Trades & Free Agency Talk XXIX

[Wabit]

 

[Digitalbooya]

LOL. I love it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Values up!! Trade. Trade. Trade. Trade. Trade.

 

[SupremeNachos]

 

[AJ Thelen]

Looks like Blues are having a firesale.

I'm curious what it would take us to land Tarasenko.

Now that they are clearly selling the value on players might 'drop' a notch, would Nino+Coyle do the trick?

 

[TaLoN]

Looks like Blues are having a firesale.

I'm curious what it would take us to land Tarasenko.

Now that they are clearly selling the value on players might 'drop' a notch, would Nino+Coyle do the trick?

If they're having a fire sale, they want futures. Nino and Coyle are not that.

 

[Wabit]

If they're having a fire sale, they want futures. Nino and Coyle are not that.

I'm thinking it'll be more of a retool with Buffalo owning one of their 1st (top-10 protected this year, but no protection the next year). They'll sell off their rentals but keep Tarasenko/ROR unless someone blows them away with an offer. Finding a goalie should be their main priority.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I’d offer a lot for Tarasenko.

 

[2Pair]

Russo's latest article has some quotes from Coyle. Sounds like he might be ready to move on.

 

[AKL]

Russo's latest article has some quotes from Coyle. Sounds like he might be ready to move on.

Can you post some of the quotes?

 

[kfan22]

the more I think about it of the names that have been kicked around I think Mark Stone would be the best fit out of possible trade tarkets

 

[2Pair]

Can you post some of the quotes?

“It’s both a blessing and a sin to be versatile,” Coyle, 26, said. “It is. Injuries go down, and who’s the guy who’s got to go from here to there to there to there? It’s me.
“And I take a lot of pride in that. I always have. And every team needs that. But I want to be a more consistent player and to be more consistent you’ve got to be in a consistent place. It’s that simple. And I’ve never really had that for a long period of time. If that’s what’s going to help our team win, that’s what I’m going to do. But I feel like I could be really consistent and a bigger force if I get that chance to (stay in one place).

“I think staying in one position is going to help me,” Coyle said. “Anytime I’m at that position, I play it, I’m going to be more consistent at it. It’s that simple. That game got me jumpstarted right away (Tuesday). It was one of those games where I was getting the puck in stride.”
Asked if he has met with Boudreau to discuss the coach’s propensity for bouncing him around, Coyle said, “We talk and all that. But I’m that guy. It’s team-first and that’s how I’ve always been and that’s how it’s going to be.”

Coyle said he looks at this chance of centering Parise and Niederreiter as an opportunity to “100 percent” prove that, if he’s kept in one spot, he can excel.
“And I think they know it,” Coyle said. “But it’s a matter of I guess what’s best for the team. That’s what they think, and me being the guy to move around, and that’s it.”

 

[AKL]

“It’s both a blessing and a sin to be versatile,” Coyle, 26, said. “It is. Injuries go down, and who’s the guy who’s got to go from here to there to there to there? It’s me.
“And I take a lot of pride in that. I always have. And every team needs that. But I want to be a more consistent player and to be more consistent you’ve got to be in a consistent place. It’s that simple. And I’ve never really had that for a long period of time. If that’s what’s going to help our team win, that’s what I’m going to do. But I feel like I could be really consistent and a bigger force if I get that chance to (stay in one place).

“I think staying in one position is going to help me,” Coyle said. “Anytime I’m at that position, I play it, I’m going to be more consistent at it. It’s that simple. That game got me jumpstarted right away (Tuesday). It was one of those games where I was getting the puck in stride.”
Asked if he has met with Boudreau to discuss the coach’s propensity for bouncing him around, Coyle said, “We talk and all that. But I’m that guy. It’s team-first and that’s how I’ve always been and that’s how it’s going to be.”

