Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon

[BurnTheBoats]

You will be disappointed.


The trades you’ve proposed are mostly trades that would get rejected on a video game, let alone real life. There is no chance half the players you’ve listed are available. That you’ve listed multiple playoff teams as sellers should be your first clue. If it has to be explained to you beyond that, it’s already too late.

Also the playoff teams that i listed, you should do your homework before making false comments....every player listed is there worst player or the contract ends this year or its the only option they have to make room in cap for a trade.

You're most definitely part of the media or just an extremely negative person, im just going to ignore everything you say

Haha omg your clueless, actually every player is available on that list....some might argue Stamkos, Forsberg,
Marchessault, Josi & Malkin shouldn't be there but its a possibility if the price is right, both teams will be going full rebuild here soon....and if there smart it will be this season, teams around them are on the next level, they will continue to be bubble teams and slowdown the rebuild time.

 

[thusk]

Haha really those trades are fair value, lets see you post something similar as a comparison, since your Mr.Professional who knows everythingman i wouldn't want to live with you, haha negative Nancy...those trades we're examples, next time please read.

Rielly
Timmins or Niemela
1st round pick

For

Sergachev


McBain

For

Hirvonen or Minten
Kampf

This trade can always be revamped, thats called being progressive you should learn it brother....we could always add to the deal or replace Hirvonen with Minten or Timmins for Niemela.

The Gallagher deal, he's injury prone and even at 50% retention Domi's only 500k more, they also add depth in Dewar and a 2nd round...again fair value for a team rebuilding

Marchand, we dont know how long he's out...so the retention might not be needed, regardless if he's out until the playoffs Boston is losing out on assets that they most definitely could use....and still have Brad sign in the off-season so again not realistic, Nyquist 50% retained got a 2nd

Marchand = 2nd round
Plus they get a solid prospect in Abruzzese and Jarnkrok...sorry but any team calling about him will be offering the same deal
With his injury i cant see a team giving up a 1st round, prospect and a roster player with skill on a good deal sorry but that's not going to happen.

Murphy for a 3rd round, 7th and Kokkonen hmmmm sure bud...what's your counter offer?

Gudas for a 2nd round, 4th and Myers or Timmins again post your counter offer?

Laughton or Hathaway for a 3rd, Quillan and Reaves....pre damn close in value, might have to add a late pick for Laughton's second year of term but again fair value.

Tanev wont get anything under a 3rd round pick.

That's unfortunate though,
I was cheering for you to say something positive

a guy having worst offensive season than domi with 30 pts pace season just bring here a 2nd pick and you use it as comparaison for marchand price considerating marchand having the same value

And i personally anticipate a lot of overpay this TDL and kind of foligno trade. Its those kind of years you will need to overpay to get top player available and will jot necessairly be elite player

 

[Kurtz]

Do you want to have an actual discussion?

I agree with ER that I would absolutely not do the deal you've proposed.

But before I explain why, how are you valuing the respective pieces? Would it be fair to say that it's something like:

Geekie for Cowan
Carlo for 1st
Robertson for Braseau?

 

[Sypher04]

And still not win anyrhing

Garbage contribution. You can do better.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I need trades.

Give me some freaking trades!

 

[BurnTheBoats]

a guy having worst offensive season than domi with 30 pts pace season just bring here a 2nd pick and you use it as comparaison for marchand price considerating marchand having the same value

And i personally anticipate a lot of overpay this TDL and kind of foligno trade. Its those kind of years you will need to overpay to get top player available and will jot necessairly be elite player

I cant even make sense of the the first paragraph....umm who's the guy?

Using Nyquist as a comparison in value for Marchand is the closest we have to any deal atm

Nyquist 842gp 524pts
Best season 81gp 75pts

Marchand 1090gp 976pts
Best season 79gp 100pts

Marchand's also injured so there's no telling if he will be 100%, Nyquist is healthy and can contribute right now.

Also Nyquist 50% retained got a 2nd
What makes you think Marchand gets a 1st round? and i added Abruzzese & Jarnkrok ontop of the Nyquist deal.

Maybe if Marchand was healthy he would get a 1st round, prospect and roster player but that's not the case...and there would be 4teams max in on that deal

 

[Americanadian]

I agree with ER that I would absolutely not do the deal you've proposed.

But before I explain why, how are you valuing the respective pieces? Would it be fair to say that it's something like:

Geekie for Cowan
Carlo for 1st
Robertson for Braseau?

No. I think Carlo will go for a 1st+good prospect. Something like 1st+Minten. The upgrade from Minten to Cowan covers the addition of Geekie.

