Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[rumman]

I mean, it's happened before... he looked good with Schenn, Bush the first time, and with Hainsey.

Even putting that aside for a minute, it does make sense to upgrade the D no?

I hear you, but all those players were literally years ago, I mean is Hainsey even still alive? Mo’s been a good soldier, but he’s going downhill fast with serious brake fade……..

 

[ToneDog]

I hear you, but all those players were literally years ago, I mean is Hainsey even still alive? Mo’s been a good soldier, but he’s going downhill fast with serious brake fade……..

Hainsey was handing out medals last night.

 

[BurnTheBoats]

we just need to move Matthew's and his lack of emotions, guys a stone...gives us the ability to sign McDavid as well.

I dunno man, i like him as a player but somthing tells me he's one of those guys that will never win a cup....like he just doesn't care, its all about his points and money.

Even the handshake with Marner like come on, if that was Sundin or any previous captain they would have been happy for him and shown true emotions....guy just went stone cold, thats not a leader

And as for everyone wanting to move young players that's stupidity, maybe picks but only for a young player with upside or top player that can make an impact come playoffs.

If we fall back into this trap of making stupid moves for old players so we can be the best for the next year haha we will continue to fail.....reality is, this roster needs a change to win a cup & some of these young prospects need to show up.

With our luck, Matthew's will get injured game1 and we will have to continue with his rehab....i feel its best we move him now before he loses value or gets injured long term and we're out a top center.

 

[The Shadow]

we just need to move Matthew's and his lack of emotions, guys a stone...gives us the ability to sign McDavid as well.

I dunno man, i like him as a player but somthing tells me he's one of those guys that will never win a cup....like he just doesn't care, its all about his points and money.

Even the handshake with Marner like come on, if that was Sundin or any previous captain they would have been happy for him and shown true emotions....guy just went stone cold, thats not a leader

And as for everyone wanting to move young players that's stupidity, maybe picks but only for a young player with upside or top player that can make an impact come playoffs.

If we fall back into this trap of making stupid moves for old players so we can be the best for the next year haha we will continue to fail.....reality is, this roster needs a change to win a cup & some of these young prospects need to show up.

With our luck, Matthew's will get injured game1 and we will have to continue with his rehab....i feel its best we move him now before he loses value or gets injured long term and we're out a top center.

I wouldn’t be opposed to moving Matthews provided the return makes sense.

 

[BurnTheBoats]

How many young players have we moved since this rebuild for teee rash, only for them to turn out to be huge contributors on there respectful teams come playoffs

People wanting to move Cowan for nothing, haha come on....this kid has huge upside if we give him a damn chance...same goes for Steeves and quite a few prospects in our system

 

[ULF_55]

I wouldn’t be opposed to moving Matthews provided the return makes sense.

IMO

That should be the idea of every trade.

Sure it is unreasonable, but McDavid/Makar/... for Matthews.

Oilers/Avs/... say no, but Leafs don't.

McDavid > Matthews

But more realistically, it wouldn't be a one for one type of deal.

Matthews plays with marner all the time.
Does that diminish his value?
Draisaitl plays with McDavid quite often/ frequently.
Does that diminish his value?

Draisaitl and Bouchard
for
Matthews and Timmins

Hell no, says some or everyone?

My guess you'd be looking at first line player(s), first pairing defender(s) but not Rocket, Hart, Lindsay, Norris level players.

 

[Kiwi]

How many young players have we moved since this rebuild for teee rash, only for them to turn out to be huge contributors on there respectful teams come playoffs

People wanting to move Cowan for nothing, haha come on....this kid has huge upside if we give him a damn chance...same goes for Steeves and quite a few prospects in our system

Our major problem is we're trying to win now so we have only so many spots for younger guys and prospects to grab

I want to give Steeves a look to but he's going to have to do something pretty spectacular with almost zero help to pull it off and get himself a top 9 job

We traded Moore to LA before we knew what he was, Marchment, McMann has been on waivers, Robertson is probably gone soon to

Unfortunately it's just where we are in the cycle and at times an inability to realize what we've got in house

 

[nuck]

I'd offer to give Marner one of the richest contracts...

