Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

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Pagnotta said the leafs are looking for big physical bottom 6 players.

Have to assume Branden Tanev is a target. I also wouldn't be surprised to see us get Gourde as well with his stock/value down. He could be a different player post surgery
 
the leafs are looking for big physical bottom 6 players.

Gourde
5'9" 172 lbs!!!!!

Rielly and oel should never be together
We need to bring in someone to partner with Rielly, but he and OEL haven't been terrible together. 18 goals for, 18 goals against, nearly breaking even in shots, and possession... we need to be better though, that is for sure.
 
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Pagnotta said the leafs are looking for big physical bottom 6 players.

Have to assume Branden Tanev is a target. I also wouldn't be surprised to see us get Gourde as well with his stock/value down. He could be a different player post surgery

We have limited cap space and B. Tanev is a 3.5M 9 goal scorer winger. He's a good grinder and all but even at 50% seems like a waste of precious cap space without filling a single needed spot. Gourde is injured until late March.

You're probably looking at Bjugstad, Kunin or Laughton.
 
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5'9" 172 lbs!!!!!
I didn't mean to mesh in Gourde with the "Big physical Player" statement. I just meant a buy low depth option for center, assuming we're trading with Seattle for Tanev.

But regardless, lets also not act like Gourde is not physical. He may be small, but the dude is a physical/gritty gamer. Just ask Tampa fans. They have been wanting him back for years
 
I just don't know how Treliving gets to add both. I can see L. Schenn to some degree, retention or not, but B. Schenn is a lot more of an issue. I don't see why the Blues would retain 3M for 3 more seasons (yes 3) unless it's a huge return. The Leafs just don't have the cap space to absorb B. Schenn unless they do a big time cap trim.

A team like Florida will have a ton of cap space if Tkachuk is out until the playoffs. They are a team I can see easily doing it without any retention. Schenn can then slide into Bennetts spot if he walks.
I don't see us having the assets or cap for Brayden but I would love to have Luke back. He probably should have been re-signed in the first place. He and Rielly look very solid together. With a top four of Tanev/McCabe and Schenn/Rielly our defense looks pretty solid.

IF we could somehow snag Brayden as well that would be awesome and definitely fill a gap at center, just not sure how we do it.
 
I love physicality (and Luke Schenn) probably more than anyone on here....but is Luke Schenn really an upgrade of Phillipe Myers?

Myers is just as physical and honestly, i think he's better/mobile.

The only case you can make for bringing Luke Schenn back is how good he looked next to Morgan Rielly I guess
 
I can definitely see a deal with San Jose and a third team for salary retention and Kunin and Ruuta being our deadline additions.

Seems like the most realistic and affordable additions without breaking the bank.
 
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Cap wise, assuming Hakanpaa is done, Tre has the balls to paper send down Patches and Reaves, and we're willing to trade Benoit or Timmins ( or try and slip them one of them through waivers:

Knies-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Domi-xxx-Jarncrok
Lorentz-Kampf-Dewar
Holmberg

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-xxx
OEL-Myers
Benoit/Timmins

Leaves 4.9/5,1m in LTIR space

With 50% retention, that's 10m in players.
 
Common Trades.... Do something.

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It should be fine! Almost every other league has moved to this model now. I assume it costs a ton to have your whole management office fly out to one location. It’s a lot. Should still be a good product



I think it’s costs tbh. Other leagues like the NFL have moved to this model and it seems to not impact the draft. I believe players will still go, it’s just the teams will call in and draft from their home base. It’s also probably very chaotic on the floor. This year things will be a little more organized
I get but to see GMs interact on the floor was cool speculation what they were talking about .

What's the sense of even having the players there.

Let the young players save money.

If it was ever held in Toronto I wouldn't go what's the sense
 
I can definitely see a deal with San Jose and a third team for salary retention and Kunin and Ruuta being our deadline additions.

Seems like the most realistic and affordable additions without breaking the bank.
Kunin + Ruuta would be a solid budget option that we would barely even need retention for.

Philly also has combo potential in Laughton/Cates/Poehling + Risto
 
Kunin + Ruuta would be a solid budget option that we would barely even need retention for.

Philly also has combo potential in Laughton/Cates/Poehling + Risto
I’d prefer a deal with Philly, especially if it includes Cates. Rather spend assets on players with term than on players who can walk this summer.
 
