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Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

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SprDaVE said:
Canes I think are one of the more aggressive teams out there in terms of player management next to Vegas. From offer sheets, to trades to signings. Not only that, but they draft amazingly well.

Their one big issue for a long long time has been goaltending though... and that hasn't changed. It's their big time weakness.

I'd be shocked if the Canes don't re-sign him, but I think they are ok with taking a big swing to get a cup run going.
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Yeah, especially given the Canes haven't quite had that very deep run yet, there's a lot of overlooked value from their POV of bringing in a guy whose a confined playoffs performer. Going to be a fun story to follow.

Also something getting overlooked is how awful this was for the Hawks. I really don't know what to think about their management group
 
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Zybalto said:


Probably the 2nd best scoring winger in the league after Kuch. 14 million a bit too much for him IMO and its rumored the Canes wernt signing Necas anyways. I wonder how Rantanen playing away from MacKinnon is going to look. Lets just say there is a substantial drop in his play when not having Mack as his center. Going to a rock solid defensive team/system might be a great fit though.
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I expect there could be a dip, but he can score, so his game isn't based on someone else scoring.
From 2020-2021 to today he is 5th. in scoring (goals). In points he's 4th., behind Connor, Leon, Nathan.
 
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ULF_55 said:
I expect there could be a dip, but he can score, so his game isn't based on someone else scoring.
From 2020-2021 to today he is 5th. in scoring (goals). In points he's 4th., behind Connor, Leon, Nathan.
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Or he will get more goals and points as he will be the top dog in Canes, lol.


Definitely interesting to see the playoffs from both Avs and Canes.
 
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thusk said:
I will explain you something, we didn't talk about about offer leafs got but about an aborted deal..when we saying a deal had been aborted. That's meaning they had discussion with all the piece on the table, they got basically an agreement but for a reason like someone refuse to waive a clause or a GM changing his mind at last second ( or got vetoed) or took an other offer somewhere else... result at the trade didn't happen... So yes Knies had been included in discussion and was not a non-starter like you said
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It was discussions. There was no agreement or finalized deal. Even Dreger said that, and noted that it "never reached a stage where Fleury was asked officially to waive". The reason was Toronto's unwillingness to move futures like Knies. Toronto never put him on the table. They reportedly laughed at the idea.
 
A lot of people in here clamoring for the Leafs to make a similar move to the Avs but it would be those same people with shit dripping down their legs when a player like Marner would go somewhere else and have success and the Leafs have nothing to show for it.

Drury is a nothing piece. He's just okay and the type of player you can get all day long in free agency in August. The 2nd and 4th are assets. Great assets? No? We keep hearing about how the Leafs have no assets. They have 2nds and 4ths.

Necas ia a piece. He's having a great year after putting up Domi numbers last season.

Everyone needs to calm the f*** down. Every trade made in the league doesn't need to cause an absolute shit storm here.
 
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Zybalto said:


Probably the 2nd best scoring winger in the league after Kuch. 14 million a bit too much for him IMO and its rumored the Canes wernt signing Necas anyways. I wonder how Rantanen playing away from MacKinnon is going to look. Lets just say there is a substantial drop in his play when not having Mack as his center. Going to a rock solid defensive team/system might be a great fit though.
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That probably cuts both ways. Wouldn’t be shocked if MacKinnons production takes a hit.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Chicago didn't do that well on this deal.

A 3rd. rounder for retention and Hall.
Guess the retention is just the Hall dollars.

Hall just a dump then?
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They should have been able to get at least a 3rd for Hall alone at the tdl.

Either Davidson is a moron, or he's been promised a big favor down the line by both teams.

Honestly, think it may be the former
 
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Menzinger said:
Yeah, especially given the Canes haven't quite had that very deep run yet, there's a lot of overlooked value from their POV of bringing in a guy whose a confined playoffs performer. Going to be a fun story to follow.

Also something getting overlooked is how awful this was for the Hawks. I really don't know what to think about their management group
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'Canes goaltending in playoffs?

Hawks ... dumping Hall and getting a 3rd. (their own) back for the paperwork.

Hawks have one retention slot left, Leafs have higher of Edmonton or Colorado's 3rd. rounder.
 
Monstrous addition by Carolina.

Their likely first round opponents are New Jersey, or perhaps the Rangers. No disrespect to Columbus, or the pace they've been on. Wonder if we see JT Miller to the metro division going through now.
 
Menzinger said:
They should have been able to get at least a 3rd for Hall alone at the tdl.

Either Davidson is a moron, or he's been promised a big favor down the line by both teams.

Honestly, think it may be the former
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I think Chicago is just happy to get out from under the hall deal without having to retain any salary. They ended up saving a little over a million on this deal.

And I think if they are moving off Seth jones, they rather have the ability to retain on Seth jones than on Hall. They’ll get more for Jones than Hall. They only have 1 more retention slot open.

Remember they are retaining on Rantanen and McCabe! Good tidy piece of work by KD (Chicago version lol)
 
Dekes For Days said:
It was discussions. There was no agreement or finalized deal. Even Dreger said that, and noted that it "never reached a stage where Fleury was asked officially to waive". The reason was Toronto's unwillingness to move futures like Knies. Toronto never put him on the table. They reportedly laughed at the idea.
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What's had been reported was leafs finally rejected was the price was too high with 2 1st pick AND Knies to make it happen, again not because Knies was a non-starter.

And its couple of week/days later, we started to heard than Shanahan was the real reason why leafs declined and Dubas was ready to make the move
 
thusk said:
What's had been reported was leafs finally rejected was the price was too high with 2 1st pick AND Knies to make it happen, again not because Knies was a non-starter.
And its couple of week/days later, we started to heard than Shanahan was the real reason why leafs declined and Dubas was ready to make the move
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No, that's not what was reported. It was reported that Knies was a non-starter for both Shanahan and Dubas. That was explicitly confirmed by Friedman. He was never on the table from the Leaf's side, and the discussions fell apart before it got anywhere serious.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Canes I think are one of the more aggressive teams out there in terms of player management next to Vegas. From offer sheets, to trades to signings. Not only that, but they draft amazingly well.

Their one big issue for a long long time has been goaltending though... and that hasn't changed. It's their big time weakness.

I'd be shocked if the Canes don't re-sign him, but I think they are ok with taking a big swing to get a cup run going.
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The Offer sheet was more of a spite move, retaliation on Montreal for trying to sign Aho.
 
thusk said:
What's had been reported was leafs finally rejected was the price was too high with 2 1st pick AND Knies to make it happen, again not because Knies was a non-starter.

And its couple of week/days later, we started to heard than Shanahan was the real reason why leafs declined and Dubas was ready to make the move
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There was an article I’ll try and find it.

But Dubas showed Shanny the offer, they both laughed and Shanny said we aren’t doing this right, and Dubas said absolutely not.

Kyle Davidson then leaked the trade to the media to piss off Knies because the leafs didn’t want to make the move and that’s where Kyle Dubas and Davidson had their talk at the GM meetings and Davidson apologized ect ect.
 
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The Podium said:
The Offer sheet was more of a spite move, retaliation on Montreal for trying to sign Aho.
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They still did it... and actually signed the player. Turned out to be a bad move since Kotkaniemi hasn't really developed anyway. It's a tool they used to get a player in an aggressive way, something the Leafs haven't done in a long time.
 
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Can someone let me know the username of the poster who made the Rantanen trade and signing threads? Apparently I have them on ignore and didn't realize the trades had happened until a buddy asked me what I thought about it today.
 
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