Speculation: Trade Thread Part XII

[RGY]

I agree, for Winnipeg. If we can't resign Girardi to a reasonable number it's an absolute steal for us. Then we just sit and pray Girardi resigns there making the pick a 5th

Huh? Oh god this is brutal.

So we are going to trade Stepan and potentially our 1st round pick (after we didnt have one this past year) for a player who either could only get an ECHL deal during the lockout last year because an AHL team wouldn't give him one OR because he chose to play in the ECHL. Devin Setoguchi has scored 40+ points only TWICE in his career. TWICE. He had 65 points....SIX seasons ago. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre. BUT we should trade our 23 year old center who has scored at least 40 points 3 times already. AND even with his poor year, he is STILL on pace for 40+ points.

Those are just FACTS...that's all...just facts.

Oh and of course we need more very poor positioned hockey players on our blueline. Byfuglien is a -42 hockey player over his career. He has had only ONE + season in his career. Girardi is a +7 over his career. Yeah Buff offers the offense but he certainly hurts the team on defense.

Talk about a "steal"

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Huh? Oh god this is brutal.

So we are going to trade Stepan and potentially our 1st round pick (after we didnt have one this past year) for a player who either could only get an ECHL deal during the lockout last year because an AHL team wouldn't give him one OR because he chose to play in the ECHL. Devin Setoguchi has scored 40+ points only TWICE in his career. TWICE. He had 65 points....SIX seasons ago. Other than that he has been extremely mediocre. BUT we should trade our 23 year old center who has scored at least 40 points 3 times already. AND even with his poor year, he is STILL on pace for 40+ points.

Those are just FACTS...that's all...just facts.

I guessed you missed that whole "Byfuglien" thing there huh

Stepan is over rated. Setoguchi has finish to his game, plays hard and takes the body. Very under rated player. Stepan can also easily be replaced via UFA when Richards is bought out

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-Callahan
Hagelin-Miller-Setoguchi

then roll a bruiser 4th line/defensive line

McDonagh-Byfuglien
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Moore

Falk

 

[RGY]

I guessed you missed that whole "Byfuglien" thing there huh

Stepan is over rated. Setoguchi has finish to his game, plays hard and takes the body. Very under rated player. Stepan can also easily be replaced via UFA when Richards is bought out

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-Callahan
Hagelin-Miller-Setoguchi

then roll a bruiser 4th line/defensive line

McDonagh-Byfuglien
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Moore

Falk

Stepan is overrated? Based on what? Oh do tell because I can't wait for this intelligent explanation. Oh, wait let me guess...is it because he doesn't take the body as hard as every other player in the NHL? I guess Datsyuk is overrated as well. I gave you the numbers. If you want to ignore facts then I cannot waste anymore time on you.

And finish? Setoguchi has finish? He scored 31 goals six years ago! SIX YEARS AGO. Since then he has barely been a 20 goal scorer. How many goals does setoguchi have this year? I'll tell you....8. Do you know how many Benoit Pouliot has? I'll also give you that answer...8. Should we say Benoit Pouliot has more value than Derek Stepan? Just great insight on your part.

Do your homework first. Opinions are fine, but don't be stubborn when you are shown the facts.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Stepan is overrated? Based on what? Oh do tell because I can't wait for this intelligent explanation. Oh, wait let me guess...is it because he doesn't take the body as hard as every other player in the NHL? I guess Datsyuk is overrated as well. I gave you the numbers. If you want to ignore facts then I cannot waste anymore time on you.

And finish? Setoguchi has finish? He scored 31 goals six years ago! SIX YEARS AGO. Since then he has barely been a 20 goal scorer. How many goals does setoguchi have this year? I'll tell you....8. Do you know how many Benoit Pouliot has? I'll also give you that answer...8. Should we say Benoit Pouliot has more value than Derek Stepan? Just great insight on your part.

Do your homework first. Opinions are fine, but don't be stubborn when you are shown the facts.

You're funny. You use strictly stats to base your argument off of yet Setoguchi has scored over 60 points and over 30 goals. But because he did it a few years ago it doesn't count. If you actually watch Setoguchi he's one of those players that still contributes at a high level even if he's not on the score sheet. He's also gotten considerably less ice time than Stepan. He's a gritty player that can considerably chip in offense; I think it's pretty obvious this team needs more grit.

