Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[Americanadian]

Who, that isn't a broken down, is available?

I am not sure who is and is not available. I am sure that Laughton does not fit the criteria outlined in the original post I quoted.

If you are asking what I would do I posted it here:

My current dream deadline:

To NJ: Kampf
To TOR: Bastian
*NJD need a solid 4C - Kampf was one of Keefe’s favorites.

To NSH: Domi, Timmins, 25 3rd
To TOR: Schenn, Jankowski
*I am assuming Domi doesn’t have Nashville on his no-trade list. Players generally see it as a good place to play. Leafs pick up a RD that elevated Rielly in the past, they also pick up a decent 4C with size and another year at 800k. Nashville needs scoring - Domi needs a reset. They might see upside.

To VGK: Dewar, Rakell
To PIT: Minten, Korczak, Robertson, VGK 25 2nd
To TOR: Roy
*VGK have significant C depth, they need another good winger but they also need cap space to pull off that move. Pittsburgh gets good young pieces in exchange for their biggest trade chip which they appear to value over draft picks according to the latest 32 thoughts pod. Minten and Robertson are Dubas/Clarke picks.

Knies-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Roy-Nylander
Pacioretty-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Lorentz-Jankowski-Bastian
Holmberg-Reaves

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Schenn
OEL-Myers
Benoit-Hakanpaa

This 24 player roster would allow them to pay Pacioretty’s bonus this season and not carry it over to next year (clear by 210k). This would also clear longer term cap hits with Kampf and Domi. Jankowski and Schenn carry one more year each.

 

[TMLAM34]

Either go big game hunting and acquire Cozens or spend limited assets and acquire someone like Krebs and hope for the best with this core 4 leading the way.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Either go big game hunting and acquire Cozens or spend limited assets and acquire someone like Krebs and hope for the best with this core 4 leading the way.

Control and terms are definitely important, but that comes with a cost. I am not sure how Buffalo feels about trading with their neighbour, and I'm also not sure what we can offer for Cozens.

Quinn, as well, could be an interesting pickup.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Control and terms are definitely important, but that comes with a cost. I am not sure how Buffalo feels about trading with their neighbour, and I'm also not sure what we can offer for Cozens.

Quinn, as well, could be an interesting pickup.

Quinn is totally buy low, may be a reason they don't deal him.

Someone like Cozens or Byram are guys I can get behind a Cowan+ asset going because they have term, young and fit our timeline.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Quinn is totally buy low, may be a reason they don't deal him.

Someone like Cozens or Byram are guys I can get behind a Cowan+ asset going because they have term, young and fit our timeline.

Cowan, Minten + 1st and cap fillers is easily something I can get behind for Cozens and Byram

 

[ACC1224]

Quinn is totally buy low, may be a reason they don't deal him.

Someone like Cozens or Byram are guys I can get behind a Cowan+ asset going because they have term, young and fit our timeline.

I've seen Cozens name posted here for weeks now. Why would Buffalo want to move him?

 

[Fogelhund]

I've seen Cozens name posted here for weeks now. Why would Buffalo want to move him?

I can't figure that out myself, other than to just make some changes. Friedman brought up that Detroit was looking at him... someone else floated an idea that he could get moved for DeBrincat.... I don't know if there is smoke, or if it's just rumours.

Do we have a DeBrincat level player we can afford to move, to compete with a Detroit offer like that, if it came?

 

[Maple Leaf]

Trade as many players as you can since the core of the apple is stale as they come

 

[nuck]

I've seen Cozens name posted here for weeks now. Why would Buffalo want to move him?

We don't know that they would. But he signed to 7 x $7.1M during his breakout year and has delivered 18G and some lesser number this year since then. Still only plays 17 minutes a night for them and has shown no growth under two coaches. Whatever positives the Sabres have right now he isn't one of them. But were he to move it makes sense they would want a young actual NHL player, not picks and prospects as the core of the return. So perhaps getable for the right price but maybe not by the Leafs.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Quinn is totally buy low, may be a reason they don't deal him.

Someone like Cozens or Byram are guys I can get behind a Cowan+ asset going because they have term, young and fit our timeline.

Possibly, and I don't know if they've got enough for him even. But sometimes, that's when you've got to ante up and get the player because that may be the only time that player will be available.

Also, I don't think Cowan+ anything outside of Knies gets Byram and Cozens done.

 

[thusk]

more i think about it and more i see Kunin like a great fit in Toronto...

An under to radar player who will cost what a 3rd or 4th pick

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah, because I'm not the GM.... even if I suggest something, what weight does it have? Even if I do, you won't entertain the idea anyway. I mean, It's nearly as vague as you saying, "we have to stick with this model"

I'd entertain any idea that makes us better. The issue is, nobody has one. Saying that I want to re-sign Marner is pretty clear, and that pathway doesn't require naming alternatives to replace his impact.

I don't care about Dubas, as I said before, I've got very little interest in talking about him and dealing with your hurt pride over the guy. If you think he's perfect, then great.

I don't care about Dubas either, beyond the good he did for this team, and I don't think he's perfect. In fact, that's kind of the whole point. You don't need to be perfect to find effective, efficient depth. We should be more than capable of doing that. That's what successful teams do. That's what we need; not more cap space to pile onto the tens of millions in extra cap space that we're already getting over the next few years. Especially not at the expense of one of the best players in the league.

Danford is not a very good pick. As for the future picks, we'll see what becomes of them. If they get traded for guys we keep for more than one spring or actually get used, then that's fine. But if they continue to use high picks to plug holes in the team, only for them not to stay, then it's just more of this Folingo/O'Reilly nonsense.

