Speculation: Trade Thread Part XI: New year...no trades.
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I wouldn't be opposed to playing Allen and McIlrath the rest of the way.
Del Zotto makes mistakes that are so bad that they even surprise the opposing team.
I liked Miller on the checking line (3rd). Let him get comfortable at the NHL level first. He's not a finesse player. Putting him on the 1st line was rather stupid if you ask me. His goals will come from driving to the net and being in the right place at the right time. The first will improve with confidence and building up his strength. The second will come with confidence. Hags or Zucc should have been shifted to the first line with Miller going down to the 3rd line to center Cally and Poo.
There are some holes on this team. I'll list them out right now in terms of players:
1) Brad Richards. He can't skate anymore. He can't score goals. He's not excelling on face-offs. What good is he to us?
2) Michael Del Zotto. Can't keep the puck in the offensive zone. Can't shoot on net. Can't score a goals as a result of the previous statement. Those are supposed to be his strong suites. Defensively he can't do much correctly.
3) Anton Stralman. What's happened to his game? Team him back up with Arniel and he reverts back to his CBJ self. He doesn't shoot any more. He doesn't play good defense anymore. Again, what need does he fill?
4) Dominic Moore. He's not a huge hole but there could be an improvement on the 4th line over him. He doesn't bring physicality. He's not particularly fast. He'd be an ideal 13th player. Same league as Poo. Someone you bring in when you need to but shouldn't count on to play game in and game out.
5) Derek Dorsett. Love his heart. But let's face the facts. He's not big enough to intimidate anyone. When his wrist was hurt he fought NO ONE. We have no physical presence. Kreider is our toughest guy now and he has no idea how to even throw a punch.
6) Ryan Callahan. Which Callahan are we getting? The Cally that earned the captaincy fought for his team mates. He set an example by finishing his checks, playing balls to the wall every shift, not taking **** from ANYONE. This year, he's not even doing the one thing that led him to get the captain's role - constant and relentless effort. He doesn't finish his checks anymore, he's not sticking up for his team mates, he's trying to stay out of the mud and be a finesse player. That's not the type of player we need as a captain. We need the type of player that he was 2 years ago.
7) Rick Nash. Same can be said about Rick as was just said about Cally. Which Nash are we getting? The one who's out of shape, not using his legs? That's not what 8 mill should get you.
Too many holes to be consistently successful.
Del Zotto makes mistakes that are so bad that they even surprise the opposing team.
I liked Miller on the checking line (3rd). Let him get comfortable at the NHL level first. He's not a finesse player. Putting him on the 1st line was rather stupid if you ask me. His goals will come from driving to the net and being in the right place at the right time. The first will improve with confidence and building up his strength. The second will come with confidence. Hags or Zucc should have been shifted to the first line with Miller going down to the 3rd line to center Cally and Poo.
There are some holes on this team. I'll list them out right now in terms of players:
1) Brad Richards. He can't skate anymore. He can't score goals. He's not excelling on face-offs. What good is he to us?
2) Michael Del Zotto. Can't keep the puck in the offensive zone. Can't shoot on net. Can't score a goals as a result of the previous statement. Those are supposed to be his strong suites. Defensively he can't do much correctly.
3) Anton Stralman. What's happened to his game? Team him back up with Arniel and he reverts back to his CBJ self. He doesn't shoot any more. He doesn't play good defense anymore. Again, what need does he fill?
4) Dominic Moore. He's not a huge hole but there could be an improvement on the 4th line over him. He doesn't bring physicality. He's not particularly fast. He'd be an ideal 13th player. Same league as Poo. Someone you bring in when you need to but shouldn't count on to play game in and game out.
5) Derek Dorsett. Love his heart. But let's face the facts. He's not big enough to intimidate anyone. When his wrist was hurt he fought NO ONE. We have no physical presence. Kreider is our toughest guy now and he has no idea how to even throw a punch.
6) Ryan Callahan. Which Callahan are we getting? The Cally that earned the captaincy fought for his team mates. He set an example by finishing his checks, playing balls to the wall every shift, not taking **** from ANYONE. This year, he's not even doing the one thing that led him to get the captain's role - constant and relentless effort. He doesn't finish his checks anymore, he's not sticking up for his team mates, he's trying to stay out of the mud and be a finesse player. That's not the type of player we need as a captain. We need the type of player that he was 2 years ago.
7) Rick Nash. Same can be said about Rick as was just said about Cally. Which Nash are we getting? The one who's out of shape, not using his legs? That's not what 8 mill should get you.
Too many holes to be consistently successful.
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They have a ******** of NHL ready prospects on forward and defense. Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, DeKeyser, Sproul..oh my.
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That is why I asked haha I would love to see Jurco, Nyquist, and Tatar coming back... would that actually happen... I doubt it
Think Sather can swing this deal:
Girardi
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Silfverberg, Ana 1st - they still have the Ott first.
Girardi
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Silfverberg, Ana 1st - they still have the Ott first.
DeadPuck
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Short answer: who cares?
Long answer: In the short term, Stralman. Allen or McIlrath can be called up to fill a spot. Anaheim would have to send some salary back, so maybe they throw in Sbisa or Souray. We could trade other assets for a dman.
None of those options are going to be as good as Girardi this year, but we need to take the long term view here.
TheTakedown
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yeah, then Allen comes up and takes the third spot...
