Value of: Travis Konecny

[The Madrigal]

Just turned 26 in March. Coming off of a career high in goals with 31 and points with 61 in only 60 games. TK has two years remaining on his contract at 5.5 million.

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[JRichard]

Perfect sell high guy.
Haters will point out lack of playoff production…

Really, whats not to like?

give me 2 young prospects i like (c and rd por favor) + a 2nd rounder and he’s yours to enjoy. Hope he wins a Cup.

Hoping for Mike Richards type return: Schenn, Simmonds and a 2nd.
Hoping for B Schenn type return: Frost and Farabee
Hoping for Carter type return: Voracek, (1st) Couturier and (3rd) Cousins

 

[The Madrigal]

Perfect sell high guy.
Haters will point out lack of playoff production…

Really, whats not to like?

give me 2 young prospects i like (c and rd por favor) + a 2nd rounder and he’s yours to enjoy. Hope he wins a Cup.

Hoping for Mike Richards type return: Schenn, Simmonds and a 2nd.
Hoping for B Schenn type return: Frost and Farabee
Hoping for Carter type return: Voracek, (1st) Couturier and (3rd) Cousins

I love TK but they aren't going to be ready to win under his current contract and he will likely be pushing 30 when it's go time even if they were to bring them back.

I don't think they can get a Richards/Carter/Schenn type deal for him. However, I think any conversation would have to start with a late first round pick.

 

[JRichard]

I love TK but they aren't going to be ready to win under his current contract and he will likely be pushing 30 when it's go time even if they were to bring them back.

I don't think they can get a Richards/Carter/Schenn type deal for him. However, I think any conversation would have to start with a late first round pick.

3 guys were 26 when traded.
Schenn’s production really similar to TK and got 2 mid firsts (and cap dump).

 

[The Madrigal]

3 guys were 26 when traded.
Schenn’s production really similar to TK and got 2 mid firsts (and cap dump).

Carter and Richards were better players.

As far as the Schenn deal goes. First off, Hextall made a great trade. Second he took back a really bad contract with two years remaining in Jori Lehtera. That was a big factor in the trade. I think a first and future 2nd OR 3rd line FWD is fair for TK.

 

[Bond]

Might be a good guy for the Flames to target if they get some futures in the offseason or Flyers want to re-tool.

 

[Wattsburgh]

If he wasn’t on IR during trade deadline this year then he would be a Penguin over Granlund in my opinion.

I think it went JT Miller(talks), Travis Konecny (plan B), then to all of sudden panicking to sign Granlund.

 

[BardownMagic]

Broberg
1st 2024
1st 2025
2nd 2025
Yammamoto
Campbell
Kulak

TK (50%)
Provorov
Hart

 

[BKarchitect]

Quietly underrated season. Awesome production given the cast around him. He’s got his flaws but I think he can maintain that pace and be an 80 point offensive spark plug moving forward especially if his situation improves (by trade or internally). He’s a guy I’d be looking to buy in on even if the cost is rightfully pretty steep. His even strength scoring rate and puck possession metrics were awesome and those are signs of a guy who has more pure production capacity left in the locker.

Broberg
1st 2024
1st 2025
2nd 2025
Yammamoto
Campbell
Kulak

TK (50%)
Provorov
Hart

Little reason for the Flyers to package him with a Hart or Provorov - I think that neuters the return that each could achieve individually. Zero chance the Flyers put all three in one trade together and the best single asset they get back is Broberg and a collection of non-premier picks and filler pieces. That’s awful asset management for Philly. And you want the Flyers to take back Campbell AND retain of Konecny? Just bad.

 

[The Madrigal]

Quietly underrated season. Awesome production given the cast around him. He’s got his flaws but I think he can maintain that pace and be an 80 point offensive spark plug moving forward especially if his situation improves (by trade or internally). He’s a guy I’d be looking to buy in on even if the cost is rightfully pretty steep.



Little reason for the Flyers to package him with a Hart or Provorov - I think that neuters the return that each could achieve individually. Zero chance the Flyers put all three in one trade together and the best single asset they get back is Broberg and a collection of non-premier picks and filler pieces. That’s awful asset management for Philly. And you want the Flyers to take back Campbell AND retain of Konecny? Just bad.

