Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[ACC1224]

Correct... held virtually. The teams wanted this.

Players, families, and select team representatives will be together with Gary Bettman, where he will be facilitating the draft as teams (GMs, scouts, etc.) make their picks from their own team facilities, virtually

Thanks, wonder why the teams wanted this?

 

[The Iceman]

Thanks, wonder why the teams wanted this?

NFL has been this way for years. Saves teams $$$ not sending a management team to the draft destination.

 

[Americanadian]

I believe he's primarily played wing this year.

He has because Lindholm is there now but he primarily played C last season and he still averages 5 faceoffs/game this year.

He meets a lot of criteria for the Leafs. He's first on the Bruins in 5v5 goals/60 and expected goals/60. He's big, young, RS, relatively physical, relatively cheap, has team control.

Thanks, wonder why the teams wanted this?

Significantly cheaper. Also last year the turn around between the draft and UFA was way too short (3 days I think).

 

[ULF_55]

Even if Hakanpaa could play again,he is your 3RHD.

You still need a 2RHD and I think Connor Murphy is exactly what we need.

As much as I love the idea of Parayko, the cost and likelihood for Murphy is much higher.

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Murphy
OEL-Hakanpaa

I think he was talking about PK duties mostly?

I doubt Hakanpaa is going to be healthy enough to be the answer, but he was for Dallas last year on the PK.

So even as a 3rd. pairing he could do PK.

 

[ACC1224]

NFL has been this way for years. Saves teams $$$ not sending a management team to the draft destination.

He has because Lindholm is there now but he primarily played C last season and he still averages 5 faceoffs/game this year.

He meets a lot of criteria for the Leafs. He's first on the Bruins in 5v5 goals/60 and expected goals/60. He's big, young, RS, relatively physical, relatively cheap, has team control.


Significantly cheaper. Also last year the turn around between the draft and UFA was way too short (3 days I think).

Yeah I get the cost, I had thought Teams used the draft weekend as an end of season perk for the front office staff. scouts, etc.
Times are changing I guess.

 

[thusk]

Even if Hakanpaa could play again,he is your 3RHD.

You still need a 2RHD and I think Connor Murphy is exactly what we need.

As much as I love the idea of Parayko, the cost and likelihood for Murphy is much higher.

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Murphy
OEL-Hakanpaa

This is good enough, but honestly think Hakanpaa is done and we are looking at Timmins and Myers platooning 3RHD.

Adding 2RHD is urgent. OEL cannot play RHD in the playoffs. Why this team continues to fail to address this in a permanent and meaningful way is beyond description but it continues to bite them in the ass.

Honestly would love to add Parayko and Murphy but we don’t have the assets and we also need a 3C.

Watched last night’s game and still on board on a Donato-Murphy package as soon as possible.

personally i prefer paying a bit higher for parayko than Murphy. Murphy would probably cost like a1st and a 2nd ... at this stage savard for a 3rd or 2nd picl could be a better option

 

[arso40]

personally i prefer paying a bit higher for parayko than Murphy. Murphy would probably cost like a1st and a 2nd ... at this stage savard for a 3rd or 2nd picl could be a better option

I doubt it Savard bottom pair d murphy solid top 4 injury prone though so your right parayko should be first followed by murphy then the likes of a Savard

 

[Fogelhund]

Murphy has had a tough year this year, though playing in Chicago could eventually weigh on everyone... plus as mentioned, the injuries.

The question with St. Louis, is do they view themselves as a rebuild candidate? Their fans seem to think they'll be selling, but it's not Parayko's name that comes up.

Ducks made Gudas their captain, so it seems unlikely they move him, though I think he'd make a good partner for Rielly as well.

Then we go further down the list and Schenn.

The key to me, is targeting a player good enough, or the right fit for Rielly, so it pushes everyone else down. Obtaining a 3RD, is a marginal improvement at best.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Even as someone who claimed some interest in Jones... Yeah, I wouldn't go near that now. lol

 

[4thline]

Then we go further down the list and Schenn.

The key to me, is targeting a player good enough, or the right fit for Rielly, so it pushes everyone else down. Obtaining a 3RD, is a marginal improvement at best.

That "right fit" aspect is key to me. 2x solid "right fit" RD's even if it's just a 5 and 6 that slot nicely beside Rielly and OEL respectively sets up with 3 pairs that slot well, without breaking the bank on a "true top 4"

 

[The Iceman]

That "right fit" aspect is key to me. 2x solid "right fit" RD's even if it's just a 5 and 6 that slot nicely beside Rielly and OEL respectively sets up with 3 pairs that slot well, without breaking the bank on a "true top 4"

The best way to predict the future is look at the past.
TREE last year acquired a 4th line centre, BUUUUSH, and Edmundson.