If you spend 5 minutes on HFNYR, Stepan is overrated by the majority of our fanbase up until as recently as an hour ago when someone finally made a thread ripping him. This guy held out for a measly 100K in an Olympic year and has played putrid, putrid hockey. He has never put up over 51 points in his career and he has always played with talented players in the top 6. This years UFA class for centers as it currently stands is very good. Running Stastny-Brassard-Miller down the middle is an upgrade over Stepan-Richards-Brassard

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

You're funny. You use strictly stats to base your argument off of yet Setoguchi has scored over 60 points and over 30 goals. But because he did it a few years ago it doesn't count. If you actually watch Setoguchi he's one of those players that still contributes at a high level even if he's not on the score sheet. He's also gotten considerably less ice time than Stepan. He's a gritty player that can considerably chip in offense; I think it's pretty obvious this team needs more grit.

If you spend 5 minutes on HFNYR, Stepan is overrated by the majority of our fanbase up until as recently as an hour ago when someone finally made a thread ripping him. This guy held out for a measly 100K in an Olympic year and has played putrid, putrid hockey. He has never put up over 51 points in his career and he has always played with talented players in the top 6. This years UFA class for centers as it currently stands is very good. Running Stastny-Brassard-Miller down the middle is an upgrade over Stepan-Richards-Brassard

Wouldn't go that far, but a Stastny-Stepan-Miller center depth sounds good.

 

[RGY]

You're funny. You use strictly stats to base your argument off of yet Setoguchi has scored over 60 points and over 30 goals. But because he did it a few years ago it doesn't count. If you actually watch Setoguchi he's one of those players that still contributes at a high level even if he's not on the score sheet. He's also gotten considerably less ice time than Stepan. He's a gritty player that can considerably chip in offense; I think it's pretty obvious this team needs more grit.

If you spend 5 minutes on HFNYR, Stepan is overrated by the majority of our fanbase up until as recently as an hour ago when someone finally made a thread ripping him. This guy held out for a measly 100K in an Olympic year and has played putrid, putrid hockey. He has never put up over 51 points in his career and he has always played with talented players in the top 6. This years UFA class for centers as it currently stands is very good. Running Stastny-Brassard-Miller down the middle is an upgrade over Stepan-Richards-Brassard

Funny because I provide facts? He didn't hit those totals a few years ago...he hit them SIX YEARS AGO. He was 21 years old then with his whole career in front of him. He is now 27. He is MEDIOCRE. I have seen him play. You speak of this high level, do you even know what a high level consists of? He decided to play in the ECHL during the lockout last year...clearly shows he wanted to test himself at a high level. Minnesota traded Brent Burns for him and it only took them 2 years to realize he was not worth keeping. His numbers dipped so significantly SJ was willing to pass him along to Minnesota. And you are going to cry foul about his ice time? It's now a conspiracy as to why he hasn't been able to produce. Get real. 40 points is a considerable amount these days? Then why are we trading Stepan? Because he is having a rough season? Thank god you don't run this organization since you would make moves on impulse. The team didn't lose tonight because of grit. They didn't finish and there was a bad play between Moore and Del Zotto.

Stepan IS 23 YEARS OLD His career is far from over. 51 points at age 21 is fantastic. But you know more...we should give up on him.

AND EVEN BETTER...professional athletes should not hold out for what they feel they are worth. Stepan is clearly an outlier and is the first of any kind to hold out for money.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Funny because I provide facts? He didn't hit those totals a few years ago...he hit them SIX YEARS AGO. He was 21 years old then with his whole career in front of him. He is now 27. He is MEDIOCRE. I have seen him play. You speak of this high level, do you even know what a high level consists of? He decided to play in the ECHL during the lockout last year...clearly shows he wanted to test himself at a high level. Minnesota traded Brent Burns for him and it only took them 2 years to realize he was not worth keeping. His numbers dipped so significantly SJ was willing to pass him along to Minnesota. And you are going to cry foul about his ice time? It's now a conspiracy as to why he hasn't been able to produce. Get real. 40 points is a considerable amount these days? Then why are we trading Stepan? Because he is having a rough season? Thank god you don't run this organization since you would make moves on impulse. The team didn't lose tonight because of grit. They didn't finish and there was a bad play between Moore and Del Zotto.

Stepan IS 23 YEARS OLD His career is far from over. 51 points at age 21 is fantastic. But you know more...we should give up on him.