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Trade value

The Canadiens have had valuable players to sell off under the Jeff Gorton and Hughes administration. Artturi Lehkonen, Tyler Toffoli, Ben Chiarot and Brett Kulak in 2022, Evgeni Dadonov in 2023, Sean Monahan and Jake Allen last season.

This season, it seems apparent at this point that Jake Evans will be moved. The Canadiens and Evans’ camp are not close on a contract extension. But the return on Evans alone is not likely to be that great, especially considering the mountain of draft capital the Canadiens already have this season and next.

Joel Armia has expressed to the Canadiens a desire to stay in Montreal, but he would need to accept a rather sizable pay cut for that to happen.
We spoke to Armia about this during the 4 Nations Face-Off, and he felt immediately uncomfortable with the conversation. All he would say is that he has communicated to the Canadiens he would like to stay. Otherwise, he is not thinking about it.

Evans on his own would bring a modest return. Armia on his own would bring a modest return. But the two of them together on the open trade market could bring back something significant. They are a top penalty-killing pair, they have played together at five-on-five for the better part of two seasons and would arrive on a new team looking for help on the PK and improved depth at forward as a plug-and-play solution to both problems.

This is an idea we floated before the 4 Nations break, and the Canadiens are exploring it on the trade market, a league source said. The goal for the Canadiens here is to add a third first-round pick in the upcoming draft, and that has already been set as the market rate for a package deal of two rentals.
The Pittsburgh Penguins got that – plus a prospect and two undesirable contracts – from the Vancouver Canucks for Marcus Pettersson and Drew O’Connor, and the San Jose Sharks got that from the Dallas Stars for Mikael Granlund and Cody Ceci.

We’ll see if the Canadiens can pry similar value out of their package deal.

And if the Canadiens were to wind up with three first-round picks in the upcoming draft, it would be fair to expect them to be very aggressive on the trade market using those picks to bring in a significant player.

Otherwise, it seems as though the market for David Savard and Christian Dvorak is rather soft, especially at their relatively high salary cap hit, and it doesn’t sound as though the Canadiens are all that interested in using their final salary retention slot on either of them.


The Canadiens would probably be just fine with letting both Savard and Dvorak play out their contracts because that would solve another problem the Canadiens have to manage after the trade deadline.
 
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I guess the first question being, what makes us think they are available? What do we have to send Utah, that improves that team now? A first in 2026 isn't it.

More so wishful thinking but hoping that Utah pulls the plug on the season and sells. They need top end talent.

With Marino and Durzi back Kesselring is on the third pair now and Hayton who is surprisingly healthy this year is kind of injury prone.

It would be Utah selling high for futures they can flip for a top-6 player.
 
When it comes to Utah, Crouse is a name I would be interested in. He’s having a rough season but something screams Bennett situation in Calgary to me. We’d be set down the left side for the foreseeable future with Knies - Crouse - McMann, all big, strong and pretty a solid 200ft game.

If you could get them to include kesselring, even better.
 
More so wishful thinking but hoping that Utah pulls the plug on the season and sells. They need top end talent.

With Marino and Durzi back Kesselring is on the third pair now and Hayton who is surprisingly healthy this year is kind of injury prone.

It would be Utah selling high for futures they can flip for a top-6 player.

They need quite a few things.. top end talent, and they need more size. They've got a lot of talent, but much like us in the past, not much size throughout the lineup. Outside of Crouse and McBain, it's not a big team, and neither should be features in the top six.

You can make the argument moving on from Hayton gives them the opportunity to replace with more size, though Kesselring in the opposite. I suppose if they are playing 3D chess, and looking at a bunch of moves, it could make some sense. They are looking for Knies like players, which clearly we shouldn't be giving up. They should be approaching Buffalo about Cozens though... he could help them.

I don't think it's very likely Utah would do a futures package for these guys, but you did a decent job laying our your reasoning, so kudos there.
 
When it comes to Utah, Crouse is a name I would be interested in. He’s having a rough season but something screams Bennett situation in Calgary to me. We’d be set down the left side for the foreseeable future with Knies - Crouse - McMann, all big, strong and pretty a solid 200ft game.

If you could get them to include kesselring, even better.
One of Utah's problem is being small. Moving on from Crouse, would be the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

I mean, I'd love Crouse, but another winger is probably at the bottom of the Shopping "Needs" list.
 

