone and into the offensive end.

“And another thing is,” added a laughing Montgomery, “I didn’t know he had a one-timer!”

That big shot, off a feed from Hall, provided the 3-0 lead over the Avalanche at 6:24 of the third. Hall’s dish came from the left wing, with the left-shooting Frederic drifting from the right side into the middle. Boom. As his confidence has grown, Frederic is more shot-ready, eager and willing to put down the hammer.

“Monty’s put a lot of confidence in me, just kind of let me play,” said Frederic. “That relationship’s been really nice. And I’ve always had a lot of fun playing with [Coyle], he makes it really easy. And Hallsy is just an unbelievable player, so it’s been really nice.”
 

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Frederic last 84 games basically full season 14 goals +24

He went 29th in round 1 and there are 18 guys drafted ahead of him I would NOT take over him

Buhhhh Sweeney can’t draft
Funny I just went to the 2016 1st round draft on hockeydb and counted the players from Freddy at 29 down to 1st overall.
I came up with 18 as well without looking up every single player I'm not too knowledgeable about.
 
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He is "getting it," and I am very happy about it. He is reading plays correctly and going to the right spots to fulfill his assignments. It is like night and day. He is better in the neutral zone and offensive zone than the D zone, but one thing at a time.

It occurs to me that the "Bruce neutered him" crowd may well have had it backwards. Cassidy saw him as an agitator with average game and pushed him into the agitator role before he had his skating game and mental game up to NHL level. That makes me pause for thought about both Cassidy and TF.

I also have to apologize to TF for calling him a dumb player on several occasions. He made dumb plays, but that does not mean he is a dumb player.
 

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Funny I just went to the 2016 1st round draft on hockeydb and counted the players from Freddy at 29 down to 1st overall.
I came up with 18 as well without looking up every single player I'm not too knowledgeable about.
I could argue Kunin and Fabro - but I wanted Fabro over McAvoy and Lindgren at 29

Clearly I would have F’d up big time at 14 😂

Kunin is kind of a fav of mine but he kind of is what he is I think - Frederic getting better

Frederic concern is all playoff with me - the pace which I think he can handle and being able to not get baited into retaliation plays where he gets the only penalty

Monty I’m sure will tell him be careful coming to aid in playoffs / understand there will be a time for payback - and you can always tell the guy it’s coming in time I’m going to light you up

His speed is so much better I’d like to see him rock a few guys open ice head on
 

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It’s always nice when guys start to reach their potential at this level. Let’s hope it continues.

Frederic is one of the players I thought would benefit most from Monty. Glad to see it come to frution
 

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I could argue Kunin and Fabro - but I wanted Fabro over McAvoy and Lindgren at 29

Clearly I would have F’d up big time at 14 😂

Kunin is kind of a fav of mine but he kind of is what he is I think - Frederic getting better

Frederic concern is all playoff with me - the pace which I think he can handle and being able to not get baited into retaliation plays where he gets the only penalty

Monty I’m sure will tell him be careful coming to aid in playoffs / understand there will be a time for payback - and you can always tell the guy it’s coming in time I’m going to light you up

His speed is so much better I’d like to see him rock a few guys open ice head on
I love Kunin, but you're right in that he is what he is - a bottom/middle 6 player who hits and provides energy....I can only imagine what this board would think about getting a bottom 6 player 15th overall considering how they felt about us getting Frederic 29.

Maybe the funniest thing about all the flack given to Sweeney for drafting Freddy where he went is that he's ranked 35th in points from that draft.....if we drafted players only on points he is drafted 6 spots early.
 
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I love Kunin, but you're right in that he is what he is - a bottom/middle 6 player who hits and provides energy....I can only imagine what this board would think about getting a bottom 6 player 15th overall considering how they felt about us getting Frederic 29.

Maybe the funniest thing about all the flack given to Sweeney for drafting Freddy where he went is that he's ranked 35th in points from that draft.....if we drafted players only on points he is drafted 6 spots early.
And we have Trent Frederic part deux coming right behind him in John Beecher.
 

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And we have Trent Frederic part deux coming right behind him in John Beecher.
Off topic from Freddy, but I get the feeling that Beecher is going to be a great complimentary player who won't put up points in the AHL, but once playing with better players in the NHL his game will really come around.
 
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Off topic from Freddy, but I get the feeling that Beecher is going to be a great complimentary player who won't put up points in the AHL, but once playing with better players in the NHL his game will really come around.
He’s going to play in the league a long time. Big guys who can skate like that and are responsible defensively always have a job. I think he has a much higher ceiling than that, just needs to get his legs under him. Like Freddy, he’s maligned already because he’s a first round pick, despite the fact that a pick that late doesn’t have anywhere near the hit rate of a top-15 pick. He’s already become a bit of a prospect whipping boy, just like Freddy.
 

