Speculation: Trade Targets (Part II)

[Larry Hoover]

Leafs fan here...Really think Pavelski to the Leafs is something that would make a lot of sense.

I think Frattin would be a good start, maybe a player like Stuary Percy (2011 First, very solid 2-way D, captain of his team...I expect him to be a player like Hjalmarsson, or a better Gunnarsson).

MacArthur, Bozak, and some D may also be on the table. Maybe Grabovski if he's a player you're looking at.


Question: Can Pavelski still play center, I know he's been used on the wing recently. Would he have good chemistry with Kessel (a shoot first player) or is Pavelski known to be a sniper. Is he physical? I know he's a solid 2-way center.

 

[Barrie22]

Leafs fan here...Really think Pavelski to the Leafs is something that would make a lot of sense.

I think Frattin would be a good start, maybe a player like Stuary Percy (2011 First, very solid 2-way D, captain of his team...I expect him to be a player like Hjalmarsson, or a better Gunnarsson).

MacArthur, Bozak, and some D may also be on the table. Maybe Grabovski if he's a player you're looking at.


Question: Can Pavelski still play center, I know he's been used on the wing recently. Would he have good chemistry with Kessel (a shoot first player) or is Pavelski known to be a sniper. Is he physical? I know he's a solid 2-way center.

pavelski is a winger who takes basically every 2nd draw on the team lol. pavelski takes 18% of the teams face offs, the only player higher then that is thornton at 21.9%

sharks also do not need defense, for pavelski i think a top 6 forward, and a draft pick

 

[Larry Hoover]

pavelski is a winger who takes basically every 2nd draw on the team lol. pavelski takes 18% of the teams face offs, the only player higher then that is thornton at 21.9%

sharks also do not need defense, for pavelski i think a top 6 forward, and a draft pick

Could Pavelski play center though, or is he just good on faceoffs like Steve Ott? I thought an American line (JvR-Pavelski-Kessel) could be a pretty solid line. If he's not a center though, I don't think it makes sense for him to be traded to Toronto,

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Leafs fan here...Really think Pavelski to the Leafs is something that would make a lot of sense.

I think Frattin would be a good start, maybe a player like Stuary Percy (2011 First, very solid 2-way D, captain of his team...I expect him to be a player like Hjalmarsson, or a better Gunnarsson).

MacArthur, Bozak, and some D may also be on the table. Maybe Grabovski if he's a player you're looking at.


Question: Can Pavelski still play center, I know he's been used on the wing recently. Would he have good chemistry with Kessel (a shoot first player) or is Pavelski known to be a sniper. Is he physical? I know he's a solid 2-way center.

Yes he can still play center.

Pros
Intelligence and hockey sense
Great hands.
Good shot.
Great on faceoffs.
Smart defensively and blocks shots.

Cons
Hes not very big
Hes not very fast

Pavelski a very good all around player but hes best suited for #2c role, hes not a #1. Hes simply too small and not a strong enough skater..his lack of speed holds him back moreso than size.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Could Pavelski play center though, or is he just good on faceoffs like Steve Ott? I thought an American line (JvR-Pavelski-Kessel) could be a pretty solid line. If he's not a center though, I don't think it makes sense for him to be traded to Toronto,

That line would work because he has speed on his wings.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

Why does everyone want to trade for a fair to middlin PMD all of a sudden? Trade Murray, move Burns back to D, ice Demers full-time, and we'll be fine in that department. If we are buyers at the deadline the #1 priority should still be to add a fast, scoring winger. Eyes on the prize.

 

[Larry Hoover]

Yes he can still play center.

Pros
Intelligence and hockey sense
Great hands.
Good shot.
Great on faceoffs.
Smart defensively and blocks shots.

Cons
Hes not very big
Hes not very fast

Pavelski a very good all around player but hes best suited for #2c role, hes not a #1. Hes simply too small and not a strong enough skater..his lack of speed holds him back moreso than size.

First of all, I love your user name...big AD fan.

And secondofly, I know you're the big marriage expert. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot--your wife is dead...

But seriously, what would you be looking for in return for Pavelski. I think the Leafs are okay with having 3 good 2nd line centers between Kadri, Pavelski, Grabovski/Bozak (one would be traded).

Is Frattin a good starting point?

