Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[ULF_55]

No it really doesn’t. It’s quite simple. They wanted to move Hall’s full cap hit. Who in their right mind is going to take hall at a full 6 million at the deadline?

So they agreed to do the retention if Carolina agreed to take on the full Hall cap hit. They probably could have asked for something else like higher draft picks but getting rid of Halls entire salary was more valuable than any pick in this situation. Why is this significant?

Chicago has 3 retention spots. They are retaining on McCabe right now. They just agreed to retain on Rantanen. If they agreed to retain on Hall it means they could not retain on Seth Jones who they want to move and carries WAY more value than Hall. But in order to move Jones they will almost certainly have to retain. They also got North of 1 million in cap savings here. So it’s actually a good move for them.

That only works if they move Jones.

If they retain 50% on Jones, we're talking ~$20mm over the next 5 years in real money, and $4.75mm against the Cap.

Maybe Jones can be a #1 on a NHL team?

Stan Bowman's whoopsie contract keeps giving.

Perhaps Hall was negative value?

 

[LeafChief]

Maybe but I think Chicago was just like we really need to get out from under that deal. Seems like they are going to move Jones at 50% which could bring in a huge haul.

Jones at 50% would be very intriguing.

 

[francis246]

Hall is a UFA this summer like Rantanen and half of Hall caphit is less than half of Rantanen caphit.
In a way, if Hawks is willing to take half of Hall’s caphit, I think they can get a 3rd from a desperate team.

It’s not about the hawks not wanting to do it. You can only retain 3 salaries at once. By retaining Rantanen that leaves you with one slot (they are retaining on Jake McCabe right now too)

They needed to choose what would bring them more value. Seth Jones at 50% or Hall at 50%. Everyone knows Seth Jones at 50% is more valuable. Now who will take Hall at 100%? No body. So it makes sense to take whatever you can just to get rid of halls full cap hit and not have to pay a team to take it. Then use your last retention spot on Jones.

That only works if they move Jones.

If they retain 50% on Jones, we're talking ~$20mm over the next 5 years in real money, and $4.75mm against the Cap.

Maybe Jones can be a #1 on a NHL team?

Stan Bowman's whoopsie contract keeps giving.

Perhaps Hall was negative value?

Yeah hall’s value could have dropped. But there’s been a lot of smoke around Jones getting traded. I don’t think the Blackhawks have any issue with retaining 50% on him. Rantanen and McCabes retention comes off this summer. They are gonna have a ton of cap space. Would you rather have 4.5m and assets or a 9 mill cap hit for a player you don’t want?

 

[francis246]

Jones at 50% would be very intriguing.

Especially if he’s healthy.

 

[LeafChief]

Especially if he’s healthy.

I haven't really followed the Hawks much this year. From a stats perspective it looks like he's having a good season offensively.

What would the potential cost be for Jones @ 50%?

 

[francis246]

I haven't really followed the Hawks much this year. From a stats perspective it looks like he's having a good season offensively.

What would the potential cost be for Jones @ 50%?

I’m not too sure but I would think maybe 2nd and a B prospect? I can’t imagine many teams giving up a first. Or if we are talking leafs, Chicago could be interested in a young player. Maybe Niemela or Timmins also going back to give them a body?

 

[LeafChief]

I’m not too sure but I would think maybe 2nd and a B prospect? I can’t imagine many teams giving up a first. Or if we are talking leafs, Chicago could be interested in a young player. Maybe Niemela or Timmins also going back to give them a body?

Oh wow. For that many years at 4+ million in retention, I would have thought it would cost significantly more.

For a 2nd and a B prospect I would have done that immediately. I've got to think it'll cost more.

 

[Gabriel426]

It’s not about the hawks not wanting to do it. You can only retain 3 salaries at once. By retaining Rantanen that leaves you with one slot (they are retaining on Jake McCabe right now too)

They needed to choose what would bring them more value. Seth Jones at 50% or Hall at 50%. Everyone knows Seth Jones at 50% is more valuable. Now who will take Hall at 100%? No body. So it makes sense to take whatever you can just to get rid of halls full cap hit and not have to pay a team to take it. Then use your last retention spot on Jones.