Robertson for Brazeau is more or less a wash. Swapping 3LW who probably doesn’t play for the Leafs in the playoffs for a good 4RW. If we trust what Mirtle said today, Robertson’s value is maybe a 4th.

 

[ULF_55]

Panthers are not done.

They are going to pick up another talent.

All in, and yet Jones is a long term asset.

Countdown to TradeCentre: Will the Florida Panthers spend Matthew Tkachuk's cap space? | TSN

The NHL's March 7 Trade Deadline is just days away and teams are making decisions on whether to buy or sell, and on which players can make the biggest difference and hold the greatest value. Check out today's trade rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

www.tsn.ca

While cap space is not likely to be a problem for general manager Bill Zito, assets may be as he looks to load up. The Panthers are without a pick in the first three rounds of this year's draft and have only a second-rounder in the first three rounds in 2026, unless they elect to move their first-rounder to a team and kick their 2027 top pick to Chicago.

 

[thusk]

I cant even make sense of the the first paragraph....umm who's the guy?

Using Nyquist as a comparison in value for Marchand is the closest we have to any deal atm

Nyquist 842gp 524pts
Best season 81gp 75pts

Marchand 1090gp 976pts
Best season 79gp 100pts

Marchand's also injured so there's no telling if he will be 100%, Nyquist is healthy and can contribute right now.

Also Nyquist 50% retained got a 2nd
What makes you think Marchand gets a 1st round? and i added Abruzzese & Jarnkrok ontop of the Nyquist deal....someone's delusional

nyqvist 13 goal 30 pts pace. its closer of a domibat 50 % than marchand

marchand 28 goal and 63 pts pace and the type of player every team no exception want come playoff time because he bring a lot of grit and energy.

JEven with his injury, just to considerate to trade marchand, that would cost at least a 1st and pretty good prospect. Everything under would just not even be considerate. They would just keep him and resign him

 

[Rude Dog]

Leafs clear priority is a 3rd line center with the upside. I would prefer to find a young player with promise who may have fallen out of favour (Wright before his uptick, McTavish, Krebs). Tre needs to get creative.

McCabe was one of the best trades in a long time even though we didn't realize it.

 

[Kurtz]

No. I think Carlo will go for a 1st+good prospect. Something like 1st+Minten. The upgrade from Minten to Cowan covers the addition of Geekie.

Robertson for Brazeau is more or less a wash. Swapping 3LW who probably doesn’t play for the Leafs in the playoffs for a good 4RW. If we trust what Mirtle said today, Robertson’s value is maybe a 4th.

So I think what's happening here is you're significantly inflating Carlo's value. You're willing to offer the equivalent of a pair of 1st for him, whereas Boston fans are expecting something like a 1st or 2nd round pick.

If you go to the Boston board, there's a thread on Carlo on page 1. If you scan the last 2 pages of the thread, Boston fans are describing him as: soft, terrible with the puck, prone to giveaways. He's having a bad season and Boston fans are afraid that it might be a result of multiple concussions catching up to him.

With that in mind, if you shifted the ask to Carlo+Geekie for a 1st+Danford with a little sweetener for the 1m retention on Geekie, the trade would be more palatable.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He hasn't made a significant trade since becoming GM. They've all been minor-ish.

Lafferty punted for a pick, Dewar for a pick and prospect, Lyubushkin and Edmundson for picks, Tanev for his signing rights, Webber for a pick and Liljegren for picks. Sad.

He needs more time ok, we’ll only see what Tre is REALLY capable in 3 or 4 years when he’s finally settled in and able to do his job.

 

[Americanadian]

So I think what's happening here is you're significantly inflating Carlo's value. You're willing to offer the equivalent of a pair of 1st for him, whereas Boston fans are expecting something like a 1st or 2nd round pick.

If you go to the Boston board, there's a thread on Carlo on page 1. If you scan the last 2 pages of the thread, Boston fans are describing him as: soft, terrible with the puck, prone to giveaways. He's having a bad season and Boston fans are afraid that it might be a result of multiple concussions catching up to him.

With that in mind, if you shifted the ask to Carlo+Geekie for a 1st+Danford with a little sweetener for the 1m retention on Geekie, the trade would be more palatable.

I am absolutely valuing Carlo higher than that, rightly or wrongly. I barely watch Bruins games so I’ll take a Bruins fan’s opinion over my own that I formed based off reading charts.