So Danford went from 1st round pick to worthless in 7 months? Yikes. Why are you even worried about trading 1st round picks then? Apparently they lose all value once we use them anyway.

Foligno and O'Rielly are actually the only two times that we've used a 1st round pick on a rental in the Matthews era, and I don't even think either were intended to be rentals. Foligno just got injured with us, and Treliving couldn't convince O'Rielly to stay.

If things were going as well as they were in those years, I'd be more open to using a 1st on a rental, but with how things have unfolded this year, I'd rather not. That said, we have to do something. We can't just sit on all of these issues and flush a year down the toilet when the East and division is finally so wide open.

Not for $14m for 8 years, sorry. Go look at Stephen's post with some comparative numbers.

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Sure seems like he's a 90-point scorer to me. And if I'm signing Mitch into his mid-30s where his offensive numbers will likely decline, I'd like the contract to represent 94, 97, 99 points, not the projected/paced numbers.

And also, let's be real; only agents would care about something like that, and I'm tired of getting bullied by agents in negotiations for these guys.

It feels inevitable that any eventual contract renewal with Marner will bake in the historic overpayment in as the foundation, but you bring up an interesting sore spot around the question of being a 90+ point...

• Stephen

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If he'll do something like 12x3, then maybe. But I see no reason to go that heavy and hard for a guy and group that really hasn't won. So, I seriously dispute that he's earned the kind of contract you would give.

I've already addressed how misleading Stephen's post was. Since 2020, Marner is one of only 5 players to pace for 100+ points every year. He's 6th in points, 5th in P/GP, 5th in 5v5 points, 4th in 5v5 P/60, 7th in PP P/60, while providing high end defense and PKing against the toughest matchups. He's earned more than you'll give him credit for, and his loss would be more impactful than you realize.

Yeah, It's all Treliving fault. There is no blame for the previous guy at all, who held the job for 6 years.

Dubas had the job for 5 years. I don't know why you keep saying 6. He's also been gone for 2 years, and isn't the one causing these issues. Treliving is.

I mean KD didn't have to get bent over in negotiations. Perhaps then we would've already had the benefit of the rising cap, but now it's still likely to be an overpayment, with the likelihood of having to wait a few years for cap space to open, and by then, how old is the core going to be and what actually been accomplished?

He didnt. He paid what they had earned, consistent with league history. You just choose not to accept how good they were. There also wasn't any rising cap to benefit from. The only one to get bent over in a core negotiation is Treliving with Nylander. But even then, it's manageable with the rising cap.

We don't need to wait years. There are going to be significant increases every year, and we have an opportunity to take advantage. Matthews and Marner are also still only 27, for the record.

This is the question that you seemingly have no answer to, they haven't done anything. Why persist with it especially if they fall again this year?

I don't care if you think they haven't done anything in the past. I care about what gives us the best chance at a cup moving forward.

What? Aren't you the one already judging it to be a loss for Colorado? Necas has had a pretty good start in Denver, so let's wait a bit.

You're the one who's trying to use Colorado to make your point. I'm sure Necas will get some of the point inflation that Rantanen benefited from, but it's currently a downgrade for their team.

36 games, In the playoffs? Just stop...The overall impact is not much for him or the team. and it's not more impact than the other stars we've come up against, such as Pasternak, Tkachuk, Barkov, or Kucherov, so I don't know why we should be in such a hurry to pay him more than them.

36 games is 36 games. It being the playoffs only magnifies the issues with small samples. You underrate his overall impact, and overrate the impacts of others. Matthews and Marner do generally outperform their opposition.

Yes, I'd agree with some of that; however, let's not overcomplicate it or make it too abstract. Marner is already paid a lot of money to produce, as are his core teammates, and generally, they've been disappointing. Would you not agree?

They are paid for their overall games. I am disappointed with the team outcomes, and I am disappointed with many of the situations we have experienced, and when you lose by such tiny margins, there is obviously disappointment with everybody that they couldn't find that one more goal. But overall, Marner has been a strong playoff performer, and many of the struggles that our core have had are struggles that top players pretty universally have in the same situations. Blaming him is misguided, and purging him will just lead to more disappointment. They are our best chance at a cup.

I'm not changing anything; the numbers that he's actually put on the board throughout what is likely his offensive prime is somewhere between 90-99 points. That's what you're banking on. As I said before, only an agent views it in such terms. Any GM worth their salt should be cutting through that BS.

99 points is different than 90 points, and yes, ignoring pace and the level he actually performs at is attempting to change the way NHL contracts work. No GM has ever operated that way.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've seen Cozens name posted here for weeks now. Why would Buffalo want to move him?

I can't figure that out myself, other than to just make some changes. Friedman brought up that Detroit was looking at him... someone else floated an idea that he could get moved for DeBrincat.... I don't know if there is smoke, or if it's just rumours.

Do we have a DeBrincat level player we can afford to move, to compete with a Detroit offer like that, if it came?

Possibly, and I don't know if they've got enough for him even. But sometimes, that's when you've got to ante up and get the player because that may be the only time that player will be available.

Also, I don't think Cowan+ anything outside of Knies gets Byram and Cozens done.

I'd really need to know what Knies is looking for, he's already had 2 concussions.

In terms of why Cozens is available, I asked the same question near the beginning of the season when that was coming out.

Everything from Friedman etc all basically made it seem like "It's not going well, gotta do something." - Even Owen Power didn't seem 100% untouchable.