Yeah hall’s value could have dropped. But there’s been a lot of smoke around Jones getting traded. I don’t think the Blackhawks have any issue with retaining 50% on him. Rantanen and McCabes retention comes off this summer. They are gonna have a ton of cap space. Would you rather have 4.5m and assets or a 9 mill cap hit for a player you don’t want?

I am not sure about the other poster.
But my point had to do with the fact that Hawks doesn’t need to take on 50% of Rantanen plus Hall to get a 3rd rounder.
As I believe they could easily get a 3rd rounder for retaining 50% of Hall at the deadline.
It had nothing to do with retaining slots or Jones….

The only benefit I see the Hawks doing this is:
They know they might finish last thus their own 3rd will most likely be 18-25picks earlier than any other teams willing to trade with them at the deadline.

 

[ULF_55]

I haven't really followed the Hawks much this year. From a stats perspective it looks like he's having a good season offensively.

What would the potential cost be for Jones @ 50%?

I think it is:

Domi, Robertson and Timmins.

Maybe they can swindle Leafs out of Kampf while they're at it. He has history there.

 

[Gabriel426]

Oh wow. For that many years at 4+ million in retention, I would have thought it would cost significantly more.

For a 2nd and a B prospect I would have done that immediately. I've got to think it'll cost more.

If it is 2nd and a B prospect. That’s too good of a deal to pass up.
Bc Jones is not a rental.

I think it will be closer to a 1st and two B/C prospects

 

[francis246]

Oh wow. For that many years at 4+ million in retention, I would have thought it would cost significantly more.

For a 2nd and a B prospect I would have done that immediately. I've got to think it'll cost more.

Maybe Robertson is included too. But I think it would be a combo of a roster player, pick and prospect!

If it is 2nd and a B prospect. That’s too good of a deal to pass up.
Bc Jones is not a rental.

I think it will be closer to a 1st and two B/C prospects

I could see this too. I don’t think it would be a significant cost. But will cost a few asset

 

[Legion34]

ROR mentioned he hates the spotlight of Toronto. It's the first thing he said when he landed in Nashville. Maybe he also hated Keefe and the coaches but the team and environment didn't change. If he changed his mind on the situation, I guess? Doesn't seem likely to me. And giving up even more assets for a player that decided he wanted to jump ship to a place that has little pressure doesn't bold well for me.

Why in the world would dubas trade for him when he doesn’t like the spotlight?

Makes zero sense. He clearly would have known in his 15 years in the league.

So dumb if true.

 

[SprDaVE]

Why in the world would dubas trade for him when he doesn’t like the spotlight?

Makes zero sense. He clearly would have known in his 15 years in the league.

So dumb if true.

He obviously had an idea, he's from the area, and I think playing as a rental was more than enough for him to go chase a cup for his hometown. His family probably preferred the US as well. I don't remember if he had trade protection but I do remember that he gave the thumbs up to Armstrong to go to Toronto.

I'm not sure why it's dumb. C'est la vie.

 

[LeafSteel]

Crosby don't want to move from Pittsburgh

Clarified.

Cheers

 

[nuck]

Why in the world would dubas trade for him when he doesn’t like the spotlight?

Makes zero sense. He clearly would have known in his 15 years in the league.

So dumb if true.

Colorado, Buffalo and St Louis would not prepare a player for an original 6 club environment and particularly a perennial underachiever like Keefe's Leafs. There were hints he didn't like the coach and hints he didn't like the culture but we really don't know what the overriding factor was. The club belongs to the three young core guys and if he found one or more weren't dedicated enough in his mind then he has his Cup so why not go to a middle of the pack Nashville team and just play the game. I don't read to much into it simply because of the unreliable post departure info.

I thought he was a good add and I would welcome him back if he was re-acquired but I don't see it unless he had no use for the coach and is a big fan of Berube's. Dubas 2023 month of February was his best work IMO

 

[Legion34]

He obviously had an idea, he's from the area, and I think playing as a rental was more than enough for him to go chase a cup for his hometown. His family probably preferred the US as well. I don't remember if he had trade protection but I do remember that he gave the thumbs up to Armstrong to go to Toronto.