Yep. There is no reason for the Flyers to trade Hart when his value is at a low point. I do think Provorov is gone and rightfully so but the chances of someone giving up what it would take to get both him and TK is unlikely. I think Provorov ends up in LA. They have a need, have been linked to him in the past, and they have a lot of good prospects. TK may or may not be traded and as much as I like him as a player it would be kind of dumb not to trade him now when his value is probably really high.

Debrincat was 24 and one year away from being a restricted free agent and huge pay day. TK on the other hand is 25 and has two years at 5.5 million but will be a UFA after that. Debrincat had multiple years of the type of production TK had for the first time last season. If Debrincat went for 7th overall, a 2, and a 3, TK should be able to fetch the Flyers at least a mid to late first and a future 2nd.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Yep. There is no reason for the Flyers to trade Hart when his value is at a low point. I do think Provorov is gone and rightfully so but the chances of someone giving up what it would take to get both him and TK is unlikely. I think Provorov ends up in LA. They have a need, have been linked to him in the past, and they have a lot of good prospects. TK may or may not be traded and as much as I like him as a player it would be kind of dumb not to trade him now when his value is probably really high.

Debrincat was 24 and one year away from being a restricted free agent and huge pay day. TK on the other hand is 25 and has two years at 5.5 million but will be a UFA after that. Debrincat had multiple years of the type of production TK had for the first time last season. If Debrincat went for 7th overall, a 2, and a 3, TK should be able to fetch the Flyers at least a mid to late first and a future 2nd.

Assuming Debrincat would extend longterm at a reasonable price (say, 6-8yrs and $7.75-8.25m), thoughts on a trade involving him and TK?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Assuming Debrincat would extend longterm at a reasonable price (say, 6-8yrs and $7.75-8.25m), thoughts on a trade involving him and TK?

Why would they do that? DeBrincat is 9 months younger than TK. They're a rebuilder. If they're trading TK, it's for futures, not to get a few points better, a few months younger, and a few million dollars more expensive.

 

[The Madrigal]

Assuming Debrincat would extend longterm at a reasonable price (say, 6-8yrs and $7.75-8.25m), thoughts on a trade involving him and TK?

The Flyers are in a full on rebuild so trading for Debrincat doesn't make any sense for them. TK is one of the only legit assets they have who is in their prime and doesn't fit the timetable of the rebuild so they have to cash in on his value with picks and/or prospects.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Yep. There is no reason for the Flyers to trade Hart when his value is at a low point.

Goalies don't have high value to begin with, but I don't think Hart's value is at a low point. I think NHL scouting departments probably understand his talent level/potential vs. his team's. Now, sure, if he comes out of the gate 14-1-0 with 6 shutouts and a .952 next season, his value might rise. But I think anyone who scouted him at any point in his career and liked what they saw probably still does.

The contract thing is what's more confounding for value. I'd argue unless he overcomes the garbage roster and tears the roof off the league next season, he's probably more valuable now than he will be as an unsigned RFA or on whatever extension he ends up getting.

 

[The Madrigal]

Goalies don't have high value to begin with, but I don't think Hart's value is at a low point. I think NHL scouting departments probably understand his talent level/potential vs. his team's. Now, sure, if he comes out of the gate 14-1-0 with 6 shutouts and a .952 next season, his value might rise. But I think anyone who scouted him at any point in his career and liked what they saw probably still does.

The contract thing is what's more confounding for value. I'd argue unless he overcomes the garbage roster and tears the roof off the league next season, he's probably more valuable now than he will be as an unsigned RFA or on whatever extension he ends up getting.

If I was another team I'd be worried that his confidence is shot after playing in front of the team he has over the last couple of seasons and would view him as a reclamation project to some degree and pay accordingly in terms of value.

 

[Rich Nixon]

If I was another team I'd be worried that his confidence is shot after playing in front of the team he has over the last couple of seasons and would view him as a reclamation project to some degree and pay accordingly in terms of value.

do you think that value and that confidence gets better or worse if he plays the 2023-2024 season as a member of the Philadelphia Flyers

 

[tTheVeganWoofMate]

Debrusk and Carlo from Boston?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think the Brayden Schenn trade the Flyers made a few years ago would be a pretty good comparable here.

Schenn was coming off 55 points in 79 games that year, was at a $5.125M cap hit and had 3 years left on that deal and I believe was the same age as Konecny now.


61 points in 60 games is better then Schenn's, but scoring is also way up across the league right now compared to back then so they're a lot closer.


