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Traverse City Prospect Tournament 2018
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hopefully we finally win this damn tournament. With the talent we will have it will be embarrassing if we don't.
Personally I don’t care about how we performs. Rather see the kids look good in areas that may transform to the NHL.
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eco's bones
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I'd like us to do well. I mean it's better than doing poorly. Winning it would be nice but it ain't the Stanley Cup by a long shot. I think we could put a pretty good team together if we feel like it.
Alexandar Georgiev--maybe.
Ryan Lindgren
Libor Hajek
Brandon Crawley-maybe
Sean Day
Joey Keane
Nico Gross
Brett Howden
Lias Andersson-maybe
Filip Chytil-maybe
Ville Meskanen
Michael Lindqvist
Ty Ronning
Tim Gettinger
Vinni Lettieri-maybe
Ryan Gropp-maybe
Gabriel Fontaine-maybe
Dawson Leedahl-maybe
Drew Melanson
Jason Salvaggio
Alexandar Georgiev--maybe.
Ryan Lindgren
Libor Hajek
Brandon Crawley-maybe
Sean Day
Joey Keane
Nico Gross
Brett Howden
Lias Andersson-maybe
Filip Chytil-maybe
Ville Meskanen
Michael Lindqvist
Ty Ronning
Tim Gettinger
Vinni Lettieri-maybe
Ryan Gropp-maybe
Gabriel Fontaine-maybe
Dawson Leedahl-maybe
Drew Melanson
Jason Salvaggio
Inferno
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Kris King's Ghost
Depends on who goes.
In theory,our 1-4 prospects, along with our 7-12 prospects won't or might not be there. You might be looking at as few as 4 of our top 15 prospects playing.
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I'm going to say it now so no one accuses me (again) of making excuses for players or anything like that: I don't really care about TC. There are certain guys that are there that I would expect to look dominant (for instance if we sent Andersson or Pionk or someone) and if they didn't it would be slightly concerning. But that's really it. I don't put much stock into this.
I know some scouts an some front offices do put stock into these prospect tournaments. If nothing else, it might alter perceptions heading into camp. But otherwise, it just doesn't matter to me. It's a bunch of guys that barely know each other in many circumstances, often who have never played with each other, in a short tournament where guys are rotated in and out of the lineup each game. It's just really hard to draw any substantial conclusions.
The tournament is a fun little thing but that's all I really see it is. I may be the minority, but whatever. Camp and preseason are where guys win or lose spots and really boost or lower their stock. Not here.
Also I believe last year the roster came out right at the very end of the month.
I know some scouts an some front offices do put stock into these prospect tournaments. If nothing else, it might alter perceptions heading into camp. But otherwise, it just doesn't matter to me. It's a bunch of guys that barely know each other in many circumstances, often who have never played with each other, in a short tournament where guys are rotated in and out of the lineup each game. It's just really hard to draw any substantial conclusions.
The tournament is a fun little thing but that's all I really see it is. I may be the minority, but whatever. Camp and preseason are where guys win or lose spots and really boost or lower their stock. Not here.
Also I believe last year the roster came out right at the very end of the month.
Detroit and Carolina already have announced their rosters.
The Left Wing Lock» Blog Archive » Detroit Red Wings 2018 NHL Prospect Tournament Roster
The Left Wing Lock» Blog Archive » Detroit Red Wings 2018 NHL Prospect Tournament Roster
Carolina's roster including Alexei Sarela.
http://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/assets/binary/299709896/binary-file/file.pdf
http://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/assets/binary/299709896/binary-file/file.pdf
While I largely agree I do think that you can learn something about some players, particularly the guys who are not at the top of your prospect list or who are on tryouts. For example, two seasons ago I went to a game in Hershey where I saw Robin Kovacs play. It's hard to describe just how bad he was. But there were lots of excuses for Kovacs, he's young and immature, Hartford's a bad team, he has to adjust to the smaller ice. And there were stories over the summer about his rededication. So I was interested to see how Kovacs would do at Traverse City. Any improvement at Traverse City? -- not so much. And a few weeks later he is completely gone -- a total bust. But not much of a surprise to me.
So when I watch I am hoping the team wins and looking to see if there are lower prospects who might show that they have some game. But I agree that three weeks after the tournament, it will have had relatively little impact.