AND EVEN BETTER...professional athletes should not hold out for what they feel they are worth. Stepan is clearly an outlier and is the first of any kind to hold out for money.

Millionaires holding out for a few extra bucks and hurting their team in the process is pretty pathetic if you ask me. I'm not advocating Seto as being better than Stepan. You consistently look at only one side of that trade. Byfuglien is the key piece coming back which you conveniently neglect. The "facts" are that Byfuglien adds a dimension to this team that is severely lacking; a true offensive defenseman. WPG isn't going to give him up for nothing. If Girardi isn't going to resign, he needs to get traded.

The "facts" are that Stepan's season last year was an aberration and he's on pace for something like 12 goals

The "facts" are that the majority of Stepan's points come from secondary assists; he hasn't by any means created enough for Nash

The "facts" are that Stepan is one of the least physically gifted players on this team. The NHL is an explosive league and hockey is now an explosive sport, comparable to football. There's a reason many star football players fizzle out by 28; same with many hockey players. His shot is terrible, his speed doesn't exist, he's simply not an offensive weapon whatsoever. Stastny is a clear cut upgrade, fact all day long

The "facts" are that Girardi is still unsigned and every day that passes is a day closer to us moving him. Byfuglien will fill the void at RHD and then some. Pair him with McDonagh and I can guarantee his +/- will be fine

I just presented you with all the facts. Opinions are great, but if you can't see the facts I can no longer waste time arguing with you

 

[RGY]

Millionaires holding out for a few extra bucks and hurting their team in the process is pretty pathetic if you ask me. I'm not advocating Seto as being better than Stepan. You consistently look at only one side of that trade. Byfuglien is the key piece coming back which you conveniently neglect. The "facts" are that Byfuglien adds a dimension to this team that is severely lacking; a true offensive defenseman. WPG isn't going to give him up for nothing. If Girardi isn't going to resign, he needs to get traded.

The "facts" are that Stepan's season last year was an aberration and he's on pace for something like 12 goals

The "facts" are that the majority of Stepan's points come from secondary assists; he hasn't by any means created enough for Nash

The "facts" are that Stepan is one of the least physically gifted players on this team. The NHL is an explosive league and hockey is now an explosive sport, comparable to football. There's a reason many star football players fizzle out by 28; same with many hockey players. His shot is terrible, his speed doesn't exist, he's simply not an offensive weapon whatsoever. Stastny is a clear cut upgrade, fact all day long

The "facts" are that Girardi is still unsigned and every day that passes is a day closer to us moving him. Byfuglien will fill the void at RHD and then some. Pair him with McDonagh and I can guarantee his +/- will be fine

I just presented you with all the facts. Opinions are great, but if you can't see the facts I can no longer waste time arguing with you

I responded to you including Buff. He would be a liability on this team. This team has struggled all year with man to man defense in their own end. Buff is one of the worst positional defenseman in the league. He is a -42 over the course of his career. Only ONE plus season.

Everything after was opinions other than Girardi being unsigned. I am not sure you know the difference between what a "fact" and an "opinion" is. Maybe you played sick that day it was taught in school because...

It is your OPINION that last year was an "aberration." In FACT it was the opposite. Stepan's production has increased from year to year therefore his increase in production can only be considered part of an upward trend that he created from the previous two seasons.

It is your OPINION that the majority of his points came from secondary assists. Go back and show me the facts. Show me the score sheets. He didn't play with Nash all of last season. He certainly didn't play with him the 2 years before. It is simply you spewing out crap.

It is your OPINION that Stepan is the "least physical gifted" player on this team. And your THEORY that every player has to be "explosive" to play in this league is a far fetched baseless one. Jaromir Jagr would love to contest your little theory. All you sound like is a whiny rangers fan who has a distaste for stepan because he doesnt have the speed of a Kreider or a Hagelin.

It is your OPINION Buff would all the sudden be a plus player being paired with McDonagh. Buff was a minus player on very solid Chicago teams regardless of what position he played there. He is poor defensively. His big shot is great, I like it. But some of you neglect all the other aspects of the game of hockey. Maybe its because you dont fully understand the game. Trading Stepan for a mediocre and older Setoguchi, and trading Girardi for a liability in Buff would be a STEAL for winnipeg. Oh and they get our 1st round pick if they don't re-sign Girardi. Pretty damn big win for WPG.