I will be shocked if he’s moved for only a 1st and nothing else. Even if he is all of those things that you stated, he’s still a 28 year old, 6’5 RHD, who skates really well, with 2.5 years left at 4.1M. He has all the physical tools that GMs covet (especially Tre) and his charts grade out as a plus defender.

I also don’t think 1st+Cowan is that far off 1st+Danford.

Edit: I just went and read their board and one person said they’d be happy to get a 2nd for him and everyone’s flaming him for it.

 

[BurnTheBoats]

Leafs clear priority is a 3rd line center with the upside. I would prefer to find a young player with promise who may have fallen out of favour (Wright before his uptick, McTavish, Krebs). Tre needs to get creative.

McCabe was one of the best trades in a long time even though we didn't realize it.

Have you seen the lineup tonight?
Our defense is hurting, we have depth on center atm.

Morgan Rielly -- Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Jake McCabe -- Philippe Myers
Simon Benoit -- Conor Timmins

vs

Gustav Forsling -- Aaron Ekblad
Niko Mikkola -- Seth Jones
Nate Schmidt -- Dmitry Kulikov

&

Victor Hedman -- J.J. Moser
Ryan McDonagh -- Erik Cernak
Emil Lilleberg -- Darren Raddysh

Even with our injuries i think we're pre damn close to Tampa Bay, but Florida has a huge advantage.

If we compare centers
Matthews
Tavares
Domi
Kampf

vs

Barkov
Bennett
Lundell
Nosek

&

Point
Cirelli
Paul
Glendening

I think we are on par with Florida and obviously better than Tampa Bay...we could move Domi & Kampf for more physical players and still have the skill to match them down the middle.

Left wing
Knies
Pacioretty
McMann
Dewar

Right wing
Marner
Nylander
Robertson
Jarnkrok

vs

Left wing
Tkachuk
Verhaeghe
Samoskevich
Greer

Right wing
Reinhart
Rodrigues
Boqvist
Luostarinen

&

Left wing
Guentzel
Hagel
Chaffee
Girgensons

Right wing
Kucherov
Goncalves
Eyssimont

It's obvious our needs are left wing, lack of right hand shots, and right defense....if we can't get past these two teams what's the point, get the golf bags ready.

One could make a valid argument saying the return of Tanev & Hakanpaa put us above Tampa Bay and close too Florida, but if we want to win a cup somone like Hakanpaa & Benoit would be huge on the depth charts instead of having to play them...if we get injuries who's going to fill the roster spots? Niemela or Mattinen?

And Florida has cap with Tkachuk out so expect there offense & goalies to get upgrades without losing any roster players and adding them to the depth chart....the Panthers can really put the dagger in this rebuild if we dont make counter attacks and assess our weaknesses.

I think Tampa has like 5.5M in cap to get a right winger, upgrade on defense and whatever else.

We should have made a deal right after Florida though to show them we mean buisness, honestly what are we waiting for? Get something done

Its such a joke though, management has been trying to get a top right defenseman for how long now? Obviously Jones doesn't fit our build as we need a top twd or shutdown defender but come onthese guys got it done, what's holding us back?

Its funny people say adding guys at the trade deadline rarely make a difference but let's be honest its going to get Florida back to the Stanley cup if we dont do anything.

 

[hockeywiz542]

What we’re hearing about every NHL team heading into deadline week

With Friday’s 3 p.m. ET finish line coming into view, here's how each NHL team is approaching trade-deadline week.

www.nytimes.com

Toronto Maple Leafs

It’s nearly decision time after a months-long pursuit of a third-line center. The Leafs have looked at Brayden Schenn in St. Louis and Scott Laughton in Philadelphia, while keeping tabs on fall-back rental options like Montreal’s Jake Evans, Seattle’s Yanni Gourde and Utah’s Nick Bjugstad. Meanwhile, GM Brad Treliving is also hoping to procure another depth defenseman who can play the right side. A tight cap situation looms over every decision in Toronto, which is why Treliving is likely to seek salary retention from any seller and/or use another team as a third-party broker to make the money work.

 

[Smif]

I am uncomfortable with trading our 2026 1st with the contract status of Marner & Tavares and the health status of Matthews. Not gonna lie.

 

[Brobust]

Knies is already twice the player Cozens is and will sign roughly the same contract as Cozens 7mill deal. What, if anything, will this accomplish for Toronto?

Knies is a bit one dimensional. No issues with him, but he's purely dependant on his linemates. Gotta sell high on him.

 

[Smif]

Have you seen the lineup tonight?
Our defense is hurting, we have depth on center atm.

