Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[Folignos Helmet]

We need size up front. Every year it’s proven in playoffs.
Size with speed. Maximum 1 or 2 guys can be 6 feet or under and they need to be really good.
Signing a guy who gets bought out who can maybe put up some numbers and then be useless in the playoffs is of no value.

We need to move towards a playoff style team year round even if that means sacrificing some skill or sizzle. The core 4 have enough skill. The other 8 forwards should all have size and speed.

 

[JKG33]

Looks like Domi/Bert out, DeBrusk/Skinner in?

Re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Debrusk is an upgrade on Bert sure, but likely not enough to justify the price difference.

Domi would have to be quite expensive before I'd consider taking Skinner over him

 

[OVO16]

Sounds like Debrusk, Joshua and Perron are leafs if you wanna go off reports.

Need to trade kampf and Jarnkrok

 

[JKG33]

It would be very Toronto for a team that struggles to score in the playoffs to sign a guy who has never played a playoff game.

And is getting bought out because they're trying to fix the loser culture

 

[1specter]

I really wanted Perron in the past and I think he brings good vet experience, but he's really really slow now. Don't like that this team continues to lose speed.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Skinner aint coming here. He's not Trelvivng type of player

The two Treliving type players combined for 2 goals in 7 playoff games... sorry I'm not seeing a lot of relevance to this. Signing Skinner does not preclude us from also signing players with more grit (Joshua, Trenin, Zadorov, etc).

 

[ULF_55]

This team needs changes and the fact that we are not aggressively making some form of changes is frustrating. It's a long offseason so I'll refrain from dooming but the draft week and weekend is usually the best time to be trade active.

Perhaps not re-signing existing is the change of direction?
Been there. Done that.

July 1st. opens new opportunities.

Can't sign new players until then.

 

[aingefan]

I don't understand why and how Domi isn't extended and won't be by July 1st. The match makes far too much sense. What a big time disappointment

Maybe the term/aav ask reported early on was legit, in which case stepping away makes tons of sense.

Can always double back when the market tells him he was nuts.

 

[SprDaVE]

Skinner aint coming here. He's not Trelvivng type of player

People always say this but he's had plenty of these players through his days in Calgary. I think he understands the concept of building a rounded team.

The idea that Treliving only likes big players or hyper physical players is just wrong.

Every team needs a balance of players and every team wants more skill, especially if they are on good value contracts. Like as if Skinner on a 2-3M short term deal would be a problem scoring 25+ goals. You can still add your meatheads and role players.

People dumped on Phil Kessel as a soft one dimensional loser winger and he went on to win 3 cups.

 

[Sypher04]

End of the day Skinner brings speed/skating and goalscoring ability. Both of which we could use more of. Don’t want him at $5M but I’d see what we could get him for.

 

[Mess]

Looks like Domi/Bert out, DeBrusk/Skinner in?

Lets not forget pending free agent forward Jake Guentzel who is a playoff scoring machine. 38 goals and 67 points in 68 playoff games.

Domi @ $3.3 + Bert @ $5.5 mil OUT = Guentzel IN at $8.5 mil per.

 

[ToneDog]

Your clock might be running a week or so too fast.

Debrusk/Perron in - Bert/Domi out ?

 

[Sypher04]

Lets not forget pending free agent forward Jake Guentzel who is a playoff scoring machine. 38 goals and 67 points in 68 playoff games.

Domi @ $3.3 + Bert @ $5.5 mil OUT = Guentzel IN at $8.5 mil per.

There’s just no scenario you could make a Guentzel signing without having a Marner trade done.

 

[aingefan]

He's asking for 6m per, LOL.

He scored 9 goals last year, he barely earned a raise.

Treliving isn't Dubas, he doesn't overrate his own players.

Except reports say he’s in on all his ex players at either inflated term (Tanev) or AAV (Zadorov).