14M x 8 (2M deferred per year for a 12M cap hit)
Full NMC
Signing bonuses

Another team needs to offer 16M x 7 to beat that and likely can't do our signing bonuses.

I think our equalizer is going to be a combination of signing bonuses and deferrals.

I would have no interest in Marner at anything close to $14M even with deferral. They would be hoping to improve the lineup off of cap growth alone, and every other club is getting that same growth. If he wants McDavid/Drai/McKinnon money he needs to score 15 or 20 more goals a season. These salaries because the guys are "just that good" aren't converting to wins.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I would have no interest in Marner at anything close to $14M even with deferral. They would be hoping to improve the lineup off of cap growth alone, and every other club is getting that same growth. If he wants McDavid/Drai/McKinnon money he needs to score 15 or 20 more goals a season. These salaries because the guys are "just that good" aren't converting to wins.

He had 26 in 69 last year, 31 goal pace

30 and 35 the years before that for goals...

On pace for 24 this year, I think he will land around 28-30.

 

[Zero1]

IMO

That should be the idea of every trade.

Sure it is unreasonable, but McDavid/Makar/... for Matthews.

Oilers/Avs/... say no, but Leafs don't.

McDavid > Matthews

But more realistically, it wouldn't be a one for one type of deal.

Matthews plays with marner all the time.
Does that diminish his value?
Draisaitl plays with McDavid quite often/ frequently.
Does that diminish his value?

Draisaitl and Bouchard
for
Matthews and Timmins

Hell no, says some or everyone?

My guess you'd be looking at first line player(s), first pairing defender(s) but not Rocket, Hart, Lindsay, Norris level players.

If the Leafs were offered a package around Brayden Point or Jack Hughes for Matthews, I would probably do it.

 

[Menzinger]

I can't wrap my head around how awful these new goalie contracts are. There are going to be some regrettable decisions in there.

The biggest take away is absolutely nobody, including those getting paid an awful lot of money know how to predict goaltending.

It's all guesswork. The future is definitely betting on tandems and banking on of your choices gets hot at the right time

 

[WTFMAN99]

The biggest take away is absolutely nobody, including those getting paid an awful lot of money know how to predict goaltending.

It's all guesswork. The future is definitely betting on tandems and banking on of your choices gets hot at the right time

I feel nice about that Woll contract right now.

 

[thusk]

How many times has a player left Buffalo, only to become much better elsewhere?

He was nearly 0.5PPG in his rookie season, and has regressed there since. He put up 43 points, in 24 games in the WHL the season before, and outscored Byfield on the same team, at the World Juniors. He put up 8 points in 7 games at the WJC. His primary linemates are Lafferty, and Malenstyn, guys with 5 points, and 9 points. It's like throwing a young player out there with Kampf and Dewar, and saying... look, he can't produce. He barely got any AHL development time, and the Sabres are terrible at developing players.

Could he become just a fourth liner... ya, it's possible, though most of his production has been in and around third line production so far. Could he become more... yes, that's possible. But then, he's young, he's cheap, and wouldn't cost much. I'd rather gamble on that, than an aging, and declining player, that will be a UFA. At worst, he's a 3C, who is a RFA in 2026, who you are going to have control of for years. We need at least a 3C.... it solves a hole at worst... at best, he becomes more.

I think Buffalo is at the point where they are going to make changes, just because nothing has worked for them at all. IMO, the need to go out and replace a bunch of their lineup, with veterans, who can teach their kids to play. They need a reset, and there are rumours of a rebuild... which is weird, don't you have to build something, before you rebuild it?

Maybe he isn't available... but I think there is more there, and I think he'd be cheap in every way. What do I know... Tre, give them a call and find out.

1-Im agree some player step up out of Buffalo like oreilly, reinhart, montour but ...They're even more player who didn't become nothing more outside of Buffalo

Nylander, apslund, mittelstadt, Ristolainen, Grigorenko, marcus foligno, Myers, just to name couple of exemple i have in mind.