 

[Hatrick Marleau]

First of all, I love your user name...big AD fan.

And secondofly, I know you're the big marriage expert. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot--your wife is dead...

But seriously, what would you be looking for in return for Pavelski. I think the Leafs are okay with having 3 good 2nd line centers between Kadri, Pavelski, Grabovski/Bozak (one would be traded).

Is Frattin a good starting point?

Frattin+1st is a good start.

 

[ChubbChubby]

Frattin is no where near close enough, especially as a centerpiece coming back.
The Sharks are still very high on Pavelski because of his versatility and great 2-way play. He's not going to be traded unless it's a huge overpayment, much more than what you're suggesting.

 

[Hero404]

I'm so happy that I started this debate, cause some people are making some great points.

But a few points I would like to highlight. One yes, Pavelski isn't big but he doesn't play his size, he plays bigger then what he is. Another no the Sharks would not trade for a d-man, they have blueline depth and are fine at that end. They are wanting a top 6 forward, and Kessel fits what they are looking for.

Ok don't know if this is legal in the NHL, but what about a three team trade? Kessel to the Sharks, Pavelski and Luongo to the Leafs, and pieces (don't know what they are looking for) to the Canucks. Just an idea.

And one last thought, just a gut feeling. I'm have a feeling that the Sharks will make a trade that is off the radar. Something no one sees coming.

 

[Barrie22]

I'm so happy that I started this debate, cause some people are making some great points.

But a few points I would like to highlight. One yes, Pavelski isn't big but he doesn't play his size, he plays bigger then what he is. Another no the Sharks would not trade for a d-man, they have blueline depth and are fine at that end. They are wanting a top 6 forward, and Kessel fits what they are looking for.

Ok don't know if this is legal in the NHL, but what about a three team trade? Kessel to the Sharks, Pavelski and Luongo to the Leafs, and pieces (don't know what they are looking for) to the Canucks. Just an idea.

And one last thought, just a gut feeling. I'm have a feeling that the Sharks will make a trade that is off the radar. Something no one sees coming.

toronto wins that big time.

 

[Crafton]

Frattin is no where near close enough, especially as a centerpiece coming back.
The Sharks are still very high on Pavelski because of his versatility and great 2-way play. He's not going to be traded unless it's a huge overpayment, much more than what you're suggesting.

agree. i just read on the trade board that if the Sharks don't deal for Frattin they 'aren't truly committed to getting younger' - belly-laugh inducing. he's a good player mind you, but as you say he shouldn't be a centerpiece.

 

[ChubbChubby]

And Frattin is only 3 1/2 years younger than Pavelski. If the Sharks are trying to get younger, I would think they'd hang on to Pavelski and look into moving one of the players with NMCs/NTCs.

 

[ChompChomp]

I wish we could pull a fast one on Glen Sather since he wants Boyle so much:

Boyle, Clowe, Murray and a 2nd for Gaborik and Del Zotto

Marleau-Thornton-Burns
Havlat-Couture-Gaborik (just thought, there is so much talent here you could try many different combos, including having three legit scoring lines)
TJ-Pavs-Wingels
Burish-Desjardins-Whoever

Del Zotto-Vlasic
Irwin-Demers
Braun-Stuart

 

[hockeyball]

I wish we could pull a fast one on Glen Sather since he wants Boyle so much:

Boyle, Clowe, Murray and a 2nd for Gaborik and Del Zotto

Marleau-Thornton-Burns
Havlat-Couture-Gaborik (just thought, there is so much talent here you could try many different combos, including having three legit scoring lines)
TJ-Pavs-Wingels
Burish-Desjardins-Whoever

Del Zotto-Vlasic
Irwin-Demers
Braun-Stuart

Don't want Gaborik, even for free. We can't afford him.

Del Zotto sure, but we need young forwards too.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'm really starting to warm up to Del Zotto. Last year I only saw him as a #4. This season he's a borderline 2-3. If we could somehow nab him I'd be thrilled. We need a top-end young offensive D. Del Zotto is more of a Boyle type than a Burns type. His being a lefty is a bonus.

Del Zotto-Stuart
Vlasic-Demers
Irwin-Braun

Would be my configuartion.

