Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[Dekes For Days]

There seems to be some faulty memories around here, acting like we've been throwing away 1st round picks and prospects on rentals willy nilly.

We were actually very protective of our prospects (thankfully, as they're currently providing 73% of our forward depth scoring beyond the core 4), and we have only traded two 1sts for rentals in the Matthews era; neither of which were likely meant to be rentals.

The first was Foligno, who was PPG and looking great on the 1st line until he got a debilitating injury in his 5th game with us. Which is also likely why we didn't re-sign him. The second was O'Rielly, who has the 3rd best playoff P/GP on our team in the Matthews era, behind only Marner and Matthews. He ended up being a rental because Treliving didn't re-sign him.

Just because you didn't end up winning the cup, it doesn't mean the player didn't help. It doesn't mean you should stop trying to build the best team you can in the future. With the drop in the team's quality since Treliving came on, the decision is not as clear, but considering how wide open the division and conference is this year, and the uncertainty with Marner, and the numerous short-term moves we've already made, spending a 1st at the deadline has to be a real consideration.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We are not buying out Rielly, or taking cap dumps for him. I know this place always needs a defensive scapegoat, but my god, how are some people's perceptions so disconnected from his actual play. Buying him out would be a fireable offense.

 

[pspot]

Reilly to Van
Andersson to Leafs
Picks and Prospects to Flames

 

[Suntouchable13]

I'd see if anyone takes Jarnkrok at full pop once he is deemed fully healthy. We have plenty of defensive guys in the bottom 6, we need a little more scoring. There's absolutely no need for Jarnkrok and his cap hit on our team.

 

[Fogelhund]

Reilly to Van
Andersson to Leafs
Picks and Prospects to Flames

Why does Vancouver want another offensive LD?

Andersson has a lower cap hit than Rielly, but really isn't any better. Less physical. A bit younger. He's a RD, which is nice though.

But Rielly isn't getting move in season, that's just never going to happen.

I'd see if anyone takes Jarnkrok at full pop once he is deemed fully healthy. We have plenty of defensive guys in the bottom 6, we need a little more scoring. There's absolutely no need for Jarnkrok and his cap hit on our team.

The question being, will we need to play him a few games, for someone to take him?

 

[Warrior16]

What about a McBain/Bjugstad + Kesselring package from Utah? They have depth at RD (Durzi, Marino, Lamoureux) Haven't caught any Utah games, but seems like they could be a good potential trade partner. Curious what they'd want back.

 

[Avilaj07]

The Leafs should just pull what the Rangers did with Trouba. Tell Rielly straight up that we're looking at moving you and we would like a list of teams you're willing to go to, and if not then you will be placed on waivers.

 

[ACC1224]

The Leafs should just pull what the Rangers did with Trouba. Tell Rielly straight up that we're looking at moving you and we would like a list of teams you're willing to go to, and if not then you will be placed on waivers.

He can't be placed on waivers, full NMC.

 

[Avilaj07]

He can't be placed on waivers, full NMC.

You are correct. I wish the NHL or Teams would implement something in contracts that having a NTC or NMC are only eligible if the player hits certain milestones. Every team in the NHL has been screwed over by players who have signed long term contracts at high cap hits that have NTC or NMC that don't live up to their contracts. If it the teams fault for giving them that contract, 100% yes but at the same time, if the player is not playing up to that contract then the NMC of NTC should be voided.

 

[ACC1224]

You are correct. I wish the NHL or Teams would implement something in contracts that having a NTC or NMC are only eligible if the player hits certain milestones. Every team in the NHL has been screwed over by players who have signed long term contracts at high cap hits that have NTC or NMC that don't live up to their contracts. If it the teams fault for giving them that contract, 100% yes but at the same time, if the player is not playing up to that contract then the NMC of NTC should be voided.

The team has the opportunity to buy the player out.

 

[Avilaj07]

The team has the opportunity to buy the player out.

Yes, that I understand, but a player should still be held accountable for the contract they signed, should they not. All I'm suggesting is, if the team signs a player, and the contract involves either a NMC or NTC, then the team should be able to put some stipulations on that offer and say, you have to meet these certain requirements in season to warrant the NMC or NTC to be in effect.

 

[Fogelhund]

Yes, that I understand, but a player should still be held accountable for the contract they signed, should they not. All I'm suggesting is, if the team signs a player, and the contract involves either a NMC or NTC, then the team should be able to put some stipulations on that offer and say, you have to meet these certain requirements in season to warrant the NMC or NTC to be in effect.

If that was negotiated as part of the collective bargaining agreement, sure. But it isn't, so it's not reality.
It never will be a reality.

Rielly isn't going anywhere.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes, that I understand, but a player should still be held accountable for the contract they signed, should they not. All I'm suggesting is, if the team signs a player, and the contract involves either a NMC or NTC, then the team should be able to put some stipulations on that offer and say, you have to meet these certain requirements in season to warrant the NMC or NTC to be in effect.