Coyle said he looks at this chance of centering Parise and Niederreiter as an opportunity to “100 percent” prove that, if he’s kept in one spot, he can excel.
“And I think they know it,” Coyle said. “But it’s a matter of I guess what’s best for the team. That’s what they think, and me being the guy to move around, and that’s it.”

Interesting. I'm sure he's not wrong, but at the same time, I don't believe he'd be treated any different on most other teams. The reason he's so highly sought after is because of that versatility, and he probably knows it. Oh well.

 

[2Pair]

Interesting. I'm sure he's not wrong, but at the same time, I don't believe he'd be treated any different on most other teams. The reason he's so highly sought after is because of that versatility, and he probably knows it. Oh well.

I think most teams have a fair amount of fluctuation between linemates. I would bet most don't flop a guy between center and wing as often as Boudreau does it to Coyle.

 

[AKL]

I think most teams have a fair amount of fluctuation between linemates. I would bet most don't flop a guy between center and wing as often as Boudreau does it to Coyle.

I'd guess most teams don't have the center issues we've had in his time here, and most teams don't have a guy who can more or less play both adequately enough.
I do wish they would just keep him at one or the other full time, but it's easy to understand why they flip him in instances like this.

Also, hasn't he pretty much been flipped between wing and center since he left BU for St John's?

 

[Wabit]

Coyle has played mostly RW the last 2 seasons under BB:
- Staal and Koivu have had the top 2 spots locked down without missing many games.
- Cullen/JEE filled most of the 3C's duties last year. He took a lot of FOs, but still played the wing position. ~88% of the 5v5 time he was with Staal (21%), Koivu (13%), JEE (22%), or Cullen (31%). He bounced lines, but still played mainly RW.
-Haula/Hanzal filled the 3C spot the year before. ~87% of the 5v5 time he was with either Staal (62%), Hanzal (11%), or Haula (14%).

This season he's been bounced around between positions and lines. Blame him, the coaches, circumstances, linemates, or whatever.
-Having 0 chemistry with JEE/Greenway no matter if he was center or wing.
-Not looking good when he played on Koivu or Staal's line.
-Koivu getting injured.

He's just looked like a bad fit everywhere he's played in the lineup since he got injured last year. Every once in awhile the player he was 2-3 seasons ago shows up on the ice and he reminds us how good he can be. Those game are just few and far between.

 

[2Pair]

Coyle has played mostly RW the last 2 seasons under BB:
- Staal and Koivu have had the top 2 spots locked down without missing many games.
- Cullen/JEE filled most of the 3C's duties last year. He took a lot of FOs, but still played the wing position. ~88% of the 5v5 time he was with Staal (21%), Koivu (13%), JEE (22%), or Cullen (31%). He bounced lines, but still played mainly RW.
-Haula/Hanzal filled the 3C spot the year before. ~87% of the 5v5 time he was with either Staal (62%), Hanzal (11%), or Haula (14%).

This season he's been bounced around between positions and lines. Blame him, the coaches, circumstances, linemates, or whatever.
-Having 0 chemistry with JEE/Greenway no matter if he was center or wing.
-Not looking good when he played on Koivu or Staal's line.
-Koivu getting injured.

He's just looked like a bad fit everywhere he's played in the lineup since he got injured last year. Every once in awhile the player he was 2-3 seasons ago shows up on the ice and he reminds us how good he can be. Those game are just few and far between.

Considering linemates, icetime, and usage, you can make the argument that Coyle has been the Wild's 2nd best forward at even strength this year.

 

[SupremeNachos]

Coyle has played mostly RW the last 2 seasons under BB:
- Staal and Koivu have had the top 2 spots locked down without missing many games.
- Cullen/JEE filled most of the 3C's duties last year. He took a lot of FOs, but still played the wing position. ~88% of the 5v5 time he was with Staal (21%), Koivu (13%), JEE (22%), or Cullen (31%). He bounced lines, but still played mainly RW.
-Haula/Hanzal filled the 3C spot the year before. ~87% of the 5v5 time he was with either Staal (62%), Hanzal (11%), or Haula (14%).