Both Buuuush and ED went on to sign pretty big term and $$$ contracts making their acquisitions look like solid trade deadline acquisitions.

If we could do the same this year I would be thrilled.

Tough facts about being a trade deadline buyer for years with a top heavy lineup.
If you can round out the group and get good goaltending you have a chance at a playoff run.

 

[Fogelhund]

That "right fit" aspect is key to me. 2x solid "right fit" RD's even if it's just a 5 and 6 that slot nicely beside Rielly and OEL respectively sets up with 3 pairs that slot well, without breaking the bank on a "true top 4"

I get what you are saying... but I don't really see the need to spend anything to upgrade the bottom pair, if you push the rest down.



OEL + Timmins -> 6 goals for, 4 against, 57.5% Corsi, 50.9% Shots For
McCabe + Timmins -> 4 goals for, 2 against, 64% Corsi for, 61% Shots for.
McCabe + Benoit -> 8 goals for, 5 against, The shots for, and Corsi aren't good.

Both OEL and McCabe have been good with Tanev, but in any case if you do this.

OEL/McCabe Tanev
OEL/McCabe Timmins

We've got two pairings that have been effective, quite effective actually.

Benoit as #7 is pretty good.

The bottom line is also that we need a 3C, and to trade for a 3C, and two RD's, is likely beyond our resources.

 

[Sypher04]

Murphy has had a tough year this year, though playing in Chicago could eventually weigh on everyone... plus as mentioned, the injuries.

The question with St. Louis, is do they view themselves as a rebuild candidate? Their fans seem to think they'll be selling, but it's not Parayko's name that comes up.

Ducks made Gudas their captain, so it seems unlikely they move him, though I think he'd make a good partner for Rielly as well.

Then we go further down the list and Schenn.

The key to me, is targeting a player good enough, or the right fit for Rielly, so it pushes everyone else down. Obtaining a 3RD, is a marginal improvement at best.

Ideally we’d also like to get another 3 seasons out of whatever partner we get Rielly. Stability goes a long way.

Would love Parayko, but that’s more challenging obviously in cap, acquisition cost and just is he even available

 

[SprDaVE]

Murphy has had a tough year this year, though playing in Chicago could eventually weigh on everyone... plus as mentioned, the injuries.

The question with St. Louis, is do they view themselves as a rebuild candidate? Their fans seem to think they'll be selling, but it's not Parayko's name that comes up.

Ducks made Gudas their captain, so it seems unlikely they move him, though I think he'd make a good partner for Rielly as well.

Then we go further down the list and Schenn.

The key to me, is targeting a player good enough, or the right fit for Rielly, so it pushes everyone else down. Obtaining a 3RD, is a marginal improvement at best.

I paid close attention to Murphy yesterday and he looked solid. Skated well and made some plays. He was by far their best D yesterday to me next to Vlasic. 4 blocked shots, 1 shot on net, even +/-.

He'd be a very good target. He doesn't add much offense but he would 100% be a good upgrade. He might flourish in a big way on a much better overall team.

Leafs could target Donato as a capable center and take on Murphy in a similar trade they did for McCabe and Lafferty a few years back. Donato hasn't been a full time center though so I'd rather just target Murphy and look for a center upgrade elsewhere.

 

[Fogelhund]

Ideally we’d also like to get another 3 seasons out of whatever partner we get Rielly. Stability goes a long way.

I'd agree. If we are going to spend good assets, let's obtain someone with some term.

 

[TMLAM34]

Parayko would be such a big addition to this team/blueline. However I think the price starts at Cowan, 2026 1st rounder +…

Murphy would be a solid addition and should definitely be cheaper than someone Parayko allowing us to keep Cowan and manage the cap hit a lot easier. You’re probably looking at 2026 1st + Danford + something small to make the cap easier to swallow, say Kampf or Jarnkrok?

 

[4thline]

I get what you are saying... but I don't really see the need to spend anything to upgrade the bottom pair, if you push the rest down.



OEL + Timmins -> 6 goals for, 4 against, 57.5% Corsi, 50.9% Shots For
McCabe + Timmins -> 4 goals for, 2 against, 64% Corsi for, 61% Shots for.
McCabe + Benoit -> 8 goals for, 5 against, The shots for, and Corsi aren't good.