I'm not sure why it's dumb. C'est la vie.

If you are paying that amount you should have an extension in place or at least an idea of what he wants/is willing to sign

“You have to date before you get married” was the saying he used.

When it should have been. “He’s just not that into you”.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Didn’t realize Necas is only 2 years from UFA

Colorado has been in need of a centre since Kadri left. Should be interesting to see how this one plays out

 

[SprDaVE]

If you are paying that amount you should have an extension in place or at least an idea of what he wants/is willing to sign

“You have to date before you get married” was the saying he used.

When it should have been. “He’s just not that into you”.

Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't. Not a lot of rentals re-sign with the team that got them for a reason. This is just another case of that. It's not that deep. Apparently ROR was between Nashville and Toronto to sign, so it wasn't a complete snub.

Carolina took a shot with Guentzel, couldn't sign him. Now they just traded for Rantanen and haven't had extension talks yet. Tulsky mentioned he understands a player, especially with a young family, need to get their footing and see what they have to offer before committing long-term to a city. They aren't robots.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I know Hall's stats don't jump off the page, but he's not a bum. He was the MVP not long ago. CAR really got a nice haul. It's difficult to say they didn't.

 

[francis246]

If you are paying that amount you should have an extension in place or at least an idea of what he wants/is willing to sign

“You have to date before you get married” was the saying he used.

When it should have been. “He’s just not that into you”.

O’Reilly didn’t resign because of Keefe. Nothing else. Not because of the “spotlight”. How many minutes did Keefe give PP2 while O’Reilly was here? O’Reilly went on Nick Alberga’s podcast and set the record straight. He said he didn’t agree with the decisions made while playing against Florida and felt there was a lack of adjustment against Florida (ie, he played well with Marner against Tampa, that wasn’t given a shot against Florida, they barely used PP2).

Ultimately what convinced him to go to Nashville was better opportunity/more play time and his brother Cal lived in Nashville and told him it’s the place to be.

O’Reilly waived to go to Toronto. I think had Dubas remained the GM he probably resigns. But a lot of change happened in upper management, which didn’t give Brad Treliving a lot of time to complete negotiations.

 

[thusk]

Thanks for sharing your well informed intel with us commoners.

Sounds and awful lot like your opinion based on nothing, supported by nothing, and no legitimate than anyone else’s opinions here that you regularly crap on.

……. but carry on then.

Thanks for sharing the info that your BFF Crosby shared in confidence with you when he was at your house for dinner……

Chris Johnston just reported it...

 

[Gabriel426]

Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't. Not a lot of rentals re-sign with the team that got them for a reason. This is just another case of that. It's not that deep. Apparently ROR was between Nashville and Toronto to sign, so it wasn't a complete snub.

Carolina took a shot with Guentzel, couldn't sign him. Now they just traded for Rantanen and haven't had extension talks yet. Tulsky mentioned he understands a player, especially with a young family, need to get their footing and see what they have to offer before committing long-term to a city. They aren't robots.

True to certain extent but it is not like ROR didn’t waive to come to TO and Leafs can’t afford his new deal.

I am against the idea that the idea of rentals that will 100% not resign due to his next contract unless the team is close to a Cup.

Chris Johnston just reported it...

Pretty sure he will also report Sid going to Avs if it happens too, lol

Like did anyone reported the Rantanen trade last week or even 5 days ago?

I know Hall's stats don't jump off the page, but he's not a bum. He was the MVP not long ago. CAR really got a nice haul. It's difficult to say they didn't.

Finally someone beside myself brining up about Hall, lol

 

[LeafSteel]

Chris Johnston just reported it...

Link?

 

[Mckay]

Link?

 

[thusk]

True to certain extent but it is not like ROR didn’t waive to come to TO and Leafs can’t afford his new deal.

I am against the idea that the idea of rentals that will 100% not resign due to his next contract unless the team is close to a Cup.


Pretty sure he will also report Sid going to Avs if it happens too, lol

Like did anyone reported the Rantanen trade last week or even 5 days ago?


Finally someone beside myself brining up about Hall, lol

Crosby having a NMC, not rantanen so if Crosby want to stay he will stay.

Link?

just go on TSN