Value of: Trading the SEDIN twins.......in independent deals

[PG Canuck]

They have NMC, they aren't agreeing to being moved separately. It's never going to happen.

 

[57special]

this is never going to happen, why have yet another thread about it?

 

[JuniorNelson]

1) Any Sedin trade would have to be player driven. So, one or both of the Sedins would have to want to be moved and force the issue.

2)Aquilini is probably trying to extend the Sedins, otherwise the Eriksson deal makes no sense. Canucks do not have a smart hockey man at the policy level.

3) There is no apparent demand. Other teams see slow, slow one trick ponies when watching the Sedins. They cycle to each other and do not have the wheels to chase down the puck. Both are reluctant to shoot. No other team will use them in overtime. That's not much game for the money.

 

[clunk]

The day the Sedins agree to be separated is the day SJWs don't exist.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

[MOD]

Let's just say what if for a second. What if the twins were open to the idea of moving to separate contending teams?

The twins are interested in winning a cup are they not? The twins are smart enough to know that Vancouver won't be contending any time soon......right? Lastly, the twins are smart enough to know that no team out there would absorb their combined 14 million dollar cap hit......correct?

Why wouldn't a team like the New York Islanders be licking their chops at the idea of Henrik playing behind John Tavares?

You think it's the Twins that would be the ones concerned?

No, it will be the team(s) interested that would want them both or neither of them.

Bringing in just one is a big risk.

The Twins aren't going anywhere, and if they are traded it will be the set of them.

 

[Cogburn]

The can play apart.

They could play apart.

They want to play together.

They don't want to leave Vancouver.

Even assuming a contender was interested and could make a pitch to one, or the other, or both, to play for their city, the cap makes their movement incredibly difficult.

Retention on both isn't possible, as we are still retaining on Luongo.

Bad contracts that are likely to come back are much, much, much longer then is feasible for Vancouver to swallow.

NMC. X2.

Their value is tied to each other, since a casual fan hasn't seen what they can do apart, despite what we've seen in the past.

There is still a perception they need a "perfect" linemate.

There is more, lots more, but I can't think of it all. If a team has an answer to all of this, I personally am not opposed to moving them, but let's be real, there are a ton of limiting factors.

 

[notsocommonsense]

Trading the SEDIN twins.......in independent deals:

Many on here have created trade proposals where the Sedins' get traded to the same team (which then forces the Canucks to retain heavily). Unfortunately, all or most of these proposals ultimately lead to the conclusion that the Canucks wouldn't get a good return on the twins, and that even if they did, the high percentage of retained salary wouldn't justify the trade.

However - what if the twins' were to be traded in independent deals?

1) The twins have stated that they'll do whatever is in the best interests of the Canucks.
2) Although the twins would prefer to play together obviously, they'd be smart enough to realize that all/most teams out there wouldn't be able to absorb their combined cap hits.
3) The twins likely know deep down that if they want another shot at a cup, it will have to come outside of Vancouver.

My last point is this: Although this is conjecture on my part, I suspect that a part of the twins' hate the perception that they're "joined at the hip," and might even welcome the idea of having friendly competition between them (i.e. being traded to different contending teams, possibly competing against one another, and having bragging rights within the family).


Henrik Sedin will command an extremely solid return:

Henrik and Daniel at 14 million = law of diminishing returns. Henrik by himself at 7 million dollars....for just two years = having what would be one of the best 2nd line centers in all of hockey.

Henrik Sedin won his Art Ross and Hart Trophy in the year that Daniel was out for an extended period of time. Granted, that was some time ago, but Henrik has proven that he's still an elite player even without Daniel.

Daniel won't command near as much as Henrik, but will still fetch some solid young pieces :

By virtue of his position, and the fact that Daniel's play without Henrik is a bigger question mark, Daniel wouldn't fetch anywhere near as much as Henrik, but would still likely fetch some solid pieces.


All in all, if the twins would agree to waive their NMC's, *and* be willing to go to different teams, the Canucks would get a higher ROA and wouldn't have to retain anywhere near as much salary.

Assuming that the twins were interested in pursuing this option, what would you be willing to give up for one of Henrik and Daniel?

Only if we move them to teams that then play against each other in the cup final. . . Cuz that would be awesome

 

[puckpilot]

The twins don't want to leave Vancouver, regardless of going to a contender or not. They'd rather stay and be mentors and hope the Canucks can pull it together in their twilight.

 

[thadd]

I love how so many people here just want to say it'll never happen.
Less than 1% of the trade proposals that are made here actually happen so I guess we should just close all of the threads, eh?

I like the idea of trading the Sedins, but it's so hard for me to imagine them being traded separately.

I think the Nucks take a kinda yucky contract with 1-2 years left on it back and get something like a 1st + bluechip prospect and maybe another 2nd rounder gets thrown in.

For both deals.
So Vancouver takes a few yucky contracts on and walks away with a few 1sts, a couple of awesome prospects and a few more early round picks to stock the shelves.

I honestly can't see the Sedins getting you solid useful established players at this point. Whoever is trading for them is obviously going to want to use them to compete now so you're trading your future away, not your current core.

 

[Hi-wayman]

Seeing as I can't stand the scorched earth Edmonton/Toronto style rebuilds are not my view, I do agree they would stick around even after these contracts if we could give them roles.
Still doesn't matter. I'd put all this stupid vcash up on any odds of the Sedins saying no to basically any trade. I honestly believe they were a big part of convincing Loui to sign because they wanna stick around a year or even two more.

Too much expectations are expected from draft picks. Too little value given to the skill and experience of already established NHL players. The amateur draft is really just a crap shoot, not much better than playing the one armed bandits in Vegas. When drafting a 18 to 20 year old out of junior there is no guarantee that that drafted prospect is ever going to be successful in the NHL. If a team traded a player for that pick, even if the drafted player makes it to the NHL, there is no guarantee he will be an improvement over the player that the team traded away for that pick. GM's at least have an idea what skills and benefits existing NHL players bring to a team.

A number of fans have said contending teams would not trade for the Sedins in order to take on a first line role, but that the Sedins would form an anchor of one of the best second lines in the NHL. Well they could form that with the Canucks too and I believe the retention of the Sedins on the Canucks would be of greater value to the team than what they would receive in trade, together or separately. I think many underestimate the changes to the Canucks that have been or will be made soon. The following is my 2017/2018 starting lineup estimate. Please note I believe Subban would make a better RW than as a defenceman.

Baertschi-Horvat-Burrows
D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Boeser
Eriksson-Sutter-Virtanen
Rodin-Gaunce-Subban
Granlund

Hutton-Tanev
Tryamkin-Stecher
Edler-Gudbranson
Pedan-Larsen

Markstrom-Demko

I think Miller, Hansen, Dorcett & Skille will be made available for the 2016/17 trade deadline as they seem to fit skill roles that contending clubs seem to seek to fill weaker areas of their respective teams. Contending teams already have strong teams so aren't looking for elite additions, only players to strengthen areas of concern.