GDT: Training Camp discussion - Rifai and Murray on waivers -- Steeves clears

[DarkKnight]

Matthews said "let it settle down" a couple times yesterday, so I'm assuming his back.

 

[Shooter2x]

Marner’s tone and actions so far this season may sway management’s decision to move on from him. I think they are leaning towards re-signing him, but maybe they’ll reevaluate.

If they have a brain they will definitely re-sign Marner.

 

[Nineteen67]

If they have a brain they will definitely re-sign Marner.

Maybe if he maintains this attitude, hovers around a 95 point player, and is once again pushed out of the playoffs, they’ll rethink it.
Management’s having a brain is the unknown.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner’s tone and actions so far this season may sway management’s decision to move on from him. I think they are leaning towards re-signing him, but maybe they’ll reevaluate.

‘Tone and actions’

 

[Nineteen67]

‘Tone and actions’

He seems a little different this year. He’s always seemed uncomfortable in front of the mic and says things that he shouldn’t, but this year he seems a little more calculated and intentional.

His comment and mannerism answering the question about the upcoming Amazon show was odd, and if he was in a tough media market he would been drilled after that comment.

 

[bax]

He seems a little different this year. He’s always seemed uncomfortable in front of the mic and says things that he shouldn’t, but this year he seems a little more calculated and intentional.

His comment and mannerism answering the question about the upcoming Amazon show was odd, and if he was in a tough media market he would been drilled after that comment.

I haven't really been watching the interviews this year. Do you have a link? Or what was it he said?

 

[RoadWarrior]

If they have a brain they will definitely re-sign Marner.

But then you have the Marner disappearing act in the playoffs where he reverts to a 3rd line player. If that doesn’t change in 2025 there’s no way he’s coming back.

 

[Nineteen67]

I haven't really been watching the interviews this year. Do you have a link? Or what was it he said?

I saw it in the closed Marner thread.

But then you have the Marner disappearing act in the playoffs where he reverts to a 3rd line player. If that doesn’t change in 2025 there’s no way he’s coming back.

Unless he’s signed before then.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I haven't really been watching the interviews this year. Do you have a link? Or what was it he said?

He said that *gasp*... he wasn't all that interested in watching the show... THE NERVE! HOW COULD HE!?

"if he was in a tough media market he would been drilled after that comment"
As he literally drills him in the toughest media market over the comment that wouldn't be given a second thought in any other market. The guy has no idea what he's talking about.

 

[Rude Dog]

Honestly, I don’t think Patches should make this team. We need a younger, faster guy in his spot.

Completely agree. Getting Thornton and Marleau vibes. This team is looking older and maybe a bit slower. I prefer Robertson with his youth and energy but Max has a spot. I am just very skeptical he brings much to the table at this point.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

So what was the point in closing the Marner thread then?

 

[ACC1224]

Completely agree. Getting Thornton and Marceau vibes. This team is looking older and maybe a bit slower. I prefer Robertson with his youth and energy but Max has a spot. I am just very skeptical he brings much to the table at this point.

Marleau was fine his first year as I recall.

I don’t think it’s one or the other anyway, Cowan goes back and they both make the team.

 

[Rude Dog]

But then you have the Marner disappearing act in the playoffs where he reverts to a 3rd line player. If that doesn’t change in 2025 there’s no way he’s coming back.

I have my own theory on this. After the Hab playoff loss I think he bought into Keefes playoff hockey playbook. Playing on the defensive side of the puck Limit turnovers don’t take risks. And that is what he did. The problem is that doing this takes away everything that makes Marner elite. He is best when he just reacts and tries plays most won’t even consider even if a few end up in turnovers. Safe Marner is a fraction of the player.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you read my response further down, I said Lindholm at 2C and Matt Roy at 2RHD would have made us better and more balanced had Marner waived.

So even with the assumption that we could just hand pick whoever we want and get them to sign in Toronto for the exact same AAV (very unlikely), we'd be paying 1.25m more than Marner/Benoit to get older and lose more overall offensive impact than the overall defensive impact we're gaining. Not sure how that's supposed to make us better.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

So even with the assumption that we could just hand pick whoever we want and get them to sign in Toronto for the exact same AAV (very unlikely), we'd be paying 1.25m more than Marner/Benoit to get older and lose more overall offensive impact than the overall defensive impact we're gaining. Not sure how that's supposed to make us better.