Opposing wingers will have a ball of a time scoring on us with that right hand D "depth"
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If they move Callahan and Girardi, which IMO they should do, struggling for the rest of this year wouldn't be that big of a deal because of the pick they would be receiving in this years draft. Find a replacement in the off-season or bring in someone in a trade for MDZ.
I think Anaheim would pass. Silfverberg was the main piece in the Ryan trade, and he's their long-term replacement for Selanne.
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Agreed, think lower end as far as young players. Friberg? Kerdiles? Noesen (Hurt)? Rakell? Theodore?
I highly doubt they move Etem although he is exactly who the Rangers should focus on. Big, skates like the wind, hits. He is Kreider and I don't say that lightly.
Rakell and Noesen are names that jump out at me from that list. Both were with the Whalers while JT Miller was there, so they've probably been on the Rangers' radar for a while.
I could see the Rangers targeting a package of Vatenen and one of Noesen or Rakell in exchange for Girardi at a reduced salary.
Inferno
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losing cally and/or girardi would hurt in the short term..but how much.
teams been playing pretty much exactly the same with or without cally.
Girardis loss would be tougher to gauge, but either way, it wouldnt make much of a difference...do they go from being a below average team to being a terrible team just by losing him? Doubtful.
Stralman - McD
MDZ - Staal (i still dont get why the 2 of them havent been paired together more often...staal would make up for so many of his mistakes)
Moore - Allen/Falk
It's not really a HUGE monumental step down...
teams been playing pretty much exactly the same with or without cally.
Girardis loss would be tougher to gauge, but either way, it wouldnt make much of a difference...do they go from being a below average team to being a terrible team just by losing him? Doubtful.
Stralman - McD
MDZ - Staal (i still dont get why the 2 of them havent been paired together more often...staal would make up for so many of his mistakes)
Moore - Allen/Falk
It's not really a HUGE monumental step down...
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I think that's a coup. Noesen is hurt this year (I think a year long injury?). Hard nosed, projects more as a 3rd/2nd line tweener. Similar player to Miller. I like him.
That's the thing. You can trade Girardi and still ice a decent defensive group. Hang onto Del Zotto until the draft if they're that worried about it. Maybe he figures his game out or at least raises his trade value.
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Who's playing the let side on that Staal - DZ pairing? I think one of the biggest issues with Del Zotto is that he's been playing the right side most of the year as opposed to the left side. He looks much better at LD.
Yeah he lost the whole year with a knee injury that he had to have surgery on. He's one of those guys that could really take off if he found chemistry with a couple of skilled offensive players. Busts his ass every shift, has decent hands and size, and has those intangibles coaches really like. I'd be worried about his skating taking a step back after the knee injury as well. Did a lot to improve it, but a season ending injury could sent him back.
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Nice is not the word I would use.
Stralman - see last night. Let's give him even more minutes. He is good for what he is, but I'd be wary about playing him 22+ min a night. Every night.
Del Zotto has been terrible on the right side. At times he has been passable on the left. Now locked into top-4 minutes.
Moore + a rookie is not instilling much confidence. Though I like Allen.
Not even getting into what happens if McD, Staal, or Stralman get hurt. I can handle the "maximize the return on assets" argument. But the defense without Girardi takes a massive step back, in my opinion.
For the time being, yes, yes it would. But it would also take a huge hit if we signed him for 6 years at a crippling salary cap hit and he continues to regress. By year 3 well be looking to fill the hole he once held. It'll be tough this year without him but it may turn out to be the wisest move for the future. Retool and get solid young depth for him, potentially tank and get a franchise player in the draft. When was the last time we had one of those?
Again, it's the hard thing to do, but sometimes you need to sacrifice to do what's good for the future.
Pitt let go of staal and look at the package they got for a 3c. Anaheim let go of Ryan for a family discount. It's the smart thing to do.
But they are also going for win-now. They have prospects that could fill the same role as Silfverberg. They get better on the blue line. It's hard for us to give up a top pairing defenseman that the fans have loved for nearly a decade.
If they choose to give prospects then the price needs to be inflated. It always has to be inflated when centerpieces are prospects. Prospects carry risk and uncertainty and what we would be giving up is certain and proven. Higher premium needs to be undertaken to hedge the risk. This is a business. We better be getting their best prospect in return if they're unwilling to part with silfverberg.
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Del Zotto + Boyle + Brassard for Gardiner + Kadri (add where necessary)
Girardi + 3rd for Palmieri/Etem + ANA 1st
Kreider Stepan Nash
Pouliot Kadri Zuccarello
Hagelin Richards Palmieri/Etem
Miller Moore Callahan
McDonagh Gardiner
Staal Strahlman
Moore Allen/Falk
Girardi + 3rd for Palmieri/Etem + ANA 1st
Kreider Stepan Nash
Pouliot Kadri Zuccarello
Hagelin Richards Palmieri/Etem
Miller Moore Callahan
McDonagh Gardiner
Staal Strahlman
Moore Allen/Falk
rollingdux
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Girardi would be a great addition but personally really hope those pieces aren't included. (Silfver+ Palms+ or Etem+)
Add in a prospect and it's basically what we got for Ryan who had two years left.
Also would require a d-man going your way, log jam for us.
Add in a prospect and it's basically what we got for Ryan who had two years left.
Also would require a d-man going your way, log jam for us.
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