This season he's been bounced around between positions and lines. Blame him, the coaches, circumstances, linemates, or whatever.
-Having 0 chemistry with JEE/Greenway no matter if he was center or wing.
-Not looking good when he played on Koivu or Staal's line.
-Koivu getting injured.

He's just looked like a bad fit everywhere he's played in the lineup since he got injured last year. Every once in awhile the player he was 2-3 seasons ago shows up on the ice and he reminds us how good he can be. Those game are just few and far between.

I thought he looked great the few times it was Nino Koivu Coyle. But yea otherwise he seems to disappear.

 

[Bazeek]

Ignoring reality for a moment: Granlund for Tarasenko. Who says no?

 

[Wabit]

Ignoring reality for a moment: Granlund for Tarasenko. Who says no?

Blues say no, after this season, Granny has 1 year left on his deal and Tarasenko has 4 years left on his.

 

[Goose312]

Ignoring reality for a moment: Granlund for Tarasenko. Who says no?

St Louis says no. I don't think the players are massively far apart in total value, but contracts skew heavily toward Tarasenko's value being higher.

 

[Bazeek]

Blues say no, after this season, Granny has 1 year left on his deal and Tarasenko has 4 years left on his.

St Louis says no. I don't think the players are massively far apart in total value, but contracts skew heavily toward Tarasenko's value being higher.

Fair point, but do the contracts matter that much to the Blues? It seems like the Blues have a number of young players they'll be adding to the roster over the next few seasons, while guys like Bouwmeester falling off. Having to extend Granlund at $8.xm after next season instead of having Tarasenko at $7.5m doesn't seem like an absolute deal breaker. They do have to extend Schenn the same year, though.

The hypothetical draw for them, in my mind, is that they'd get their core shake-up trade without a major downgrade. Similar age, position and production; obviously Granlund's more a playmaker and Tarasenko's more of a shooter.

The Wild lose their best playmaker, but get the goalscorer we haven't really had since Gaborik. Obviously having him signed for longer is nice; I think our cap situation is a little tighter going forward than St Louis's.

 

[Wabit]

Fair point, but do the contracts matter that much to the Blues? It seems like the Blues have a number of young players they'll be adding to the roster over the next few seasons, while guys like Bouwmeester falling off. Having to extend Granlund at $8.xm after next season instead of having Tarasenko at $7.5m doesn't seem like an absolute deal breaker. They do have to extend Schenn the same year, though.

The hypothetical draw for them, in my mind, is that they'd get their core shake-up trade without a major downgrade. Similar age, position and production; obviously Granlund's more a playmaker and Tarasenko's more of a shooter.

The Wild lose their best playmaker, but get the goalscorer we haven't really had since Gaborik. Obviously having him signed for longer is nice; I think our cap situation is a little tighter going forward than St Louis's.

I do think Tarasenko would be a better fit in BB's system than he was in the Hitch/Yeo systems. Even if Granny/Tarasenko were on the same contract I'd take Tarasenko. Playmakers are nice to have, but a goal scorer who creates on his own is more important/valuable. Tarasenko can also be a physical force that Granny just doesn't have the build for.

to Tarasenko who turns 27 today.

 

[grN1g]

Id consider any package for the Tank that didn't include Granny, Kaprizov, and hopefully Dumba but i cant see any package that doesn't include him.

 

[Goose312]

Id consider any package for the Tank that didn't include Granny, Kaprizov, and hopefully Dumba but i cant see any package that doesn't include him.

Dumba's the only guy I wouldn't trade. Well and Dubnyk to an extent just because there's no road to being competitive without him at this point. One for one, or with the Wild adding some level of futures or packaging players there's no one else on the Wild roster I would keep over trading for Tank.

Though full disclosure he's also my favorite non-Wild player.