Morgan Rielly -- Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Jake McCabe -- Philippe Myers
Simon Benoit -- Conor Timmins

vs

Gustav Forsling -- Aaron Ekblad
Niko Mikkola -- Seth Jones
Nate Schmidt -- Dmitry Kulikov

&

Victor Hedman -- J.J. Moser
Ryan McDonagh -- Erik Cernak
Emil Lilleberg -- Darren Raddysh

Even with our injuries i think we're pre damn close to Tampa Bay, but Florida has a huge advantage.

If we compare centers
Matthews
Tavares
Domi
Kampf

vs

Barkov
Bennett
Lundell
Nosek

&

Point
Cirelli
Paul
Glendening

I think we are on par with Florida and obviously better than Tampa Bay...we could move Domi & Kampf for more physical players and still have the skill to match them down the middle.

Left wing
Knies
Pacioretty
McMann
Dewar

Right wing
Marner
Nylander
Robertson
Jarnkrok

vs

Left wing
Tkachuk
Verhaeghe
Samoskevich
Greer

Right wing
Reinhart
Rodrigues
Boqvist
Luostarinen

&

Left wing
Guentzel
Hagel
Chaffee
Girgensons

Right wing
Kucherov
Goncalves
Eyssimont

It's obvious our needs are left wing, lack of right hand shots, and right defense....if we can't get past these two teams what's the point, get the golf bags ready.

One could make a valid argument saying the return of Tanev & Hakanpaa put us above Tampa Bay and close too Florida, but if we want to win a cup somone like Hakanpaa & Benoit would be huge on the depth charts instead of having to play them...if we get injuries who's going to fill the roster spots? Niemela or Mattinen?

And Florida has cap with Tkachuk out so expect there offense & goalies to get upgrades without losing any roster players and adding them to the depth chart....the Panthers can really put the dagger in this rebuild if we dont make counter attacks and assess our weaknesses.

I think Tampa has like 5.5M in cap to get a right winger, upgrade on defense and whatever else.

We should have made a deal right after Florida though to show them we mean buisness, honestly what are we waiting for? Get something done

Its such a joke though, management has been trying to get a top right defenseman for how long now? Obviously Jones doesn't fit our build as we need a top twd or shutdown defender but come onthese guys got it done, what's holding us back?

Its funny people say adding guys at the trade deadline rarely make a difference but let's be honest its going to get Florida back to the Stanley cup if we dont do anything.

You do our lineup including our injuries but you omitted other teams injuries, like, Tkachuk on FLA which decimates their forward group imo, their forward group looks really thin atm.

 

[ULF_55]

I am uncomfortable with trading our 2026 1st with the contract status of Marner & Tavares and the health status of Matthews. Not gonna lie.

I have no hesitation to trade their prospects and picks in a hockey trade that isn't a rental.

Spend it while there is still the ability to do so.

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll be able to improve enough for it to make a difference this year.

Sabres / Canucks would make good trade partners for the Panthers.

 

[thusk]

Have you seen the lineup tonight?
Our defense is hurting, we have depth on center atm.

Morgan Rielly -- Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Jake McCabe -- Philippe Myers
Simon Benoit -- Conor Timmins

vs

Gustav Forsling -- Aaron Ekblad
Niko Mikkola -- Seth Jones
Nate Schmidt -- Dmitry Kulikov

&

Victor Hedman -- J.J. Moser
Ryan McDonagh -- Erik Cernak
Emil Lilleberg -- Darren Raddysh

Even with our injuries i think we're pre damn close to Tampa Bay, but Florida has a huge advantage.

If we compare centers
Matthews
Tavares
Domi
Kampf

vs

Barkov
Bennett
Lundell
Nosek

&

Point
Cirelli
Paul
Glendening

I think we are on par with Florida and obviously better than Tampa Bay...we could move Domi & Kampf for more physical players and still have the skill to match them down the middle.

Left wing
Knies
Pacioretty
McMann
Dewar

Right wing
Marner
Nylander
Robertson
Jarnkrok

vs

Left wing
Tkachuk
Verhaeghe
Samoskevich
Greer

Right wing
Reinhart
Rodrigues
Boqvist
Luostarinen

&

Left wing
Guentzel
Hagel
Chaffee
Girgensons

Right wing
Kucherov
Goncalves
Eyssimont

It's obvious our needs are left wing, lack of right hand shots, and right defense....if we can't get past these two teams what's the point, get the golf bags ready.

One could make a valid argument saying the return of Tanev & Hakanpaa put us above Tampa Bay and close too Florida, but if we want to win a cup somone like Hakanpaa & Benoit would be huge on the depth charts instead of having to play them...if we get injuries who's going to fill the roster spots? Niemela or Mattinen?