2- Everything you said, we can say basically the same thing with Robertson. That's not making him a better NHL player.

Right now i don't think krebs is a pretty huge upgrade of what leafs already have... so like i said if its doesn't come with a low price, no thanks. If he come cheap, im not against to try it...

 

[MarMarSab3]

If the Leafs were offered a package around Brayden Point or Jack Hughes for Matthews, I would probably do it.

Point yes Hughes no

 

[MarMarSab3]

Hintz + Harley
For
Matthews

Who says no?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Hintz + Harley
For
Matthews

Who says no?

If you knew you could sign McDavid...

Matthews for Harley and Johnston?

I'd add something if need be.

 

[MarMarSab3]

If you knew you could sign McDavid...

Matthews for Harley and Johnston?

I'd add something if need be.

I was thinking more for salary balancing but yes love that package

 

[ULF_55]

Point yes Hughes no

Maybe he meant Quinn?

 

[MarMarSab3]

Maybe he meant Quinn?

That would be tempting

 

[Martin Skoula]

I would take Parayko over Jones as well. I’d be happy with either or tbh lol… I wouldn’t want to move Knies in any package however.

If we had a different style forward with the same value as Knies, no problem. Power forwards suck to move because you can almost never replace them with a FA, by the time they hit 27 or whenever they hit UFA for the first time you’re paying 150% market value on their scoring rate for a guy with 2-3 impact years left before his body breaks down.

 

[ULF_55]

If we had a different style forward with the same value as Knies, no problem. Power forwards suck to move because you can almost never replace them with a FA, by the time they hit 27 or whenever they hit UFA for the first time you’re paying 150% market value on their scoring rate for a guy with 2-3 impact years left before his body breaks down.

I do have a nagging concern about Knies though.

Eric Lindros syndrome.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

He is a niche talent. If there are clubs that have well an ample cap $7M is no stretch IMO. If it’s a year ago does Trotz pay him 7ish or Stamkos 8? There are ten teams with $28M or more in cap space next summer and most aren't spending 20 of it on two guys. and he has his Cup so does he just chase the money? Teams like Chicago or Buffalo who are desperate to change their direction might pay whatever it takes. He is playing 17:00 a night so that doesn't scream #2 C. To me he doesn't fit with any Canadian team except maybe Winny when Ehlers walks. But do players go from Florida to Manitoba?

Bennett has 3 clear choices. Decent cash and winning culture in Florida.
There are definitely some junk teams with cash that will see him as a culture changer and throw the bag at him.
I think there are repeated stories of his love of leafs so that would be the only thing bringing him to Toronto.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Kampf has had his minutes slashed and he's been incapable of playing higher in the roster despite the huge need of it. You can replace him with about any other capable center and you'd get similar results for a fraction of the price. If they plan on adding a player or two, you have to slash his useless cap. Something has to give.

Timmins might be a RHD but I think they'll grab someone they like more.

I still see Kampf out somehow and Sundqvist from STL in. Plays the role more physical for 1 mil and 1 year less and played for Berube.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

IMO

That should be the idea of every trade.

Sure it is unreasonable, but McDavid/Makar/... for Matthews.

Oilers/Avs/... say no, but Leafs don't.

McDavid > Matthews

But more realistically, it wouldn't be a one for one type of deal.

Matthews plays with marner all the time.
Does that diminish his value?
Draisaitl plays with McDavid quite often/ frequently.
Does that diminish his value?

Draisaitl and Bouchard
for
Matthews and Timmins

Hell no, says some or everyone?

My guess you'd be looking at first line player(s), first pairing defender(s) but not Rocket, Hart, Lindsay, Norris level players.

Matthews to the Rangers for Trochek, Lafrenerie, Cuyle and Schneider.

 

[arso40]

If the Leafs were offered a package around Brayden Point or Jack Hughes for Matthews, I would probably do it.

He signed I don’t even understand hypothetical scenarios around Matthews

If you knew you could sign McDavid...

Matthews for Harley and Johnston?

I'd add something if need be.

I rather roope