Of course, that's all pointless. DZ's the only real PMD the Rangers have, and they need more of them and not less. If we could trade Pavelski for DZ plus, that might work.

 

[hockeyball]

I'm really starting to warm up to Del Zotto. Last year I only saw him as a #4. This season he's a borderline 2-3. If we could somehow nab him I'd be thrilled. We need a top-end young offensive D. Del Zotto is more of a Boyle type than a Burns type. His being a lefty is a bonus.

Del Zotto-Stuart
Vlasic-Demers
Irwin-Braun

Would be my configuartion.

Of course, that's all pointless. DZ's the only real PMD the Rangers have, and they need more of them and not less. If we could trade Pavelski for DZ plus, that might work.

What happened to Burns?

 

[ChubbChubby]

I'm really starting to warm up to Del Zotto. Last year I only saw him as a #4. This season he's a borderline 2-3. If we could somehow nab him I'd be thrilled. We need a top-end young offensive D. Del Zotto is more of a Boyle type than a Burns type. His being a lefty is a bonus.

Del Zotto-Stuart
Vlasic-Demers
Irwin-Braun

Would be my configuartion.

Of course, that's all pointless. DZ's the only real PMD the Rangers have, and they need more of them and not less. If we could trade Pavelski for DZ plus, that might work.

I don't think trading Pavelski is the right idea unless we get a forward back. We could definitely use more PMD but we're much thinner at top-6 forwards, and half of the ones we have aren't even doing that well. Trading one away will only make that problem worse.

 

[SharksAddict]

I wish we could pull a fast one on Glen Sather since he wants Boyle so much:

Boyle, Clowe, Murray and a 2nd for Gaborik and Del Zotto

Marleau-Thornton-Burns
Havlat-Couture-Gaborik (just thought, there is so much talent here you could try many different combos, including having three legit scoring lines)
TJ-Pavs-Wingels
Burish-Desjardins-Whoever

Del Zotto-Vlasic
Irwin-Demers
Braun-Stuart

No thanks on Gaborik. Now a package of MDZ + Hagelin or MDZ + Stepan + 2nd rounder I would consider.

 

[Lebanezer]

I wish we could pull a fast one on Glen Sather since he wants Boyle so much:

Boyle, Clowe, Murray, Demers and a 2nd for Hagelin, Kreider, Gaborik and Del Zotto

Marleau-Thornton-Burns
Havlat-Couture-Gaborik (just thought, there is so much talent here you could try many different combos, including having three legit scoring lines)
TJ-Pavs-Wingels
Burish-Desjardins-Whoever

Del Zotto-Vlasic
Irwin-Burns
Braun-Stuart

FIFY. It's perfect!!!

 

[Juxtaposer]

What happened to Burns?

Playing forward.

In all seriousness, though, I'd do something more like:

Vlasic-Burns
Del Zotto-Stuart
Braun-Demers
Irwin

That's a really nice D-corps for 5 years. Even when Stuart regresses into a bottom-pairing guy, he'll still be useful.

 

[hockeyball]

Playing forward.

In all seriousness, though, I'd do something more like:

Vlasic-Burns
Del Zotto-Stuart
Braun-Demers
Irwin

That's a really nice D-corps for 5 years. Even when Stuart regresses into a bottom-pairing guy, he'll still be useful.

I agree, similar to what i proposed with White as a temporary fix, but a better long term thing. I still think a Hagelin/Kreider + MDZ for Boyle makes a ton more sense than Gaborik.

 

[hohosaregood]

I agree, similar to what i proposed with White as a temporary fix, but a better long term thing. I still think a Hagelin/Kreider + MDZ for Boyle makes a ton more sense than Gaborik.

I feel like we would have to add a good bit to get that though like maybe our first or Braun/Demers.

 

[Mafoofoo]

I agree, similar to what i proposed with White as a temporary fix, but a better long term thing. I still think a Hagelin/Kreider + MDZ for Boyle makes a ton more sense than Gaborik.

If DW manages to do a Hagelin + MDZ for Boyle trade none of us would be be allowed to talk **** about him for at least 2 months.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I agree, similar to what i proposed with White as a temporary fix, but a better long term thing. I still think a Hagelin/Kreider + MDZ for Boyle makes a ton more sense than Gaborik.

Well, for us it does. No way in hell do the Rangers do that.