Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[Rare Jewel]

It’s not about have 3 expensive players, but replacing 1 expensive player with 2 mediocre players isn’t a recipe for success. You make cap space when you need cap space. You don’t make cap space and use it immediately on players that don’t move the needle for the sake of change.

Well, I would say those two are better than mediocre but w/e.

But that's not the only option; as I said in a previous post, get an FA or trade acquisition to give you 70% of Marner's offence for roughly half the cost, then spread the money out.

 

[ULF_55]

Saad to Vegas apparently

Good choice for Saad.

Vegas is probably going to be a favorite and usually will find some LTIR space near the end of February, that'll last 6 weeks.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You think career 50-60 point Brock Boeser and Nick Ehlers who can’t defend are worth a combined 16 mill but 90 point Selke nominee Marner doesn’t make sense at 12.5-13?

If Rantanen makes it to FA than yes, as an alternative to Marner it makes a lot of sense. But letting Marner walk for Ehlers and Boeser is a hilariously bad take.

Boeser had 73 pts last year and 40 goals in 81GP, he is on pace for 63 pts
Ehlers had 61 pts in 82 gp last year and on pace for 88 pts

151 pts for 15-16M vs 90 pts for 12.5-13M?

You being opposed to that is actually a hilariously bad take.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Saad to Vegas apparently

Of course.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Saad to Vegas apparently

Nice.
Tough call between the Knights and Stars to come out of the west.
Cup is heading West this year.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Nice.
Tough call between the Knights and Stars to come out of the west.
Cup is heading West this year.

Dallas better fix their RD spot first.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Dallas better fix their RD spot first.

I think they might overpay to dump Dumba in the same deal, it hasn't worked out.

The other idea or question in my mind, with the cap going up so much, is the buriable threshold going to increase? Like is Reaves able to be completely buried next year now?

 

[Legion34]

assuming no 1sts involved is this basically Domi + Minten for Frost + Farabee?

More like Robertson. 5’9 23 year old with 4 goals

 

[SprDaVE]

More like Robertson. 5’9 23 year old with 4 goals

Robertson has as many goals this season than Pelletier has in his career... and that's with a career low shooting percentage.

 

[ULF_55]

Have the Flyers thrown in the towel for this year?

Are they looking for any more Russians to play with Michkov?


Leafs: Kampf, Robertson, Grebenkin
Flyers: Cates/Laughton
Hawks: Mikheyev, ?Murphy?

Hawks: Kampf, Robertson, + ?something?
Flyers: Grebenkin, Mikheyev
Leafs: Cates/Laughton+, +?Murphy?

Hawks can retain on 1 more.

Picks included ...

 

[SprDaVE]

Have the Flyers thrown in the towel for this year?

Are they looking for any more Russians to play with Michkov?


Leafs: Kampf, Robertson, Grebenkin
Flyers: Cates/Laughton
Hawks: Mikheyev, ?Murphy?

Hawks: Kampf, Robertson, + ?something?
Flyers: Grebenkin, Mikheyev
Leafs: Cates/Laughton+, +?Murphy?

Hawks can retain on 1 more.

Picks included ...

I think they are fully committed to the rebuild via draft. They have 7 picks in the first 2 rounds for the upcoming draft, could have even more by then too. Not sure what's their plan since they still have long-term players like Couturier, Konecny, Tippett, Sanheim, etc.

Leafs have been linked to Laughton for awhile. Drysdale has struggled immensely but I was a huge fan of his game in his draft year... no idea where it went wrong but could be someone they look at dumping as well.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I think they might overpay to dump Dumba in the same deal, it hasn't worked out.

The other idea or question in my mind, with the cap going up so much, is the buriable threshold going to increase? Like is Reaves able to be completely buried next year now?

I'm not sure. I thought it was fixed at 925K because of the high point of ELCs without bonuses.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm not sure. I thought it was fixed at 925K because of the high point of ELCs without bonuses.

There is the added $375k.

Minimum NHL Salary & Buried Cap Hit | Puckpedia

The minimum NHL Salary is set in the CBA (11.12.a) and is as follows: 2012-13 – U.S. $525,0002013-14 – U.S. $550,0002014-15 – U.S. $550,0002015-16 – U.S. $575,0002016-17 – U.S. $575,0002017-18 – U.S. $650,0002018-19 – U.S. $650,000 2019-20 – U.S. $700,0002020-21 – U.S. $700,0002021-22 – U.S...

puckpedia.com

The amount of Cap Relief that a team gets from assigning a player to the AHL is the lesser of their Cap Hit and the NHL Minimum Salary + $375,000 (Buried Threshold). Therefore, if a player with a Cap Hit less than the Buried Threshold is sent down, their full Cap Hit no longer counts on the Team's total cap hit. If a player has a Cap Hit greater than the Buried Threshold, if they are sent to AHL the team's Cap Hit is the player Cap Hit - Buried Threshold. The Buried Threshold is as follows

 

[WTFMAN99]

There is the added $375k.