So when I watch I am hoping the team wins and looking to see if there are lower prospects who might show that they have some game. But I agree that three weeks after the tournament, it will have had relatively little impact.
Yeah, and like, of course it matters how they look in Traverse. Either you are good at hockey or you are not. But we need not look further than at Buch being destroyed by many for his play Traverse only to make the NHL team a few weeks after being labeled a sure fire bust...
A good hockey game can only be played if it rest on certain pillars. A forward must get pucks from Ds/his center. A D needs support. Basic stuff. The player himself must also be capable enough in a bunch of areas. Pulling away one of those pillars may — or may not — be enough to tear a player’s entire game down. It’s the same thing for a team. We could send a team with many great players there, but if one thing is missing it could make the team suck for 5 games.
My point is just, there are extremely many circumstances that can impact — the results — at Traverse that has no impact on if the kids we have there are good NHL prospects of not. But normally the reactions are the complete opposite, we give up one goal and the board explodes ‘whooo the f*** is No 56 he is the worst ever why didn’t he clear the zone’ lol. Kids should make mistakes, otherwise they are not trying.
eco's bones
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So Detroit's sending two guys who played in the AHL pretty much the entirety of last year and Carolina's sending four. I have an idea the Rangers will be in the 3-4 range anyway--maybe more. I don't see a good reason not to play either Chytil or Andersson. If they don't bring Georgiev--they're probably going to bring two tryout goalies. Pionk I don't think will be there. The Rangers will have plenty of D and he's older and on the cusp. You'd definitely want Lindgren, Hajek and Keane and Gross will be a CHL'er and Day a first year pro. They all make sense. Crawley makes sense too as do Meskanen, Lindqvist and Howden, Ronning and Gettinger.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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Caring about winning TC is foolish IMO. All of these kids have never played together and the quality of the hockey is very poor. Hard to judge anything based off of this tourney. It's good experience and a first look at newly acquired prospects.
Looking forward to this, the dog days of summer have been absolutely brutal.
True, and also depends who the goalie is. And also we likely have a huge disadvantage in the coaching department, our AHL coach is likely better than Gernander clown, but still not great.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
BS... the other teams have the same issues... don’t play together, don’t know each other, their top prospects are elsewhere... yada yada...
Hope we look good FOR ONCE
Don’t care if we win or not but these prospects, wherever they fall on our depth chart, better start looking good or we are fooling ourselves that our system is strong again.
Hope we look good FOR ONCE
Don’t care if we win or not but these prospects, wherever they fall on our depth chart, better start looking good or we are fooling ourselves that our system is strong again.
Of course. That's why I wouldn't expect fans of other teams to care about this either. But they do, like ours do, so whatever.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Within reason.
Many of the Rangers top prospects are already playing in pro leagues across the globe, or playing in college.
I just don't think it's necessarily an apples to apples conversations --- depending on if certain guys are not on the roster.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
Totally fair but even if we have our 15th best kid he’s playing against their 15th best kid for the most part.
Svech and Dahlin aren’t playing. I’d like to see us not be bitches again.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Let's assume for a moment the Rangers are without their 1-4 prospects, and their 7-12. That's a pretty big piece of the pie to be missing.
So yes, our 15th might play against their 15th-20th.
But the talent at the higher end of the system might not be a good match, even with other teams super-elite prospects playing.
In that scenario, you'd essentially have a first line of Howden playing with some combination of Ronning, Meskanen and Lindqvist, and maybe Halverson in goal? Probably a few prospects further away on RD?
I mean obviously we don't know one way or the other yet. But I think there's a pretty big spectrum of expectations depending on who is or isn't playing.
Get Andersson, Chytil, Georgiev and others into the mix and expectations are pretty high. Take all of them out, and expectations become a bit more modest.
eco's bones
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Halverson has two years as a pro already. I don't think he'd be eligible. Nell I suppose is a possibility. I've pretty much given up hope on either.
IDK what the eligibility rules are. They're pretty full between the pipes, though--Hank, Georgiev, Mazanec, Nell, Halverson. Shestyorkin on the way, Huska in two years. Wall maybe. So who knows if they're looking to invite anyone.
Gardner McKay
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y u want tis.
When they inevitably don't score a combined 4 goals and 8 assists per game, people will declare them busts. "They can't even dominate a bunch of kids and ECHLer's, how can they even be good at the NHL level."
It will be an all time low for our board
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