GDT: Training Camp discussion - Rifai and Murray on waivers -- Steeves clears

[ACC1224]

If one of my coworkers was being featured on an Amazon series, I'm pretty sure I would watch. I think most people would.

lol sure but are they regularly on tv ?

It’s kind of like expecting them to watch their highlights when they get home after a game.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Reaves being useless again...

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839445549025776099

According to one poster, if a fourth liner doesn't score he's useless.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I have my own theory on this. After the Hab playoff loss I think he bought into Keefes playoff hockey playbook. Playing on the defensive side of the puck Limit turnovers don’t take risks. And that is what he did. The problem is that doing this takes away everything that makes Marner elite. He is best when he just reacts and tries plays most won’t even consider even if a few end up in turnovers. Safe Marner is a fraction of the player.

That doesn’t explain losing almost every puck battle and throwing the puck away like a live hand grenade. Berube needs to play him with a virtual bodyguard to protect him. Otherwise he’s useless in the playoffs.

 

[GoonieFace]

I may watch it at some point as it can be fun to see the behind the scenes of different NHL teams, but I certainly wouldn't be focused on it if I was preparing for an NHL season, and already lived through it all in person. The idea that Nylander cares if somebody watches some silly show, or that it reflects at all on leadership or character, is hilarious.

I think everybody else understood that scoring referred to points in this context. The rest of what you said is simply incorrect.

I think you need to update your operating system

 

[rumman]

If one of my coworkers was being featured on an Amazon series, I'm pretty sure I would watch. I think most people would.

Most people that aren’t self centred spoiled brats definitely would……

 

[Evilhomer]

Path of least resistance.

I really think it's as simple as this. The low risk option is to resign your own players. This franchise isn't big on risk. It's not good for the brand, and the brand trumps all.

 

[al secord]

[MOD]

Am I a mod?

Short for model? I could see it.

 

[egd27]

Yea lol sure but are they regularly on tv ?

It’s kind of like expecting them to watch their highlights when they get home after a game.

Not the same context really.

Either way, the smart answer would have been "I'll probably give it a look"
But Mitch and smart answers are that well acquainted

 

[Enniskillen]

Lol, if Nylander said something similar about any hypothetical marner’s tv show, obviously he is not worth one yet according to amazon, same people would piss themselves with righteous rage. Hypocrisy is rampant around here.

 

[al secord]

Not the same context really.

Either way, the smart answer would have been "I'll probably give it a look"
But Mitch and smart answers are that well acquainted

You're criticizing him for not giving your preferred answer, which you claim is the smart answer. Then, question his intelligence for not giving your preferred answer, which you claim is the smart answer.

Thank you for clearing up the context.

 

[IPS]

Lol, if Nylander said something similar about any hypothetical marner’s tv show, obviously he is not worth one yet according to amazon, same people would piss themselves with righteous rage. Hypocrisy is rampant around here.

This 100%

 

[Nineteen67]

They didn't answer anything.

Reaves has fought him many times too, but didn't in this situation.

If no one said that Reaves deterred people, I wouldn't care, it is a talking point about why he is needed, but he is not a deterrent.

He normally brings bad energy, that's the issue, getting scored against is not uplifting.

If you want the hard forecheck and energy, bring in someone who can keep up with the play and is good defensively, I don't mind a 4th line that is an energy line, but not sure Reaves is the answer.

Reaves was a terrific player when he was younger and was a treat in the inaugural season in Vegas, but he doesn’t deter much at this stage. Marchand, on the other hand, was able to deter at least one Leafs player, and that’s the type of player they desperately need.

 

[ACC1224]

Not the same context really.

Either way, the smart answer would have been "I'll probably give it a look"
But Mitch and smart answers are that well acquainted

True enough, he should speak as little as possible.

 

[Leaf Fans]

True enough, he should speak as little as possible.

Marner should be allowed to make his own choices about what to watch on TV or to turn the TV off.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Alex Nylander said he turned down NHL offers to work with Toronto development staff here and try to make the team. He is an idiot. This guy is not an NHLer. Shoulda took the money

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

As far as I’m concerned Robertson is and should be on the team. Sometimes you need a guy that can just rip it and play in your middle six. Don’t need everyone to be a banger and crasher or a defensive specialist.

 

[arso40]

If we signed domi as a marner lite replacement then fine otherwise that signing makes no sense we have too much players that have skillsets we could use that have their pathway blocced, we need to eliminate all the cute playing

 

[TMLAM34]

We should make room for Lorentz. Perfect 4th liner IMO.