Trade value

The Canadiens have had valuable players to sell off under the Jeff Gorton and Hughes administration. Artturi Lehkonen, Tyler Toffoli, Ben Chiarot and Brett Kulak in 2022, Evgeni Dadonov in 2023, Sean Monahan and Jake Allen last season.

This season, it seems apparent at this point that Jake Evans will be moved. The Canadiens and Evans’ camp are not close on a contract extension. But the return on Evans alone is not likely to be that great, especially considering the mountain of draft capital the Canadiens already have this season and next.

Joel Armia has expressed to the Canadiens a desire to stay in Montreal, but he would need to accept a rather sizable pay cut for that to happen.
We spoke to Armia about this during the 4 Nations Face-Off, and he felt immediately uncomfortable with the conversation. All he would say is that he has communicated to the Canadiens he would like to stay. Otherwise, he is not thinking about it.

Evans on his own would bring a modest return. Armia on his own would bring a modest return. But the two of them together on the open trade market could bring back something significant. They are a top penalty-killing pair, they have played together at five-on-five for the better part of two seasons and would arrive on a new team looking for help on the PK and improved depth at forward as a plug-and-play solution to both problems.

This is an idea we floated before the 4 Nations break, and the Canadiens are exploring it on the trade market, a league source said. The goal for the Canadiens here is to add a third first-round pick in the upcoming draft, and that has already been set as the market rate for a package deal of two rentals. The Pittsburgh Penguins got that – plus a prospect and two undesirable contracts – from the Vancouver Canucks for Marcus Pettersson and Drew O’Connor, and the San Jose Sharks got that from the Dallas Stars for Mikael Granlund and Cody Ceci.

We’ll see if the Canadiens can pry similar value out of their package deal.

And if the Canadiens were to wind up with three first-round picks in the upcoming draft, it would be fair to expect them to be very aggressive on the trade market using those picks to bring in a significant player.

Otherwise, it seems as though the market for David Savard and Christian Dvorak is rather soft, especially at their relatively high salary cap hit, and it doesn’t sound as though the Canadiens are all that interested in using their final salary retention slot on either of them.


The Canadiens would probably be just fine with letting both Savard and Dvorak play out their contracts because that would solve another problem the Canadiens have to manage after the trade deadline.

Dvorak would be a cheap 3C add if they wanted to spend more on a RD.
 
I just don't know how Treliving gets to add both. I can see L. Schenn to some degree, retention or not, but B. Schenn is a lot more of an issue. I don't see why the Blues would retain 3M for 3 more seasons (yes 3) unless it's a huge return. The Leafs just don't have the cap space to absorb B. Schenn unless they do a big time cap trim.

A team like Florida will have a ton of cap space if Tkachuk is out until the playoffs. They are a team I can see easily doing it without any retention. Schenn can then slide into Bennetts spot if he walks.
I'm not sure how Toronto is going to make the cap work for both Schenns. If I had to choose one it's deff B.Schenn though. The cap hit would be a little larger for your 3C, but he's probably a solid 50-55 point player for Toronto. I'd rather ROR then B.Schenn myself.

Toronto has a lot of dead money they need to dump/trade away/waiver wire.. As example for this year at the deadline:

Knies - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Domi - X - Robertson
Lorentz - Holmberg - Jankrok
Dewar

Rielly - Timmins
McCabe - Tanev
Beniot - OEL
Myers

Leaves you with 2,5m in cap dumping Reaves + Patches + Kampf.
 
Are the Oilers after GIbson?

Ducks just picked up a 4th. goaltender.

Not sure how they do the Cap ...

Yes, but they only had three healthy goalies total. Two of their goalies are out injured, including Gibson. Husso was picked up, to sub at the AHL level.
 
I'm not sure how Toronto is going to make the cap work for both Schenns. If I had to choose one it's deff B.Schenn though. The cap hit would be a little larger for your 3C, but he's probably a solid 50-55 point player for Toronto. I'd rather ROR then B.Schenn myself.

Toronto has a lot of dead money they need to dump/trade away/waiver wire.. As example for this year at the deadline:

Knies - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Domi - X - Robertson
Lorentz - Holmberg - Jankrok
Dewar

Rielly - Timmins
McCabe - Tanev
Beniot - OEL
Myers

Leaves you with 2,5m in cap dumping Reaves + Patches + Kampf.
Keeping expectations in check, he's on pace for 47 points, playing 17:37 a game. On the third line here, he's playing ~14 minutes a game. That production will likely drop some, probably just below the 40 point pace.
 

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