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I have brought current in-season effectiveness grades back to this guy's thread, because it feels like the right thing to do while he is the guy that the team is getting the most from. the allstar team thing they have going on wasn't quite this intense a dozen years back, but it was really close. this should work.

MAR 96 - BER 117 - PAS 98
HAL 91 - ZAC 95 - DeB 105
FOL 98 - COY 104 - FRE 125
GRE 79 - NOS 95 - SMI 75
LIN 117 - McA 99
GRZ 104 - CAR 108
FOR 105 - CLI 99
ULL 99
SWA 73

KRE 71 - LAU 70*
REI 70 - ZBO 64 - STR 42 - REN -235*
KIN 114*

They should get Renouf back up here. 235?!?!?!?!

I am loving these made up stats.
 

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They should get Renouf back up here. 235?!?!?!?!

I am loving these made up stats.
That’s a -235 lol

I have brought current in-season effectiveness grades back to this guy's thread, because it feels like the right thing to do while he is the guy that the team is getting the most from. the allstar team thing they have going on wasn't quite this intense a dozen years back, but it was really close. this should work.

MAR 96 - BER 117 - PAS 98
HAL 91 - ZAC 95 - DeB 105
FOL 98 - COY 104 - FRE 125
GRE 79 - NOS 95 - SMI 75
LIN 117 - McA 99
GRZ 104 - CAR 108
FOR 105 - CLI 99
ULL 99
SWA 73

KRE 71 - LAU 70*
REI 70 - ZBO 64 - STR 42 - REN -235*
KIN 114*
I don’t know how you can have Pasta as a 98 and Frederic a 125. He’s 8th in the league in expected goals. That’s gotta be broken.
 
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I have brought current in-season effectiveness grades back to this guy's thread, because it feels like the right thing to do while he is the guy that the team is getting the most from. the allstar team thing they have going on wasn't quite this intense a dozen years back, but it was really close. this should work.

MAR 96 - BER 117 - PAS 98
HAL 91 - ZAC 95 - DeB 105
FOL 98 - COY 104 - FRE 125
GRE 79 - NOS 95 - SMI 75
LIN 117 - McA 99
GRZ 104 - CAR 108
FOR 105 - CLI 99
ULL 99
SWA 73

KRE 71 - LAU 70*
REI 70 - ZBO 64 - STR 42 - REN -235*
KIN 114*

Idk, maybe dump the bum d-man on the 1st pair that's only at 99 for a pick at the deadline or something

Anyway back to Freddy. I got threads mixed up
 

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He is "getting it," and I am very happy about it. He is reading plays correctly and going to the right spots to fulfill his assignments. It is like night and day. He is better in the neutral zone and offensive zone than the D zone, but one thing at a time.

It occurs to me that the "Bruce neutered him" crowd may well have had it backwards. Cassidy saw him as an agitator with average game and pushed him into the agitator role before he had his skating game and mental game up to NHL level. That makes me pause for thought about both Cassidy and TF.

I also have to apologize to TF for calling him a dumb player on several occasions. He made dumb plays, but that does not mean he is a dumb player.
Nice post and spot on with the Bruce assessment! Hoping Freddy continues his good play
 

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I read somewhere that he worked hard on his skating this past off-season. It shows.
Helps when he's not carrying the weight of getting healthy scratched after the next play that doesn't go his way.

There's less hesitation in his game this year - makes everything he does quicker.
 

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He is "getting it," and I am very happy about it. He is reading plays correctly and going to the right spots to fulfill his assignments. It is like night and day. He is better in the neutral zone and offensive zone than the D zone, but one thing at a time.

It occurs to me that the "Bruce neutered him" crowd may well have had it backwards. Cassidy saw him as an agitator with average game and pushed him into the agitator role before he had his skating game and mental game up to NHL level. That makes me pause for thought about both Cassidy and TF.

I also have to apologize to TF for calling him a dumb player on several occasions. He made dumb plays, but that does not mean he is a dumb player.
In the AHL he was dominant physically and he had some success early on in Boston playing similarly.

Cassidy neutered him by getting him to second guess himself with benching and healthy scratches in hopes that he would learn to think his way through the game. It bled over into the early part of this season too.

Montgomery just put him in a spot, let him go make some mistakes, take some chances, and play with some talent. There are options for him on the ice now, where before the only acceptable option was the one in Cassidy's head. Guessing at it was a high stakes game for a young forward.
 
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Helps when he's not carrying the weight of getting healthy scratched after the next play that doesn't go his way.

There's less hesitation in his game this year - makes everything he does quicker.
Sure, or maybe he was responsible for his play and realized he needed to eliminate the bad penalties.

He played 60 games last season and a missed time due to a shoulder, concussion and COVID. So I don't think he was a healthy scratch many nights.

Interestingly enough, he's been a healthy scratch 3 times this year..
 
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