 

[Fogelhund]

We need size up front. Every year it’s proven in playoffs.
Size with speed. Maximum 1 or 2 guys can be 6 feet or under and they need to be really good.
Signing a guy who gets bought out who can maybe put up some numbers and then be useless in the playoffs is of no value.

We need to move towards a playoff style team year round even if that means sacrificing some skill or sizzle. The core 4 have enough skill. The other 8 forwards should all have size and speed.

Florida was 11th in the league in height 186.54 cm on average.
Toronto's average was 186.24cm

In weight, Florida was 13th in the league, with an average of 90.65kg
Toronto's average was 91.17kg

We need good players, who will show up in the playoffs. We didn't lose because we weren't playoff style physical. We lost because we couldn't score, or move the puck out of our back end. I'm not sure how this isn't obvious to people.

We've actually lead the NHL, it hits per game, by team in the playoffs two years in a row.... but couldn't score, and couldn't move the puck out of our zone...

 

[Sypher04]

Florida was 11th in the league in height 186.54 cm on average.
Toronto's average was 186.24cm

In weight, Florida was 13th in the league, with an average of 90.65kg
Toronto's average was 91.17kg

We need good players, who will show up in the playoffs. We didn't lose because we weren't playoff style physical. We lost because we couldn't score, or move the puck out of our back end. I'm not sure how this isn't obvious to people.

We've actually lead the NHL, it hits per game, by team in the playoffs two years in a row.... but couldn't score, and couldn't move the puck out of our zone...

Yup. Our lack of puck skills on the back end is a huge factor I think in why our entire offense keeps drying up in the playoffs.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Domi -> Skinner
Bertuzzi -> Debrusk
Jarnkrok -> Perron
Kampf -> Joshua
Brodie -> Zadorov / Roy

I’d be happy with that

 

[All Mod Cons]

A huge f*** no to Skinner. This team needs to fix the loser culture, not spend another $5m or whatever on it.


Overpaid, soft, one dimensional, yup sounds like a Leaf

Signing Skinner is probably a good way for us to save having to play 89 games a season.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Domi -> Skinner
Bertuzzi -> Debrusk
Jarnkrok -> Perron
Kampf -> Joshua
Brodie -> Zadorov / Roy

I’d be happy with that

Big time. That's a best case scenario. Although I still think we need to add another D.

 

[JKG33]

Domi -> Skinner
Bertuzzi -> Debrusk
Jarnkrok -> Perron
Kampf -> Joshua
Brodie -> Zadorov / Roy

I’d be happy with that

Seems like a good way to spend a lot of money with the only real upgrade being on defence

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Seems like a good way to spend a lot of money with the only real upgrade being on defence

The cap hits should be about a wash.

 

[Mess]

I'm curious on the factors that played into that?

Tage Thompson coming back to earth maybe?

Answer:

vs.

Don't forget to deduct Shorthanded goals against from On-Ice EV GD to get to +/- stats.

38 less Goals For drop due to Tage and Tuch production.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Seems like a good way to spend a lot of money with the only real upgrade being on defence

I see upgrades basically across the board there.

 

[aingefan]

Skinner could be a great add for cheap. We need more depth scoring. I would be interested.

Really concerned with some of the names that we are linked to. Buying low doesn’t seem to be a thought right now.

Personally we should hard after Lindholm and Roy. That fills our two biggest needs. Get discounts elsewhere.

That’s my day one dream:
Lindholm - 2c with Willy locked in, and not landing in Boston. Pressure off making other big signings up front.
Roy - does the same thing with the D, it’s in good shape with his addition, and less pressure to overpay all over the place.
One of the goalies. They’re all pretty close…one of Stolarz, Brossoit, Talbot, Driedger, Talbot.
Pay Mitch his money, and conclude the sweepstakes there.
Pull an overnighted, order on some Boston Pizza and attack options for day 2.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

I hate that we wanted to give up our first rd pick again for a veteran like Markstrom