Spare us all the BS and do some reading. Also look up what an opinion means.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I responded to you including Buff. He would be a liability on this team. This team has struggled all year with man to man defense in their own end. Buff is one of the worst positional defenseman in the league. He is a -42 over the course of his career. Only ONE plus season.

Everything after was opinions other than Girardi being unsigned. I am not sure you know the difference between what a "fact" and an "opinion" is. Maybe you played sick that day it was taught in school because...

It is your OPINION that last year was an "aberration." In FACT it was the opposite. Stepan's production has increased from year to year therefore his increase in production can only be considered part of an upward trend that he created from the previous two seasons.

It is your OPINION that the majority of his points came from secondary assists. Go back and show me the facts. Show me the score sheets. He didn't play with Nash all of last season. He certainly didn't play with him the 2 years before. It is simply you spewing out crap.

It is your OPINION that Stepan is the "least physical gifted" player on this team. And your THEORY that every player has to be "explosive" to play in this league is a far fetched baseless one. Jaromir Jagr would love to contest your little theory. All you sound like is a whiny rangers fan who has a distaste for stepan because he doesnt have the speed of a Kreider or a Hagelin.

It is your OPINION Buff would all the sudden be a plus player being paired with McDonagh. Buff was a minus player on very solid Chicago teams regardless of what position he played there. He is poor defensively. His big shot is great, I like it. But some of you neglect all the other aspects of the game of hockey. Maybe its because you dont fully understand the game. Trading Stepan for a mediocre and older Setoguchi, and trading Girardi for a liability in Buff would be a STEAL for winnipeg. Oh and they get our 1st round pick if they don't re-sign Girardi. Pretty damn big win for WPG.

Spare us all the BS and do some reading. Also look up what an opinion means.

So..hold on. It's increased year to year, he's trending upward, yet he's on pace for 13 goals over an 82 game season. I stopped reading after that. Just gonna have to chalk it up to "to each his own"

 

[RGY]

So..hold on. It's increased year to year, he's trending upward, yet he's on pace for 13 goals over an 82 game season. I stopped reading after that. Just gonna have to chalk it up to "to each his own"

Good, spare us all.

We are all so sorry, none of us knew the season was over tonight. We must have still thought we were playing in a lockout shortened season. Here we are thinking there's 34 games left to be played. Silly us.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Good, spare us all.

We are all so sorry, none of us knew the season was over tonight. We must have still thought we were playing in a lockout shortened season. Here we are thinking there's 34 games left to be played. Silly us.

To those of us with common sense, we can make a pretty safe assessment by saying Stepan's production this year will be trending downward. How downward remains to be seen, but it will certainly be downward.

To those of us that watch the games, we can say with 100% certainty that Stepan is playing terrible hockey. The Stepan fangirls amongst us without common sense continue to blindly defend him. It's ok though; the latter population is getting smaller with each game we have to watch this guy play


Stepan for Perron + 2nd. I do that in a heartbeat. Buy out Richards, sign Stastny. Keep Zucc, Callahan, Brassard

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Zucc-Brassard-Perron
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan

that top 9 has a nice combo of speed, skill and grit. Would definitely need a heavy 4th line though; outside of Kreider and Nash none of those guys are overly big

 

[RGY]

To those of us with common sense, we can make a pretty safe assessment by saying Stepan's production this year will be trending downward. How downward remains to be seen, but it will certainly be downward.

To those of us that watch the games, we can say with 100% certainty that Stepan is playing terrible hockey. The Stepan fangirls amongst us without common sense continue to blindly defend him. It's ok though; the latter population is getting smaller with each game we have to watch this guy play


Stepan for Perron + 2nd. I do that in a heartbeat. Buy out Richards, sign Stastny. Keep Zucc, Callahan, Brassard

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Zucc-Brassard-Perron
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan

that top 9 has a nice combo of speed, skill and grit. Would definitely need a heavy 4th line though; outside of Kreider and Nash none of those guys are overly big

The problem is you treat life like a video game. You can't just blow up the plan any time there are set backs. You certainly dont trade a 23 year old center who has done nothing but get better in each of his first 3 seasons. He is human. He is allowed to go into a slump. You are just as blind as you claim us to be because no one here is denying Stepan has played poorly. The issue is you trading him the second things go slightly wrong. You dont manage a team that way nor do you manage younger assets that way. You claim we have no common sense but then the next trade you propose is for Perron. Mind blowing. Have you not watched Edmonton this year? This would be another stupid trade.