Schenn was traded for the 2017 1st which was #27, and a 2018 1st with Top 10 protection that ended up being #14 overall but at the time was likely valued as a playoff level draft pick rather then a Top half of the draft sort of pick. St. Louis also sent a cap dump in that deal in Lehtera who was at a $4.7M cap hit for 2 more seasons.



I would say 2023 + 2024 1sts for Konecny is probably fair value from a playoff team looking to step up into contender status. Maybe a small additional add like a mid round pick or depth roster player. Somebody like Seattle, Los Angeles, or even Toronto would all make sense as trade partners IMO.

Broberg
1st 2024
1st 2025
2nd 2025
Yammamoto
Campbell
Kulak

TK (50%)
Provorov
Hart

That's a pretty awful offer lol..

The 2024 and 2025 1sts maybe get you Konecny(But tbh being 1 and 2 years away diminishes the value enough that I dont think it would get the deal done)... So then you've got what? Broberg and a 2nd for Provorov, and then 1 cap dump and 2 borderline cap dumps for Hart?


Really awful. Philly would never package those 3 guys together if that's the best return they could get. They easily get more selling each guy individually.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Skill players with jam are hard to come buy, think a good number of teams would be interested.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'd offer 2023 1st + Minten + Timmins for TK from the Leafs.

 

[JRichard]

If I was another team I'd be worried that his confidence is shot after playing in front of the team he has over the last couple of seasons and would view him as a reclamation project to some degree and pay accordingly in terms of value.

Reclamation project? Thats a stretch.
Hart’s low point was 2021. Been improving on that next 2 seasons on a bad team.
Buf, Cal, Edm, LA, Mtl, Ott, Pit, Sea, StL, Tor, Vegas would improve with Hart and his numbers would improve on most of these teams.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Broberg
1st 2024
1st 2025
2nd 2025
Yammamoto
Campbell
Kulak

TK (50%)
Provorov
Hart

1) Broberg is a LD, Don't need a LD
2)Flyers retain 50% AND you dump us with Campbell?
3)In the end you give us the value we'd get without retaining and taking a cap dump, so I don't see the premium for doing that.

 

[BardownMagic]

I think the Brayden Schenn trade the Flyers made a few years ago would be a pretty good comparable here.

Schenn was coming off 55 points in 79 games that year, was at a $5.125M cap hit and had 3 years left on that deal and I believe was the same age as Konecny now.


61 points in 60 games is better then Schenn's, but scoring is also way up across the league right now compared to back then so they're a lot closer.


Schenn was traded for the 2017 1st which was #27, and a 2018 1st with Top 10 protection that ended up being #14 overall but at the time was likely valued as a playoff level draft pick rather then a Top half of the draft sort of pick. St. Louis also sent a cap dump in that deal in Lehtera who was at a $4.7M cap hit for 2 more seasons.



I would say 2023 + 2024 1sts for Konecny is probably fair value from a playoff team looking to step up into contender status. Maybe a small additional add like a mid round pick or depth roster player. Somebody like Seattle, Los Angeles, or even Toronto would all make sense as trade partners IMO.



That's a pretty awful offer lol..

The 2024 and 2025 1sts maybe get you Konecny(But tbh being 1 and 2 years away diminishes the value enough that I dont think it would get the deal done)... So then you've got what? Broberg and a 2nd for Provorov, and then 1 cap dump and 2 borderline cap dumps for Hart?


Really awful. Philly would never package those 3 guys together if that's the best return they could get. They easily get more selling each guy individually.

Someone else said tk for a 2nd/3rd line forward and a first.

Yammamoto + 1st + 2nd(for retention) for tk
Broberg + 1st for Provorov
Campbell + Kulak for Hart

I will admit it was a starting point. If something like this was to go through I imagine there may be another 1st or a 2nd + prospect.

1st 2024
1st 2025
1st 2026
2nd 2025
Broberg (you can flip him if you don’t want another LD)
Yammamoto
Kulak (2nd/3rd round pick value at TDL)
Campbell

Tk (50%)
Provorov
Hart

I know it is a big deal and unlikely to happen.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Jfc that Hart offer

 

[StewieP19]

Broberg
1st 2024
1st 2025
2nd 2025
Yammamoto
Campbell
Kulak

TK (50%)
Provorov
Hart

Hell no for Philly and Oilers