Robertson was was waiver wire fooder just two weeks ago. If he really looks like he is capable of scoring 20 to 30 goals then you are trading him at his peak now. He is not going to see PP1 playing time nor is he going to see top 2 line minutes. He is a redundant bottom 6 winger. The team is full of them.
But if you trade him at the end of camp then you are dumping him.
All it is going to take is one injury to either OEL or Rielly. There is no other defenceman in the top 8 that brings his offensive ability. Berube never said he wasn't playing him. He said he needs to do certain aspects of defence better. I think Berube is going to be quite shockign to you as he does this on a regular basis with players. Wait until he does this to Nylander or Marner.
He did both last year and the year before. Now I will agree they brought in OEL to be the second PP pointman but all it takes is one injury. He is signed for two years at 3 million so regardless of his play he is a 3million dollar defenceman.
If you want to get Sandin type value then you need to move him at the TDL and in the mean time play him to keep/build his value.
That whole thread is based on the first sentence which is opinion, not a fact. Robertson was no waiver wire fodder.
You seem to be digging in on the wrong points. I don't want to trade or dump anyone. Why would we trade a 20 to 30 goal scorer making $875K with another year of control? The Liljegren difference is his salary and contract status.
Robertson was was waiver wire fooder just two weeks ago. If he really looks like he is capable of scoring 20 to 30 goals then you are trading him at his peak now. He is not going to see PP1 playing time nor is he going to see top 2 line minutes. He is a redundant bottom 6 winger. The team is full of them.
But if you trade him at the end of camp then you are dumping him.
All it is going to take is one injury to either OEL or Rielly. There is no other defenceman in the top 8 that brings his offensive ability. Berube never said he wasn't playing him. He said he needs to do certain aspects of defence better. I think Berube is going to be quite shockign to you as he does this on a regular basis with players. Wait until he does this to Nylander or Marner.
He did both last year and the year before. Now I will agree they brought in OEL to be the second PP pointman but all it takes is one injury. He is signed for two years at 3 million so regardless of his play he is a 3million dollar defenceman.
If you want to get Sandin type value then you need to move him at the TDL and in the mean time play him to keep/build his value.
I don't believe any of us thought Robertson was waiver fodder. The reason why we don't try to trade him now with such high expectations is because he makes $875k and has a spot in the starting lineup.
Lily on the other hand might be out of the top six and making $3M per year for each of the next two. The greater concern is that he is not a Berube guy and his value continues to diminish.
As I have said several times, I would not dump him I am hopeful we can get value in the return as well as the cap space and roster spot. If you look back on here as recently as two weeks ago I had him as top four with OEL in every line up. I am not hating on the player, I am feeling the fit is not good with the new coach and style and that the right time to sell might be now.
If we lose Reilly or OEL, I would say we go Timmins or Niemela. I don't see a "huge" drop off from Lilly. They are not as good possibly, but Timmins scores at a higher rate in the NHL already.
Yeah, maybe this is Berube's style and other playera will spend time in his dog house. I don't think Liljegren responds well to this. There are always casualties with a new coach and system, maybe Lily is one here.
I agree that our best outcome is he develops into someone useful for us or as a trade chip. I guess I feel it is more likely he declines in value rather than increases it and this opinion is what is at the heart of my "move him now if we can get value" position.