I feel bad for him as well. He's going through a hell of a time. But as a fan, he is not helping my team at all.
Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition
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Evilhomer
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Cruz Lucius sounds like the name of a boxer in a Rocky movie.
SprDaVE
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Couldn't even muster Scott Morrow in that deal... rough... but solid prospects. Pittsburgh had nothing prospect wise so this will kick start that. Carolina is a great drafting team. Lucius was a steal in 2022 in the 4th round (we picked Hildeby 2 picks before Lucius).
A good deal for Carolina to bolster their scoring, they needed it. A decent start to the retool in Pittsburgh. I'd say it's a win win.
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BallardEra
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Pens board is trashing Dubas over the trade.
Well he is terrible… He ruined something so good in Toronto and now about to ruin Pittsburgh.
BertCorbeau
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Criticism is fair but the market for wingers has been bad for sellers.
SprDaVE
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Pretty underrated. I don't think there's any interest to trade him from their side.
Don’t disagree with you but that’s the type of move I’m hoping Tre can pull out of his ass tomorrow.
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People always expect massive returns for rentals. A 2nd (potentially a 1st), a capable mid line winger locked up to a decent deal and 3 solid prospects (2 of them drafted 2nd round) is not something to be mad at.
I will say they should have been able to grab a first without that horrible condition. That's probably the worst part of it.
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Jimmy Firecracker
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We need an elite PK forward. We’ll go nowhere if we can’t do better than 50% on the PK in the playoffs.
I see Dubas did a Dubas special. That’s a f***ing horrible return
As they should. Its a quantity over quality trade.
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Good or bad as an idea, Dubas apparently valued Bunting over a 1st or its prospect equivalent. I can also appreciate it some if getting rid of conditional picks based on a re-signing has given rise to conditional picks based on team success. As with a number of deals in which a playoff bound team acquires a pending UFA, team success and/or a re-signing should make this trade a rather nice one for Carolina.
Menzinger
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Comes down to Bunting. If he plays well for the Pens, he'd potentially to be able to get a 2nd or maybe even more on his own later on.
I'd say a decent return for a rental, though not a blowout of a win for the Pens
Evilhomer
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Realistically speaking, no fan ever has a credible sense of what any "non-name brand" prospect might become, so I think it's a bit foolish to criticize trades like this because we wouldn't even know what we are criticizing.
Menzinger
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I'd imagine the plan is to keep him for at least into next season.
Then there's retention after that
There’s lots of noise as to how the CAR room turned on him. That, if true, negatively impacts his value.
trellaine201
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I’m sorry but Dubas should be burnt over the coals for that trade. Held out in a bidding war for that! A bunch of mid. Quantity over quality rarely works out. Even the first round pick is conditional, just a horrific trade. Thank God he isn’t here anymore
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I think we have enough PK ability on this team. Goaltending was a massive reason why the PK crapped the bed this season. We also acquired 2 big shot blocking capable PKers. This team really needs someone that can make a difference in terms of scoring chances first and foremost and someone that isn't completely inept defensively or along the boards.
Jason Zucker for example would make a lot of sense if he didn't make over 5M. He fits that mold. Maybe at 50% retention the Leafs can find a way.
I know people don't want him back and all (all valid reasons), but I would do a lot to try and get Nazem Kadri back here. He'd be such a massive boost. That's my massive unrealistic dream by tomorrow.
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TheGreenTBer
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I don't think it's that bad of a return in general, a lot of quantity over quality but no one is trading their elite prospects for guys without term and the Penguins' prospect pool was abysmal. It's not good but it's not a total disaster IMO...and I will never, ever, EVER go out of my way to defend Kyle Dubas because he can go eat a bowl of pine cones.
That said, if Dubas values Bunting over a good prospect for a team in Pittsburgh's position he has lost his mind. They need to set a nuclear warhead to that roster ASAP whether Crosby likes it or not. They aren't winning shit anytime soon, full stop.
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