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notDatsyuk · 2024-09-19T13:22:06-0400

Stringer Bell said:
To be fair, I really believe Keefe had to take his cue from his GM on that. I really believe Keefe would have acted and behaved differently when it came to accountability under a different GM. Last year different GM but he was afraid for his job. Dubas set the tone.

I think so - can you imagine how it would have looked if Nylander had been 2C and Dubas' $11M acquisition was relegated to 3C by year 3? $11M for a 2C was bad enough back then.

Darcy Tucker · 2024-09-19T13:30:55-0400

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notDatsyuk · 2024-09-19T13:36:52-0400

ULF_55 said:
Especially if you can mooch off big brother?

Maybe he's listening to his brother instead of his dad - find a good team and put down roots.

rumman · 2024-09-19T13:39:26-0400

ULF_55 said:
Especially if you can mooch off big brother?

I might be slone in this opinion, but for me one Nylander is enough, I see the potential for negative than positive from him being with the Leafs……..

Darcy Tucker · 2024-09-19T13:42:18-0400

rumman said:
I might be slone in this opinion, but for me one Nylander is enough, I see the potential for negative than positive from him being with the Leafs…….

Fair Assessment. He could be a distraction.

Fogelhund · 2024-09-19T13:45:32-0400

Skullz · 2024-09-19T13:54:47-0400

We definitely have too many bodies in the bottom six: difficult to construct lines that fit a certain identity.

That entire line of Lorentz - Kampf - Reaves seems like it could be jettisoned. Grebonkin can be switched with Dewar when he returns, and there is also Cowan and A. Nylander.

Maybe keep Lorentz at 775 000.

SprDaVE · 2024-09-19T14:00:21-0400

Skullz said:
We definitely have too many bodies in the bottom six: difficult to construct lines that fit a certain identity.

That entire line of Lorentz - Kampf - Reaves seems like it could be jettisoned. Grebonkin can be switched with Dewar when he returns, and there is also Cowan and A. Nylander.

Maybe keep Lorentz at 775 000.

I think the identity we need is just being a tough team to handle no matter who you put on. Berube doesn't have an extensive coaching record but he did balance his lines well across the board.

Physicality is obviously great for energy but it's useless if you're stuck in your zone the whole time chasing. Not sure if Lorentz, Kampf and Reaves would be very good compared to a lot of other options when healthy.

Skullz · 2024-09-19T14:03:02-0400

SprDaVE said:
I think the identity we need is just being a tough team to handle no matter who you put on. Physicality is obviously great for energy but it's useless if you're stuck in your zone the whole time chasing. Not sure if Lorentz, Kampf and Reaves would be very good compared to a lot of other options.

I think you misunderstood me. When I say identity, I do not specifically mean a physical line, rather any identity, speed, offence, defensive, whatever. The puzzle pieces don't fit very well.

By no means do I want a line of Lorenz, Kampf and Reaves: I would get rid of all three of them, except maybe Lorentz at league min.

SprDaVE · 2024-09-19T14:04:03-0400

Skullz said:
When I say identity, I do not specifically mean a physical line, rather any identity, speed, offence, defensive, whatever. The puzzle pieces don't fit very well.

I would get rid of all three of them, except maybe Lorentz at league min.

That's fair. I think if Holmberg and Kampf together are really good defensively with some speed.

Skullz · 2024-09-19T14:09:09-0400

SprDaVE said:
That's fair. I think if Holmberg and Kampf together are really good defensively with some speed.

I agree: Kampf was so good with Engvall. Problem is his cap hit.

ULF_55 · 2024-09-19T14:09:59-0400

rumman said:
I might be slone in this opinion, but for me one Nylander is enough, I see the potential for negative than positive from him being with the Leafs……..

Or they could push each other to be better.

Skullz · 2024-09-19T14:12:05-0400

ULF_55 said:
Or they could push each other to be better.

I concur. I think A. Nylander is a great tweener piece that plays when someone skilled is hurt. Likely bounces between AHL and NHL.

Fogelhund · 2024-09-19T14:13:51-0400

stickty111 · 2024-09-19T14:14:15-0400

Fogelhund said:
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Subtle shot at Keefe

Sypher04 · 2024-09-19T14:19:54-0400

stickty111 said:
Subtle shot at Keefe

Honestly not even that subtle.
It feels to me that of anyone who would have had a right to have beef with Keefe over the years Nylander is at the top of that list.
He would never come right out and say it, but it's always felt to me like Nylander has been singled out among the core by the coaches.

Skullz · 2024-09-19T14:20:47-0400

Fogelhund said:
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Love it.

ULF_55 · 2024-09-19T14:22:01-0400

stickty111 said:
Subtle shot at Keefe

Too easy to blame the old guy, about this, about lack of development/ playing of prospects even if true.

weems · 2024-09-19T14:22:15-0400

Fogelhund said:
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You'd think they'd run this experiment for at least 20 games before deciding either way.

ULF_55 · 2024-09-19T14:25:05-0400

weems said:
You'd think they'd run this experiment for at least 20 games before deciding either way.

Doesn't sound like Nylander pulled the chute on it.

dubplatepressure · 2024-09-19T14:26:19-0400

Sypher04 said:
Honestly not even that subtle.
It feels to me that of anyone who would have had a right to have beef with Keefe over the years Nylander is at the top of that list.
He would never come right out and say it, but it's always felt to me like Nylander has been singled out among the core by the coaches.

IMO Keefe was an idiot and never once showed he was capable of anything more than mediocrity, routinely getting out-coached by opposing teams. I'm so glad he's gone and I think the impact may be more substantial in terms of on-ice impact than we think.

Da Mash · 2024-09-19T14:31:57-0400

William Nylander on starting at centre again:

"I’m excited. I told Chief that the most important thing is I can’t just play one game if you want to try centre. We agree on that ..."

Why was experiment so short last year?

"I don’t know. You’ll have to ask my old coach (smile)"

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836830031802237291

Zero1 · 2024-09-19T14:41:51-0400

Not a fan of the Domi-Nylander pairing or the Matthews-Marner pairing.

I hope they try Nylander-Marner and bring back the Matthews-Domi pairing.

MarMarSab3 · 2024-09-19T14:45:32-0400

Zero1 said:
Not a fan of the Domi-Nylander pairing or the Matthews-Marner pairing.

I hope they try Nylander-Marner and bring back the Matthews-Domi pairing.

The issue I have with Nylander Marner together is that both want the puck on there stick, Nylander is the superior puck carrier but Marner being Marner woukld likely let his ego interfere

McSnypsky · 2024-09-19T14:47:37-0400

stickty111 said:
Subtle shot at Keefe

the next Jersey game, Willy will be either a +5 or -5

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