And Florida has cap with Tkachuk out so expect there offense & goalies to get upgrades without losing any roster players and adding them to the depth chart....the Panthers can really put the dagger in this rebuild if we dont make counter attacks and assess our weaknesses.

I think Tampa has like 5.5M in cap to get a right winger, upgrade on defense and whatever else.

We should have made a deal right after Florida though to show them we mean buisness, honestly what are we waiting for? Get something done

Its such a joke though, management has been trying to get a top right defenseman for how long now? Obviously Jones doesn't fit our build as we need a top twd or shutdown defender but come onthese guys got it done, what's holding us back?

Its funny people say adding guys at the trade deadline rarely make a difference but let's be honest its going to get Florida back to the Stanley cup if we dont do anything.

You're overthinking too much

1- Jones on paper is a great add but do he will get enough time to adapt abd create chemistry/ communication with the team. By exemple muzzin and mccabe 1st year as leafs was by far worst than their next season.

2. Yeah Tkachuk injury created space but also concerning, do he will comeback at 100% without any risk to make his injury even worst?

3- Did a 36 Bobrovsky would still able to keep a high level in playoff like he did last 2 playoff? The 2 only goalie i remembered doing it was Martin Brodeur ( maybe best goalie all time or at least 1 of 2 ) and Tim Thomas. If he can't, Florida panthers would never be the same team anymore.

You can't just compare line up vs line up. They're too much thing you can't even calculate

 

[Menzinger]

Knies is a bit one dimensional. No issues with him, but he's purely dependant on his linemates. Gotta sell high on him.

Not sure I can agree with this. He's been a high IQ skilled guy since college. His sh% is a bit high, but hes always been a goal scorer. He's the real deal and worth locking in long term

 

[ULF_55]

You're overthinking too much

1- Jones on paper is a great add but do he will get enough time to adapt abd create chemistry/ communication with the team. By exemple muzzin and mccabe 1st year as leafs was by far worst than their next season.

2. Yeah Tkachuk injury created space but also concerning, do he will comeback at 100% without any risk to make his injury even worst?

3- Did a 36 Bobrovsky would still able to keep a high level in playoff like he did last 2 playoff? The 2 only goalie i remembered doing it was Martin Brodeur ( maybe best goalie all time or at least 1 of 2 ) and Tim Thomas. If he can't, Florida panthers would never be the same team anymore.

You can't just compare line up vs line up. They're too much thing you can't even calculate

You can compare their records though.

Look at the history of the Panthers last 2 playoffs.

And they are proven winners.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't know if Dewar has gotten a completely fair shake. Injuries hasn't helped either.

I think Berube has a hard-on for Kampf. Im practically penciling in Kampf as a regular, along with the main guys. This is the way I see it if we potentially get Laughton or another center

------------------------------------

Knies - Mathews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Laughton - Jarnkrok
Lorentz - Kampf - *Paccioretty
*Holmberg
*Robertson
Dewar (traded)
Reaves (Maybe traded? Doubt real value)

Maybe, but Berube has also cut down Kampf ice time quite a bit. Almost 3 min less than his career high under Keefe and the lowest average since his rookie season

David Pagnotta said in his blog that if the the leafs put Minten on the table, the Scott Laughton will be a leaf.

Thats apparently what the Flyers are holding out on but the leafs are trying to work around.

At this point I think he should be viewed as the leading candidate.

His fancy stats are good, his caphit is the easiest to deal with if they also want to add a depth D man.

And he's likely the most affordable. I'll be genuinely surprised if he's not a Leaf at the tdl. See ya Minten

 

[Fogelhund]

I am uncomfortable with trading our 2026 1st with the contract status of Marner & Tavares and the health status of Matthews. Not gonna lie.

I get it... but that first is going to be in the 20's at best.. maybe late 20's if we play well in the playoffs. Such a player isn't going to contribute for 2-5 years, depending on whether forward, or D. Our window isn't going to be open forever. I'd hate to give away a first on a rental, but if it's someone we can have for 2-4 years... I'm ok with that.

 

[Smif]

I get it... but that first is going to be in the 20's at best.. maybe late 20's if we play well in the playoffs. Such a player isn't going to contribute for 2-5 years, depending on whether forward, or D. Our window isn't going to be open forever. I'd hate to give away a first on a rental, but if it's someone we can have for 2-4 years... I'm ok with that.

What I'm saying is 2026 doesn't seem so certain to me. There's a chance that 1st could be higher than you think.