Both OEL and McCabe have been good with Tanev, but in any case if you do this.

OEL/McCabe Tanev
OEL/McCabe Timmins

We've got two pairings that have been effective, quite effective actually.

Benoit as #7 is pretty good.

The bottom line is also that we need a 3C, and to trade for a 3C, and two RD's, is likely beyond our resources.

That's fair- I just don't love Timmins for the playoffs, as well as the "next man" up injury scenarios.

In terms of resources- depends. If we're really emptying the cupboard AND move some salary out so that we're not adding retention taxes every step of the way- 1st+Cowan+ gets the C, leaving 2nd/3rd/Robertson/ other prospects for the 2x RD.

 

[Rare Jewel]

The key to me, is targeting a player good enough, or the right fit for Rielly, so it pushes everyone else down. Obtaining a 3RD, is a marginal improvement at best.

Wasn't that supposed to be Tanev?

 

[Fogelhund]

I paid close attention to Murphy yesterday and he looked solid. Skated well and made some plays. He was by far their best D yesterday to me next to Vlasic. 4 blocked shots, 1 shot on net, even +/-.

He'd be a very good target. He doesn't add much offense but he would 100% be a good upgrade. He might flourish in a big way on a much better overall team.

Leafs could target Donato as a capable center and take on Murphy in a similar trade they did for McCabe and Lafferty a few years back. Donato hasn't been a full time center though so I'd rather just target Murphy and look for a center upgrade elsewhere.

Murphy played ok yesterday, and I'd agree was likely their best D. The injury issues are the biggest concern to me. I don't know if he's the guy to pair with Rielly, but he might be. He's not my first pick though, but I wouldn't be unhappy if that's who we ended up with. He probably is the most realistic guy to obtain, on my list. I thought we should have been targeting him, when we got McCabe originally.. but McCabe was an astute pickup.

I don't know how Donato gets moved though. They are so weak at C, I'm not sure they can afford to do that. Plus, he's terrible at faceoffs, and a 30 point guy, with third line minutes... not really an upgrade over the McMann Domi Robertson line at all.

That's fair- I just don't love Timmins for the playoffs, as well as the "next man" up injury scenarios.

In terms of resources- depends. If we're really emptying the cupboard AND move some salary out so that we're not adding retention taxes every step of the way- 1st+Cowan+ gets the C, leaving 2nd/3rd/Robertson/ other prospects for the 2x RD.

Just my opinion, but the more costly piece will be the RD... I think we'll go budget C. I get being reserved about Timmins for the playoffs, but I'm ok.. because OEL has been good with Tanev as well, and McCabe and Benoit are good too... we have flexibility with these five players. (Timmins included).

 

[4thline]

Just my opinion, but the more costly piece will be the RD... I think we'll go budget C. I get being reserved about Timmins for the playoffs, but I'm ok.. because OEL has been good with Tanev as well, and McCabe and Benoit are good too... we have flexibility with these five players. (Timmins included).

We may- but not in my proposed scenario.

 

[Fogelhund]

Wasn't that supposed to be Tanev?

Yes, and they haven't been bad together. Strong shots for, strong possession... it's just that Tanev is REALLY good on the "defensive" pair, whether that is with OEL or McCabe. Tanev with those guys, makes the team better than with Rielly.

We may- but not in my proposed scenario.

Only a couple of weeks left until we find out which way we go... or maybe we will be arguing over how mad we are they did nothing.

 

[4thline]

Yes, and they haven't been bad together. Strong shots for, strong possession... it's just that Tanev is REALLY good on the "defensive" pair, whether that is with OEL or McCabe. Tanev with those guys, makes the team better than with Rielly.

I haven't been able to follow as closely this year, did we try Rielly-McCabe while OEL-Tanev were together?

 

[Torontonian]

Even as someone who claimed some interest in Jones... Yeah, I wouldn't go near that now. lol

Its too much money for someone that doesn't move the needle drastically. You can find someone of value like Jones, but for cheaper cap wise.

 

[Fogelhund]

I haven't been able to follow as closely this year, did we try Rielly-McCabe while OEL-Tanev were together?

Rielly McCabe and Rielly OEL have been... Ok... and that's about it. Not good, not bad...

Rielly is a talented player, but not exactly easy to find the right partner for... it's always been difficult.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Parayko
Schenn

To Blues-
Domi
Jarnkrok
Timmins
Minten
Cowan
1st Round Pick