GDT: Training Camp discussion - Rifai and Murray on waivers -- Steeves clears

[HockeyVirus]

I don't really understand the "trade Jarnkrok" chatter when the "waive Reaves" option is just sitting there.

If you honestly think Reaves is not on the opening night roster you have not paid attention. Plus we already tried the skilled 4th line that doesn't really score and doesn't really hit and doesn't really fight. At least with Reaves and Lorentz the line has an identity.

Hard on forecheck and willing to scrap

 

[ACC1224]

Good to see Nylander back.
Some doofas on the main board started a thread about him being 'concussed' which was rejoiced by many other special people.

 

[stickty111]

Kyper sucks, honestly. These boost plays are pretty common now.

Sportsnet lost all respect when they brought this clown back.

Did you watch the game last night.
Thought Holmberg showed his progress. This following the game the other night where he fought.
Won the dot last night, showed more than the other centers in the line-up (Nylander exited and Tavares sat).
Perhaps he's arrived at his man strength age.

He's been one of their better players so far.

 

[ULF_55]

What you describe is not cheating, it’s called playing hockey. The Leafs pay too much of the cap to guys that don’t do any of that and have no money for skilled players that are willing to do that stuff.

Perhaps they are just targetting the wrong support players.

I think they need 2 main criteria ... able to skate and a dirtbag.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839703389476667894

 

[Rob Brown]

Good to see Nylander back.
Some doofas on the main board started a thread about him being 'concussed' which was rejoiced by many other special people.

It was @HockeyVirus which is even more confusing.

 

[Cams]

So....the majority of the cuts likely happen after Saturday's game I would think?

Interesting that Niemela hasn't gotten into one of the 3 games - not that there really is a spot for him, but he is one of their higher ranked prospects.

Would be nice to get a timeline on Haakanpaa as well.

 

[StuckOutHere]

If you honestly think Reaves is not on the opening night roster you have not paid attention. Plus we already tried the skilled 4th line that doesn't really score and doesn't really hit and doesn't really fight. At least with Reaves and Lorentz the line has an identity.

Hard on forecheck and willing to scrap

Oh it's more of a comment that he doesn't seem to have to fight for a job meanwhile people want to flip Jarnkrok or Kampf for whatever we can get.

 

[TheDoldrums]

It was @HockeyVirus which is even more confusing.

Him overreacting is not very out of character tbh. I was also shaken a bit in the moment having flashbacks to his past issues but no need to use concussed in the title when that wasn't ever confirmed.

 

[Sypher04]

Did you watch the game last night.
Thought Holmberg showed his progress. This following the game the other night where he fought.
Won the dot last night, showed more than the other centers in the line-up (Nylander exited and Tavares sat).
Perhaps he's arrived at his man strength age.

I did. He was ok against a weak Montreal team. Nothing to write home about. Cowan and Robertson outshone him by a considerable margin. I agree he looks stronger and more engaged physically but that might not be enough to be considered a “lock” which is what I initially disagreed with.

He's been one of their better players so far.

He’s been maybe middle of the pack.
He really hasn’t stood out.
If Auston, Willy, JT and Kampf are your guys down the middle, Holmberg will find himself needing to beat out some of these wingers to get into the lineup, which he hasn’t really done yet imo

 

[ULF_55]

I did. He was ok against a weak Montreal team. Nothing to write home about. Cowan and Robertson outshone him by a considerable margin. I agree he looks stronger and more engaged physically but that might not be enough to be considered a “lock” which is what I initially disagreed with.

Disagree.

Play different roles, and center has more responsibility.

They all played okay, all against the same team.

It isn't like Robertson scored against the stong Montreal team while Holmberg played against a weak Montreal team.

 

[WTFMAN99]

So....the majority of the cuts likely happen after Saturday's game I would think?

Interesting that Niemela hasn't gotten into one of the 3 games - not that there really is a spot for him, but he is one of their higher ranked prospects.

Would be nice to get a timeline on Haakanpaa as well.

I think Niemela may have gotten banged up at that prospect camp.

 

[Rude Dog]

This is an overly simplistic position to take.

You are making it sound like nothing will be gained by moving from Marner.

What if the $12m that Marner is expected to ask for is reallocated to be used, in part, on a true 2C and a top 4 RHD?

Is Marner really that much more valuable than other gaps that the team has?

Losing Marner and pissing money away is stupid. Losing Marner to shore up other long term positions of important need has the potential to make the team better long term.