 

[JEI]

If they move off of Kampf and Jarnkrok, and LTIR Dewar/Hakanpaa for the start of the year I think there's a way to sign Pacioretty/Lorentz and have Robertson full-time + have Cowan as an extra until you decide what to do with him (keep until WJC?). Would depend on the lengths of the injuries. Otherwise, Cowan I think has to go back to junior sooner. Reaves is still on the team in my scenario because I think they keep him around anyways, and then once Dewar gets back Cowan probably goes back to junior and then Dewar can rotate with Reaves on 4th line (Lorentz - Holmberg - Dewar/Reaves). You can also keep two spare D so perhaps a Timmins/Rifai combination as 7/8th D.

 

[Roo]

They didn't answer anything.

Reaves has fought him many times too, but didn't in this situation.

If no one said that Reaves deterred people, I wouldn't care, it is a talking point about why he is needed, but he is not a deterrent.

He normally brings bad energy, that's the issue, getting scored against is not uplifting.

If you want the hard forecheck and energy, bring in someone who can keep up with the play and is good defensively, I don't mind a 4th line that is an energy line, but not sure Reaves is the answer.

That’s the thing with him, and like any other player, when he’s on he is solid, when he isn’t it’s yuck. Terrible to start the year last season but really turned it around.

After tonight I’m glad we have the option to put him in on opening night against Montreal. I wouldn’t want Xhekaj gooning it up against our team without anyone to answer to. And that is my point, that is his role. It’s a unique one on the team. Admittedly not something we need very often, but that’s the job. We have lots of guys that can’t score but bring some defensive prowess on the fourth line, we don’t need more of it.

 

[Stephen]

The reporter specifically asked Marner if he was interested in watching the Amazon series that features Nylander.

Marner responded, "I probably won’t watch it, to be honest, so probably not."

That’s a very unleaderlike response about your teammate, selfish, but that’s typical Marner. Everything with him is about himself. When asked about Matthews hitting 60 goals, Marner shifts the focus to how he was passing him the puck all game. When asked about Matthews’ growth into a leader and eventual captaincy, Marner talks about how both of them have grown.

Even if you're not into NHL documentaries, you could still say something supportive of Nylander. When Marner was younger and starring in insurance commercials, his teammates joked around and supported him.

Though, im pretty sure Marner knows the quit crying bro that is reportedly in thr Amazon series is about him and its not a good look.

It’s pretty obvious the media wants to rub his past failures and public meltdowns in his face. So it’s not like Marner would come out of it looking great in any such interaction.

 

[crump]

Knies. Matthews. Marner
Robertson. Nylander. McMann
Pacioretty Tavares. Domi
Lorentz. Holmberg. Reeves/Dewar

I agree with the Kampf, Jarnkrok trades ideas. Holmberg has had a good camp, enough that I think Kampf is expendable. Jarnkrok has looked out of sinc. He might be a Swiss Army knife but he is dull right now. (Who will take on their cap is a dilemma. Also Kampf will only bury about a million through waivers I think)

Dewar can also play centre when he gets off LTIR (I assume he’s going there) if we are worried about having a centre around if Nylander can’t sustain the position.

Not sold on Patches yet. His first game was good, second looked slower but ok. I’m sure they’re going to give him both remaining games before making a decision. No one other than Robertson has shown they deserve that spot more. Cowan has been a bit of a letdown, Grebs needs some AHL time.

Lorentz is a perfect 4th liner. He’ll be big, cheap, responsible and completes every available check and looks like he has PK ability.

Reeves is going to have a spot I’m afraid to say. When he’s fresh, he’s awesome. He’ll probably end up in and out of the lineup again.

 

[Avilaj07]

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Pacioretty-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Holmberg-Nylander
Mcmann-Lorentz-Grebenkin

Rielly-Tanev
OEL-McCabe
Benoit-Liljegren
 Hankanpaa

Out-
Jarnkrok
Kampf
Reaves
Timmons

 

[aingefan]

As far as I’m concerned Robertson is and should be on the team. Sometimes you need a guy that can just rip it and play in your middle six. Don’t need everyone to be a banger and crasher or a defensive specialist.

Agreed 100%.
He can make a scoring chance out of very little time and space.

 

[Clark4Ever]

With Keefe gone, I have faith that Robertson will be in the starting lineup on opening night.

It would be completely asinine to let him go at this point. If they want to shed cap space to make room for Patches and/or Lorentz, they should consider other options.