It would probably be Roy instead of OEL. And how are we better? Same answer it always is - PLAYOFFS

 

[Dekes For Days]

It would probably be Roy instead of OEL. And how are we better? Same answer it always is - PLAYOFFS

That doesn't make us better in the playoffs. And yes, as you pointed out, we could have gotten Roy without losing one of the best players in the league. The difference between the cost of Roy and OEL is less than a Kampf.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It would probably be Roy instead of OEL. And how are we better? Same answer it always is - PLAYOFFS

This is under the assumption Roy even wanted to sign in Toronto/Canada at all.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

That doesn't make us better in the playoffs. And yes, as you pointed out, we could have gotten Roy without losing one of the best players in the league. The difference between the cost of Roy and OEL is less than a Kampf.

3 points in 7 games. 3. 11 goals in 57 games. Marner can f*** off and we can roll with 10.9 in cap space for all I care. Still think we’d be better.

 

[Dekes For Days]

3 points in 7 games. 3. 11 goals in 57 games. Marner can f*** off and we can roll with 10.9 in cap space for all I care. Still think we’d be better.

No, we would not be better without one of the best players in the world, who is also our leading playoff scorer.

 

[LeafSteel]

So even with the assumption that we could just hand pick whoever we want and get them to sign in Toronto for the exact same AAV (very unlikely), we'd be paying 1.25m more than Marner/Benoit to get older and lose more overall offensive impact than the overall defensive impact we're gaining. Not sure how that's supposed to make us better.

Let me break it down so you can understand:

Some posters here tolerate you.

Other posters here toy with you.

I am neither, and don’t give a rats ass what you think about anything.

Move along and go play outside.

Have a nice day.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Let me break it down so you can understand:

Some posters here tolerate you.

Other posters here toy with you.

I am neither, and don’t give a rats ass what you think about anything.

Move along and go play outside.

Have a nice day.

I’d like this if I could. But instead you’ll probably get an infraction for doing nothing.

 

[IPS]

I have my own theory on this. After the Hab playoff loss I think he bought into Keefes playoff hockey playbook. Playing on the defensive side of the puck Limit turnovers don’t take risks. And that is what he did. The problem is that doing this takes away everything that makes Marner elite. He is best when he just reacts and tries plays most won’t even consider even if a few end up in turnovers. Safe Marner is a fraction of the player.

I think @Antropovsky showed he didn't do a very good job of that at all

 

[kevsh]

No, we would not be better without one of the best players in the world

With 3 of the best players in the world they've won one round in 8 years ...

But I will bet MLSE completely agrees with your logic, hence why the core is still here, and so far 3/5 of them (incl. Reilly) have gotten extensions after all that losing.

 

[LeafSteel]

With 3 of the best players in the world they've won one round in 8 years ...

But I will bet MLSE completely agrees with your logic, hence why the core is still here, and so far 3/5 of them (incl. Reilly) have gotten extensions after all that losing.

Path of least resistance.

 

[hamzarocks]

I think we all now the core guys and what they bring

We need them to be on their A game for once in the playoffs if we want to won the cup

What are glaring roster upgrades needed which can bring in "core level" talents to the team and have guys who can step up and be a 1LHD or 1RHD in case Rielly/Tanev fails? Be a 1C if Matthews fails for a round. They would be like a Gary Roberts who stepped up big time when Sundin was injured. Dont need to be a 1C or 1D but a guy when the moents get big can take that pressure and give quality play and output

Names that are interesting:

D-Men:
Provorov
Chychuran
Trouba (retained)

Centers:
Sean Couterier (contract is tough pill)
Morgan Frost (high breakout potential)
Brock Nelson (UFA, could be a deadline add if isles stink)

Wingers:
Kempe
Verhaghe
Vatrano
Rust


Hooefully, if the team is doing well at the deadline, we are aggresive and find a way to add a major impact piece or two from the above list to make the team more complete and competitive for the playoffs.