And the obsession with Stastny....give it a rest. You are ready to buyout richards...youre going to be wishing you didnt hand Stastny the contract he will demand just 2-3 years into it.

Bandaids

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

The problem is you treat life like a video game. You can't just blow up the plan any time there are set backs. You certainly dont trade a 23 year old center who has done nothing but get better in each of his first 3 seasons. He is human. He is allowed to go into a slump. You are just blind as you claim us to be because no one here is denying Stepan has played poorly. The issue is you trading him the second things go slightly wrong. You dont manage a team that way nor do you manage younger assets that way. You claim we have no common sense but then the next trade you propose is for Perron. Mind blowing. Have you not watched Edmonton this year? This would be another stupid trade.

And the obsession with Stastny....give it a rest. You are ready to buyout richards...youre going to be wishing you didnt hand Stastny the contract he will demand just 2-3 years into it.

Bandaids

I have no idea what you're talking about. Perron is having a breakout year on a terrible team and is only 25. Edmonton fans consider him almost untouchable.

I just don't like Stepan's game. He's a poor man's Bergeron when he's on his game. When he's slumping, he's terrible. Both he and Brassard are redundant on this team; the difference is that Stepan has more trade value so I'd rather move him. Brassard also has more natural offensive ability; I'm still waiting for AV to stick his ass at 2C and leave him there. We're a cluster**** at C right now with Richards.

Stastny is a clear cut upgrade over Stepan AND Richards. He's put up over 70 points 3 times and is an elite playmaker; him on a line with Nash and Kreider could be extremely potent. He can distribute the puck to those guys ways Stepan can't even dream about. His stats have deflated the past few seasons from his 75 point years but let's not pretend those Avs teams were good; they were cellar dwellers for many of those years. He's on pace for 61 points and a +16; he's also around .520% for his career on faceoffs. I'm not giving anything a rest; if you don't think Stastny would help this team then you're truly a lost cause

 

[theFiGS]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Perron is having a breakout year on a terrible team and is only 25. Edmonton fans consider him almost untouchable.

I just don't like Stepan's game. He's a poor man's Bergeron when he's on his game. When he's slumping, he's terrible. Both he and Brassard are redundant on this team; the difference is that Stepan has more trade value so I'd rather move him. Brassard also has more natural offensive ability; I'm still waiting for AV to stick his ass at 2C and leave him there. We're a cluster**** at C right now with Richards.

Stastny is a clear cut upgrade over Stepan AND Richards. He's put up over 70 points 3 times and is an elite playmaker; him on a line with Nash and Kreider could be extremely potent. He can distribute the puck to those guys ways Stepan can't even dream about. His stats have deflated the past few seasons from his 75 point years but let's not pretend those Avs teams were good; they were cellar dwellers for many of those years. He's on pace for 61 points and a +16; he's also around .520% for his career on faceoffs. I'm not giving anything a rest; if you don't think Stastny would help this team then you're truly a lost cause

I agree stastny is a clear upgrade but he also fits the build of big payday but don't show up in New York mold to me. Don't ask for stats or reasons why I think that, it's just a gut feeling and I've been a stastny fan since he came into the league. I wouldn't trade stepan at all because I don't trust brass as a 2C rather have stepan there, brass will be our 3C stop gap to when miller is fully developed.
Next season
Perron stastny Nash
Kreider Stepan Callahan
Hagelin brassard zuccccc
???? miller dorsett

Mcdonagh ????
Staal stralman
Moore Mcilrath

What do we do with lindberg fast kristo? I think we need to trade 2 of them for a top 6 LW so Hagelin can be a 3LW where he belongs and accells. I didn't wanna see Callahan resigned but I dunno if the dollars and length make sense I wanna see him back here. Ideally id trade lindberg kristo del zotto for Perron to put at that 2LW spot but if we trade Callahan at the deadline I go after eberle or E Kane .

 

[Raspewtin]

This


Setoguchi + Byfuglien + 2nd

for

Stepan, Girardi + conditional 1st/5th if Girardi resigns

Terrible.

