Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[Fogelhund]

I could see a team giving him something like 3/4 X 8 M or like 6 X 6M but 6 x8M for a 33 YO who's never be a superstar.

Get ready for Salary inflation.

What part would you disagree with.

1. One of the top UFA C's available in 2025, possibly the top guy.
2. Many teams need a C.

Supply and demand with...

the Cap going to

• 2025-26: $95.5 million, with a floor of $70.6 million
• 2026-27: $104 million, with a floor of $76.9 million
• 2027-28: $113.5 million, with a floor of $83.9 million

Every year, teams bid on the top players by position, and overpay horrendously. This Grandlund contract could be one of the more regrettable ones we see.

 

[thewave]

Get ready for Salary inflation.

What part would you disagree with.

1. One of the top UFA C's available in 2025, possibly the top guy.
2. Many teams need a C.

Supply and demand with...

the Cap going to

• 2025-26: $95.5 million, with a floor of $70.6 million
• 2026-27: $104 million, with a floor of $76.9 million
• 2027-28: $113.5 million, with a floor of $83.9 million

Every year, teams bid on the top players by position, and overpay horrendously. This Grandlund contract could be one of the more regrettable ones we see.

So many economists are saying recession coming and housing correction. Commercial as well. How are they getting such numbers? All based on TV deals? Rogers should let Bell and Amazon bid out on TV rights.

Numbers are sus to me.

 

[Martin Skoula]

So many economists are saying recession coming and housing correction. Commercial as well. How are they getting such numbers? All based on TV deals? Rogers should let Bell and Amazon bid out on TV rights.

Numbers are sus to me.

The money printers are going to turn back on and most everyone is so checked out that they’ll spend it on entertainment to numb themselves from reality while they still can.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Seth Jones 3.5-4.5M retained for Domi + ?
Kovacevic as a UFA

I don't know what else is really available to us.

Jake Walman?

 

[Fogelhund]

So many economists are saying recession coming and housing correction. Commercial as well. How are they getting such numbers? All based on TV deals? Rogers should let Bell and Amazon bid out on TV rights.

Numbers are sus to me.

The numbers shocked me. But I doubt the economy will fall apart fast enough to drastically affect next years numbers..... so, the contracts this July will likely reflect the proposed new numbers. As far as my belief in the economy being that strong for three years... I doubt it.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Jake Walman?

Left shot, we need a RD.

 

[nuck]

Get ready for Salary inflation.

What part would you disagree with.

1. One of the top UFA C's available in 2025, possibly the top guy.
2. Many teams need a C.

Supply and demand with...

the Cap going to

• 2025-26: $95.5 million, with a floor of $70.6 million
• 2026-27: $104 million, with a floor of $76.9 million
• 2027-28: $113.5 million, with a floor of $83.9 million

Every year, teams bid on the top players by position, and overpay horrendously. This Grandlund contract could be one of the more regrettable ones we see.

Can't see him getting over 7 and 7ish would be to a club that thinks they are a 2c away. I don't think he is a 20 goal scorer if he isn't getting 20:00 a night.

 

[Zero1]

To me, I'd completely discounted Duchene as a guy for us.... He seems to like Dallas, and didn't grow up a Leafs fan at all. He's played on a real discount... $3 mil, and he's PPG, clearly one of the best value for the $ contracts in the NHL. If you could sign Tavares AND Duchene at $10 mil between them, that would provide a great 2/3 C punch... I don't care how you divide the dollars up. Duchene is from Haliburton, so there is that.

Term is what would be important to him rather than AAV in my opinion. He’s been signing 1-year contracts the last few years. I don’t know if Dallas would give him term.

I don’t think others would have an issue if JT came in at $5 mill AAV or less. There’s just no way the Leafs should pay him $7+ mill AAV when he doesn’t really fit.

 

[ULF_55]

The numbers shocked me. But I doubt the economy will fall apart fast enough to drastically affect next years numbers..... so, the contracts this July will likely reflect the proposed new numbers. As far as my belief in the economy being that strong for three years... I doubt it.

The next brilliant time to repeat a GM's gamble that the Cap is going to dramatically increase and make overpayments easily absorbed.

Huzzah

 

[darrylsittler27]

So, Minten and Grebs sat out. Traveling knows he has to go for it now. Marner and Tavares may not even be back. We can't justify more than 5 mill for Tavares. My guess, Laughton and Schenn.

 

[SprDaVE]

So, Minten and Grebs sat out. Traveling knows he has to go for it now. Marner and Tavares may not even be back. We can't justify more than 5 mill for Tavares. My guess, Laughton and Schenn.

I know beat writers and insiders are all off to cover the tournament but it's interesting that no one has really reported on it. It might just be nothing of note though and just players that couldn't play for one reason or another, not necessarily for trade reasons.

 

[Dreakmur]

Left shot, we need a RD.

We need a D who can play the right side. Shooting right-handed is just a bonus.

Brian Dumoulin plays both sides. Specializes as a stabilizer for risky offensive partners. Has the size (6’4”) that both Tre and Bérubé want. Is available and likely at a reasonable cost, even at 50% retained.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We need a D who can play the right side. Shooting right-handed is just a bonus.

Brian Dumoulin plays both sides. Specializes as a stabilizer for risky offensive partners. Has the size (6’4”) that both Tre and Bérubé want. Is available and likely at a reasonable cost, even at 50% retained.