Minimum NHL Salary & Buried Cap Hit | Puckpedia

The minimum NHL Salary is set in the CBA (11.12.a) and is as follows: 2012-13 – U.S. $525,0002013-14 – U.S. $550,0002014-15 – U.S. $550,0002015-16 – U.S. $575,0002016-17 – U.S. $575,0002017-18 – U.S. $650,0002018-19 – U.S. $650,000 2019-20 – U.S. $700,0002020-21 – U.S. $700,0002021-22 – U.S...

puckpedia.com

The amount of Cap Relief that a team gets from assigning a player to the AHL is the lesser of their Cap Hit and the NHL Minimum Salary + $375,000 (Buried Threshold). Therefore, if a player with a Cap Hit less than the Buried Threshold is sent down, their full Cap Hit no longer counts on the Team's total cap hit. If a player has a Cap Hit greater than the Buried Threshold, if they are sent to AHL the team's Cap Hit is the player Cap Hit - Buried Threshold. The Buried Threshold is as follows

It might be a wrinkle to come out but do you think they're going to increase the minimum? You'd think given the cap is going up like 3M and then 10M + 10M

 

[Jacquestrapless]

 

[WTFMAN99]

I cannot see a Minten or Cowan trade happening for a rental? An age appropriate person that'll be long term? Sure but we saw Frost and Farabee basically just cost a 2nd.

 

[Fogelhund]

Kuzmenko had 74 pts 2 year ago and...???

Farabee is in the same category of Josh Anderson with a wordt physical, Its kind of risky player and pretty bad in term quality/Price sorry...If hes doing the same thing a anderson did in MTL, Philadelphia is the winner of that trade whatever what just to get rid of him.

Frost have some upside but did he really deserve the risk to consider it like huge win or steal by Calgary, not at all.

Kuzmenko got points beside Pettersson in his 102 point year. He'll be a healthy scratch in Philly before the end of the year, and both Farabee and Frost will each will outproduce Kuz. Happy to revisit at the end of the year.

This is as valid a source, as quoting any poster here...

 

[uncleben]

It might be a wrinkle to come out but do you think they're going to increase the minimum? You'd think given the cap is going up like 3M and then 10M + 10M

That would have to be negotiated in the new CBA, though I imagine, yes

For now the minimum for next year is set at $775,000, so the buriable amount is $1,150,000

With the new CBA, I have to imagine the NHLPA negotiates a new sliding scale that takes players above $800,000 minimum

 

[Stephen]

Kipper is saying Rantanen was willing to sign for a little more than Pastrnak. So if true that’s lower than his market value

Sounds like the Avs messed up their timing of the trade in relation to the cap announcement. Or they’re just a mid market team with real world constraints. Who knows. Or cares. Their championship window is probably closed now.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sounds like the Avs messed up their timing of the trade in relation to the cap announcement. Or they’re just a mid market team with real world constraints. Who knows. Or cares. Their championship window is probably closed now.

MacKinnon at 12.6M
Rantanen at 12M (let's say it's real)
Makar at???

That's a lot of cap in 3 guys. They deliver but it's a lot of cap.

 

[Stephen]

MacKinnon at 12.6M
Rantanen at 12M (let's say it's real)
Makar at???

That's a lot of cap in 3 guys. They deliver but it's a lot of cap.

Knowing what the Avs did in 2022, I would be more comfortable paying that trio whatever than Matthews, Marner and Nylander for similar money.

I get that spreading the cash around is better for a program in general to be deeper and more resilient, but I think you just have to build a more disciplined and depth earlier than to downgrade into that situation, if it makes sense. Build a team like Vegas from day one, fine. But a lot harder to trim down from a top heavy stance.

 

[ITM]

MacKinnon at 12.6M
Rantanen at 12M (let's say it's real)
Makar at???

That's a lot of cap in 3 guys. They deliver but it's a lot of cap.

What is: The definition of the word Envy when you look in the unofficial Leafs Nation Dictionary.

 

[ULF_55]

Kuzmenko got points beside Pettersson in his 102 point year. He'll be a healthy scratch in Philly before the end of the year, and both Farabee and Frost will each will outproduce Kuz. Happy to revisit at the end of the year.


This is as valid a source, as quoting any poster here...

Unless the Flyers end up with Pettersson?

Now that one might make some sense, although Torts might meltdown.
We can hope.

 

[francis246]

MacKinnon at 12.6M
Rantanen at 12M (let's say it's real)
Makar at???

That's a lot of cap in 3 guys. They deliver but it's a lot of cap.

Let’s say Makar is at 14 mill. That’s 38.6 million for 3 of the best players in the world who are proven playoff beast.

That’s 40% in year 1, 37% in year 2, 34.12% in year 3. Unless Colorado is under a really tight budget from ownership I can’t understand why they traded Rantanen.

 

[Stephen]

Kuzmenko strikes me as one of the least compatible players with a John Tortorella team. I guess he’s there to be Michkov’s buddy or something.