 

[Raspewtin]

I guessed you missed that whole "Byfuglien" thing there huh

Stepan is over rated. Setoguchi has finish to his game, plays hard and takes the body. Very under rated player. Stepan can also easily be replaced via UFA when Richards is bought out

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-Callahan
Hagelin-Miller-Setoguchi

then roll a bruiser 4th line/defensive line

McDonagh-Byfuglien
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Moore

Falk

Stepan is overrated but Devin ****ing Setoguchi is underrated?

 

[theFiGS]

Can we just trade Girardi and Callahan to a cup contender for picks and prospects then have them resign in the summer for 5 years 6 mil each? That would be perfect

 

[Raspewtin]

Can we just trade Girardi and Callahan to a cup contender for picks and prospects then have them resign in the summer for 5 years 6 mil each? That would be perfect

Probably not because Sather thinks we're contenders

 

[Ola]

http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/in-big-picture-deals-may-not-help-rangers/

Dan Girardi and Ryan Callahan are the Rangers’ chips as rental properties, but there isn’t a scintilla of available evidence — not even from Anthony Bosch or through purloined material — Sather has made either available … or that he is planning to go in that direction.

There is no doubt Girardi would become the prime rental property on the market given his value to a contender as a right-side, minutes-eating, top-four defenseman. Of course, that is exactly the value he brings to the Rangers so long as the general manager fancies his team a contender.

Sather might consider what the Penguins might be willing to move in terms of young assets in order to get Callahan on Sidney Crosby’s right wing, but the GM is probably far more prone to consider what it would mean if his current captain scored a boatload of goals to knock the Rangers out of the postseason.

In other words, what it would mean not in the long run, but to the chance of a long run in the playoffs.

Brooks is skipping a step. You can certainly make arguments both ways on whether its best to dump Cally or Girardi looking 3-5 years ahead. I mean, how exactly does it help us to get Sbisa, Souray and a 1st for Girardi? Ok, if the 1st turns out to be one of those steals. The odds for that is maybe 1 / 30. We get some cap-space, but what is that worth? We will see some insane deals in the near future, we don't exactly have the best track-records with UFAs.

Ottawa proclaimed that they will sacrifize their future to get better now (but they are not prepared to deal any of their good prospects or young players, don't be getting any ideas now!).

Half the league is living on LTIR and won't have any cap-space come deadline. I am not opposed to taking 50% of Girardi's contract back in a deal, if it means we get ONE young grade-A piece back, IE at least a top 20-30 prospect outside the NHL. A top 10 pick, or something like that. But we aren't even getting other teams' JT Millers.

 

[theFiGS]

Imagine we traded out captain to Pittsburgh and they win a cup? This board would shut down

 

[iamitter]

I can only imagine the outrage here if we miss the playoffs and both Girardi and Callahan don't resign & we don't trade either.

 

[slipknottin]

Staal for Faulk is actually a pretty interesting idea.

Gives the rangers a top pair for perhaps the next decade.

Would leave them with a bit of excess at RD, so they could move girardi/stralman for another LD, and perhaps move MDZ still as well.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I know how highly Canes fans value him, and I like him, but Justin Faulk has never really wowed me to the point of considering him a top pairing D. He is prone to MDZ-caliber mistakes in his own end that would have him torn apart on here. I will be keeping a close eye on him at Sochi.

Derek Stepan for Perron and a pick is one of the most terrible offers I've seen on here in a while and that's saying something. The kid is struggling though no doubt. He needs to work on his conditioning in a bad way over the summer. Sluggish.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Stastny is a clear cut upgrade over Stepan AND Richards. He's put up over 70 points 3 times and is an elite playmaker; him on a line with Nash and Kreider could be extremely potent. He can distribute the puck to those guys ways Stepan can't even dream about. His stats have deflated the past few seasons from his 75 point years but let's not pretend those Avs teams were good; they were cellar dwellers for many of those years. He's on pace for 61 points and a +16; he's also around .520% for his career on faceoffs. I'm not giving anything a rest; if you don't think Stastny would help this team then you're truly a lost cause

Replace Stastny with Richards and Nash with Gaborik and this exact post could have been made in 2010.

Also if you think Stepan is slow, Stastny is no upgrade.

 

[Ail]

I can only imagine the outrage here if we miss the playoffs and both Girardi and Callahan don't resign & we don't trade either.

Rightfully so. Beyond terrible asset management.