It's all laid out in the CBA, players and team both have to follow that.
It could be negotiated in next time but the Owners would have to give the Players something in return.

 

[Fogelhund]

LeBrun believes that Toews comeback is for next season, not this season.

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[ER89]

The Leafs should just pull what the Rangers did with Trouba. Tell Rielly straight up that we're looking at moving you and we would like a list of teams you're willing to go to, and if not then you will be placed on waivers.

Yeah and then the leafs will straight up do what the rags did and start losing because morale is so f***ed.
Come on man think.

You want Toronto to have media and fan pressure along with whack mgmt?

We can't baby these guys but we can't straight up say f*** off like Vegas either.

 

[thewave]

Yeah and then the leafs will straight up do what the rags did and start losing because morale is so f***ed.
Come on man think.

You want Toronto to have media and fan pressure along with whack mgmt?

We can't baby these guys but we can't straight up say f*** off like Vegas either.

The next CBA needs to fix the NMC and address when players do not perform. Lack of Performance should be a discharge from the team with salary paid for only the remainder of the current season and next season. In addition the cap hit of that waived entirely and a 3rd party should rule on it.

 

[Avilaj07]

Yeah and then the leafs will straight up do what the rags did and start losing because morale is so f***ed.
Come on man think.

You want Toronto to have media and fan pressure along with whack mgmt?

We can't baby these guys but we can't straight up say f*** off like Vegas either.

Because it's really ruined Vegas right? You're in the business of winning, not moral support. If you're not producing in line with your contract, then the team should have every right to ship you out.

 

[Fogelhund]

The next CBA needs to fix the NMC and address when players do not perform. Lack of Performance should be a discharge from the team with salary paid for only the remainder of the current season and next season. In addition the cap hit of that waived entirely and a 3rd party should rule on it.

That's not on anyone's radar, and would never happen. The players would strike for years at the thought of this. It's just a thought that is detached from reality.

 

[ER89]

Because it's really ruined Vegas right? You're in the business of winning, not moral support. If you're not producing in line with your contract, then the team should have every right to ship you out.

Holy shit reading comprehension.


Ruined the rags but Vegas can do shit like that because everyone wants to play in Vegas. Good grief.

 

[Avilaj07]

Holy shit reading comprehension.


Ruined the rags but Vegas can do shit like that because everyone wants to play in Vegas. Good grief.

The Rangers were ruined the second Drury pulled that crap with Goodrow. What happened with Trouba definitely didn't help either and neither did coming out and saying you're looking at moving your star vet players like Krieder and Ziba. Nice try thou.

 

[ER89]

The Rangers were ruined the second Drury pulled that crap with Goodrow. What happened with Trouba definitely didn't help either and neither did coming out and saying you're looking at moving your star vet players like Krieder and Ziba. Nice try thou.

Thanks for arguing my point

Lmfao like what?

 

[thewave]

That's not on anyone's radar, and would never happen. The players would strike for years at the thought of this. It's just a thought that is detached from reality.

Hahaha strike for years. Dreaming. There is no other league with the money to pay them.

 

[Avilaj07]

Thanks for arguing my point

Lmfao like what?

Maybe English isn't your first language so I will break it down for you a little bit more. The Leafs have always been known, especially since the Shanahan era, to be extremely soft on their players and caring more about feelings then actually winning. Maybe if the team and ownership actually held their players accountable, we wouldn't be 1st Round exits every year. If the team quits on you because you approach a player that you want to move him and give him an ultimatum, then there's going to be either 1 of 2 reactions. The players are going to be upset and hurt by the organization, or maybe they realize this management team isn't looking at treating them like babies anymore, and if you don't produce, they will move you. Regardless of your contract.

 

[sxvnert]

Domi-Gourde-Tanev would be a nice third line. If Domi cant produce with those two then move him in the summer.

 

[ER89]

Maybe English isn't your first language so I will break it down for you a little bit more. The Leafs have always been known, especially since the Shanahan era, to be extremely soft on their players and caring more about feelings then actually winning. Maybe if the team and ownership actually held their players accountable, we wouldn't be 1st Round exits every year. If the team quits on you because you approach a player that you want to move him and give him an ultimatum, then there's going to be either 1 of 2 reactions. The players are going to be upset and hurt by the organization, or maybe they realize this management team isn't looking at treating them like babies anymore, and if you don't produce, they will move you. Regardless of your contract.

Holy shit are you dense. Doing something like the rags do would cause absolute chaos in the Toronto market.

Which is exactly how it played out in NY. The rags are underperforming because of trouba and goodrow fiasco. With our guys being soft as a baby's bottom how do you not get that it'd play out the same way here?

Holy man your proposals and suggestions are so stupidly outlandish it's not even funny.