Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[thusk]

Can you re-create the McCabe/Lafferty deal which essentially boiled down to a 2nd round pick in that years draft and a 1st round pick in the following year, with Connor Murphy and Jason Dickinson ?

Chicago retained 50% of McCabe's salary for the 1.5 years, which is what Murphy has on left on his contract. In terms of value I'd say they're pretty similar, but on one hand McCabe was younger at the time, and on the other Murphy plays a more coveted position in RHD.

Sam Lafferty was having a better offensive season than Dickinson at the time, but Dickinson is a much better player defensively. His price tag is expensive and Kampf would probably have to be included.

Dickinson and Murphy (50%) for 1st round 2026, 2nd round 2025, David Kampf

I wonder if that would be enough for Chicago to grab these guys to plug the 3C hole and get a partner for Rielly. Might need to add another prospect to sweeten the deal.

Chicago are not in the same spot than 2 years ago when they did everything to win Bedard lottery. Chicago want to build something around Bedard and young core and hope make a step up next year. so im not sure if they really want to move one of their top 3 dmen whos playing on shutdown pair with Vlasic, still under contract and who will maybe bring the same kind of value next year...

Its what leafs fan want but really not sure its what Chicago want

 

[aingefan]

Anyone take a peak at the +/- for the Pens? Like 10 guys with a plus minus at -10 or more.
Yet somehow Anthony Beauvillier is a +2.

 

[LeafEgo]

Chicago are not in the same spot than 2 years ago when they did everything to win Bedard lottery. Chicago want to build something around Bedard and young core and hope make a step up next year. so im not sure if they really want to move one of their top 3 dmen whos playing on shutdown pair with Vlasic, still under contract and who will maybe bring the same kind of value next year...

Its what leafs fan want but really not sure its what Chicago want

I hear you in that not everybody is always available on rebuilds, and they need to line up strength through each age bracket, but Hawks aren't making a meaningful step next year and Murphy is 31. They can't build around just Bedard.

Their recent signings suggest they are looking to trade off players and wallow for a bit, not the approach I would take, but they might as well follow through at this point.

 

[thusk]

I hear you in that not everybody is always available on rebuilds, and they need to line up strength through each age bracket, but Hawks aren't making a meaningful step next year and Murphy is 31. They can't build around just Bedard.

Their recent signings suggest they are looking to trade off players and wallow for a bit, not the approach I would take, but they might as well follow through at this point.

And they cant just throw away all their veteran and hope the young guy will develop properly... And like i said, we don't talk about a rental they would lose, we talking about one of their top 3 D still with a contract next year and in the worst case situation, been able to move him next year at TDL for pratically the same price.

So from an other view... A top 4 shutdown D with a pretty good contract where hawks would keep 50% of his salary, in a team who will certainly don't want to finish in the bottom next year and see a kind of progression with the team.. For basically the same price they could get waiting 1 year?

Unstead leafs overpay for Murphy, not sure that's making sense

 

[Budz]

I’m sorry, but getting a RD is not the priority imo.

Getting a 3C changes everything and allows us to spread offense which is what we need in the playoffs. It allows you to also redistribute Domi back to wing.

I like:
Laughton
Evans
Granlund

Lines:

Knies Matthews Domi
Patches JT Marner
McMann Laughton Nylander
Janrkok Kampf Lorentz

 

[LeafEgo]

And they cant just throw away all their veteran and hope the young guy will develop properly... And like i said, we don't talk about a rental they would lose, we talking about one of their top 3 D still with a contract next year and in the worst case situation, been able to move him next year at TDL for pratically the same price.

So from an other view... A top 4 shutdown D with a pretty good contract where hawks would keep 50% of his salary, in a team who will certainly don't want to finish in the bottom next year and see a kind of progression with the team.. For basically the same price they could get waiting 1 year?

Unstead leafs overpay for Murphy, not sure that's making sense

In isloation you're making logical points but it sounds like you're applying it to a team that has taken a different approach. They have two players on their roster between ages 23 and 29 and the Hawks are terrible. They can pivot sure, but Murphy certainly might be available.

And he obviously would not go for the same price next year.

 

[seanlinden]

I’m sorry, but getting a RD is not the priority imo.

Getting a 3C changes everything and allows us to spread offense which is what we need in the playoffs. It allows you to also redistribute Domi back to wing.

I like:
Laughton
Evans
Granlund

Lines:

Knies Matthews Domi
Patches JT Marner
McMann Laughton Nylander
Janrkok Kampf Lorentz

Given how long spreading these guys onto 3 lines has been an obvious idea to try, or even trying to make a 1A and 1B powerplay; I question whether there are simply too many large egos in the room to truly buy into the concept of rolling 3 lines.

I get that today, it's a little tough because you're missing Tavares & Pacioretty... but why not get Domi some confidence playing alongside Matthews and Knies?

Why not see what Fraser Minten can actually do and put Mitch Marner on his wing alongside a Stephen Lorentz or Max Pacioretty?

You're a month and a half away from the deadline, would it not be prudent to do at least some experimenting to see what you have, and see if you have ANY of the pieces to assemble a reasonable 3rd line?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Given how long spreading these guys onto 3 lines has been an obvious idea to try, or even trying to make a 1A and 1B powerplay; I question whether there are simply too many large egos in the room to truly buy into the concept of rolling 3 lines.

I get that today, it's a little tough because you're missing Tavares & Pacioretty... but why not get Domi some confidence playing alongside Matthews and Knies?

Why not see what Fraser Minten can actually do and put Mitch Marner on his wing alongside a Stephen Lorentz or Max Pacioretty?

You're a month and a half away from the deadline, would it not be prudent to do at least some experimenting to see what you have, and see if you have ANY of the pieces to assemble a reasonable 3rd line?

Part of the problem is we’re talking about a Domi that needs kid gloves to get him some confidence or rolling the dice on what a rookie can do instead of talking about a Nick Paul that you know for a fact can win battles, tip pucks, crash the net, and give a Marner or Nylander guaranteed playoff-ready options to work off of.

I’m the first guy to push for experimenting with stuff like 5F powerplay or Nylander/Marner at C but with the way things are between the personnel and a wildly risk-averse front office, it’s at best a temporary gimmick in January/February that has a 0% chance of getting playoff usage. Minten should get a more serious look but I don’t see it happening.