He looked cooked on Pittsburgh, I would be surprised if he rebounded.

Plus after years of making do with left shot RD like Brodie and then getting a beauty like Tanev, I just want the real thing lol.

 

[Dreakmur]

He looked cooked on Pittsburgh, I would be surprised if he rebounded.

Plus after years of making do with left shot RD like Brodie and then getting a beauty like Tanev, I just want the real thing lol.

He‘s no longer the guy who can lead a blueline to Cup like he did in 2017, but he could easily be a great fit with Rielly. That would allow us to keep McCabe-Tanev together and use OEL to carry whoever plays #6.

We still don’t have a good top pairing, but that’s good depth.

 

[LeafSteel]

We need a D who can play the right side. Shooting right-handed is just a bonus.

Brian Dumoulin plays both sides. Specializes as a stabilizer for risky offensive partners. Has the size (6’4”) that both Tre and Bérubé want. Is available and likely at a reasonable cost, even at 50% retained.

Absolutely done with LHD playing RHD. It just isn’t the same, and you are just bringing in a guy to play him in a role at less than 100% of his capabilities, while continuing to fail to address RHD in a permanent meaningful way.

Not thanks. Done with watching LHD to LHD awkward passes and inability to cleanly exit the zone. Get a real RHD, doesn’t have to be Parayko or Dobson, but someone who can play 2RHD and end LHD band aid fixes.

 

[Rare Jewel]

A Donato/Jones deal may be worth a look if Chicago retains on the latter.

 

[Warrior16]

A Donato/Jones deal may be worth a look if Chicago retains on the latter.

Could send Kampf and probably Domi out of necessity the other way too, along with a little retention, might not be the worst thing. Could still get say Schenn and Bjugstad/Krebs in smaller deals to fill out the roster.

 

[WTFMAN99]

So the consensus with Chicago was they could expect an asset or 2 if they retained 50% on Seth Jones, this isn't quite 50%. Domi had success with Chicago, a 1st and Niemela/Reaves are guys they can test drive themselves. Open to a different prospect of their choice in place of Niemela, within reason.

Flyers deal, I loathe to give up Grebenkin but apparently he hasn't played with the Marlies since we demoted him.

Some decent assets going out the door but getting multiple runs with the pieces.

Lizotte is a good 4C that can PK and do so a bit cheaper than Kampf.

 

[DougGilmour93]

So the consensus with Chicago was they could expect an asset or 2 if they retained 50% on Seth Jones, this isn't quite 50%. Domi had success with Chicago, a 1st and Niemela/Reaves are guys they can test drive themselves. Open to a different prospect of their choice in place of Niemela, within reason.

Flyers deal, I loathe to give up Grebenkin but apparently he hasn't played with the Marlies since we demoted him.

Some decent assets going out the door but getting multiple runs with the pieces.

Lizotte is a good 4C that can PK and do so a bit cheaper than Kampf.
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Noooooo!
Keep Grebenkin!

 

[SprDaVE]

A Donato/Jones deal may be worth a look if Chicago retains on the latter.

Getting them to retain any legitimate amount of money for the length of that contract is going to be very hard. He's signed until 2030. The Leafs in particular would need them to retain at least 3M, on top of getting a dump. They are a team that wants to improve and they will probably start getting active, and thus will need all the cap space they can get. I just don't see it.

You might as well go for Karlsson at that point. Pittsburgh probably would be fine with retaining for 2 more seasons. They gain back 2 retention slots July 1st.

 

[Menzinger]

Seth Jones 3.5-4.5M retained for Domi + ?
Kovacevic as a UFA

I don't know what else is really available to us.

The might retain but probably only 1-2 mil at most

 

[WTFMAN99]

Getting them to retain any legitimate amount of money for the length of that contract would hurt a lot. He's signed until 2030. They are a team that wants to improve and they will probably start getting active, and thus will need all the cap space they can get. I just don't see it.

They retained 2M on McCabe for like 2.5 years

If you get them 3.75M retained...it's basically the only way they can move the contract. Apparently they really want to move the contract according to the Athletic article. Teams have called on him but the consensus was it'll take like 50% retained to get teams to actually give them something for him versus just giving him away.

3.75M retained isn't so bad....4.75M...we'd need to add a lot more, it would hurt a bit.

I'm just going by the article though.

 

[jaric1862]

Have to be really cautious about guys like Jake Evans and Ryan Donato ... Both are having career years shooting above 15%.

That production is likely not sustainable and can't be relied upon in the playoff.

 

[thusk]

So the consensus with Chicago was they could expect an asset or 2 if they retained 50% on Seth Jones, this isn't quite 50%. Domi had success with Chicago, a 1st and Niemela/Reaves are guys they can test drive themselves. Open to a different prospect of their choice in place of Niemela, within reason.

Flyers deal, I loathe to give up Grebenkin but apparently he hasn't played with the Marlies since we demoted him.

Some decent assets going out the door but getting multiple runs with the pieces.

Lizotte is a good 4C that can PK and do so a bit cheaper than Kampf.
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You will never get Jones at this salary for 5 years for this price , you can easily add cowan +and more

 

[Dreakmur]

You will never get Jones at this salary for 5 years for this price , you can easily add cowan +and more

He's only got 3 years left after this season, but you're correct about the price. Just getting them to retain that much would be expensive.... then you also pay for a top pairing defenseman on a sweetheart deal.

You're looking at a first and Cowan.... and likely quite a bit more.