We’ve see what this team looks like with Marner. We have not seen this team with solid depth up the middle that has Tavares, if resigned, slotted on the 3rd pairing, and a top 4 that figures to be here long term.

So lets use this past summer as a barometer just for the hell of it You had 11 -12 million to spend on free agents. What blend of free agents would you have signed to make the team better than marner plus depth d like Benoit? Lets include ones that the leafs had a realstic shot of signing? Personally i doubt Guentzel would gave signed ater fielding offers from carolina and tampa.

Not saying its impossible but i personally dont think its guaranteed to make the team better like many fans believe.

 

[LeafSteel]

So lets use this past summer as a barometer just for the hell of it You had 11 -12 million to spend on free agents. What blend of free agents would you have signed to make the team better than marner plus depth d like Benoit? Lets include ones that the leafs had a realstic shot of signing? Personally i doubt Guentzel would gave signed ater fielding offers from carolina and tampa.

Not saying its impossible but i personally dont think its guaranteed to make the team better like many fans believe.

If you read my response further down, I said Lindholm at 2C and Matt Roy at 2RHD would have made us better and more balanced had Marner waived.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Oh it's more of a comment that he doesn't seem to have to fight for a job meanwhile people want to flip Jarnkrok or Kampf for whatever we can get.

It's pre-season and he is 36. Most vets are not taking it more seriously than getting their cardio into shape.

It was @HockeyVirus which is even more confusing.

 

[PromisedLand]

so there is light at the end of the tunnel

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839693961226518643

 

[Sypher04]

Disagree.

Play different roles, and center has more responsibility.

They all played okay, all against the same team.

It isn't like Robertson scored against the stong Montreal team while Holmberg played against a weak Montreal team.

I agree they played the same weak team.
Robertson was just a lot better than Holmberg

And that’s not shitting on Holmberg in any way. He was fine. Robertson just played quite well imo. Cowan was better than both

 

[Suntouchable13]

Honestly, I don’t think Patches should make this team. We need a younger, faster guy in his spot.

 

[Maple Leaf]

whoever injured nylander should be reviewed by DOPS

 

[notbias]

If you honestly think Reaves is not on the opening night roster you have not paid attention. Plus we already tried the skilled 4th line that doesn't really score and doesn't really hit and doesn't really fight. At least with Reaves and Lorentz the line has an identity.

Hard on forecheck and willing to scrap

Is their identity getting scored on?

I do agree if they are going to play bad players, may as well make it a whole line of them, mixing defensive players with useless players makes no sense.

If they insist on someone large and hard on the forecheck, do something like Holmberg - Kampf - Lorentz.

If they have a 4th line that is useless though, they will need a defensive 3rd line, so likely need to move Nylander back to RW, find a 3C who is defensively good (or use Kampf), and then put Knies and McMann beside him, but there is no room for Pacioretty now.

 

[Leafidelity]

Honestly, I don’t think Patches should make this team. We need a younger, faster guy in his spot.

We need secondary scoring options, and Im not sure any of the young guys are going to outscore him just yet

 

[Antropovsky]

Its strange having four goalies over 6'3, and three over 6'5. Seems like just yesterday we had 5'11 Bernier and 5'10 Toskala.

Kyper sucks, honestly. These boost plays are pretty common now.

Nylander said he didnt think he needed it. Im sure he thought the same when Marner did it to him in the playoffs and it caused him to fall. Nylander has such great wheels that he doesnt need it. Is it really proven to be that effective? Ove only seem 1-2 highlights in 20 yeaes where they highlighted in a broadcast.

 

[Gabriel426]

What exactly kinds of pieces do you think we're getting through free agency with Marner's $11 million? Bertuzzi signed for half of that, $5 million. If we're replacing Marner with "2 or 3 guys", it's going to be 2 or 3 guys at the Bertuzzi/Domi level.

Are 2 or 3 Domi better than MM with someone like Dewar and another 900k player? How about Marchessault and Toffoli, are they not as good as if not better than MM and a 900k player.

The thing is that it is always easier for someone making 4-5mil to outperform their contract than someone making 11mil plus.

On top of that, over the past few playoffs had shown that a balance lineup is the way to go with roster construction unless your top guys are McD and Drai.

 

[Rob Brown]

Nylander said he didnt think he needed it. Im sure he thought the same when Marner did it to him in the playoffs and it caused him to fall. Nylander has such great wheels that he doesnt need it. Is it really proven to be that effective? Ove only seem 1-2 highlights in 20 yeaes where they highlighted in a broadcast.

Kyper was acting like it was the first time it had ever been done.

 

[Darcy Tucker]