Speculation: Trade Speculators, Continue

[Gentleman of Verona]

From TG:

"Defenseman Henrik Tallinder will be a healthy scratch for the seventh game in a row when the Devils host Philadelphia Friday night. Tallinder had what he called an “open-heart discussion†with head coach Pete DeBoer on the ice at the end of today’s practice.

“I think that’s what good coaches do,†Tallinder said. “Sometimes you have to explain the situation and hear what the player thinks and all that just to keep the group intact.â€

Tallinder, 34, has never sat for this long of a stretch without being injured, but knows he has to continue to be patient and wait for his chance.

“It’s not fun,†he admitted. “But it is what it is, as I’ve said before.â€

Sounds like he might actually want to be traded at this point, although I'm not sure that would actually make any difference to Lou.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

From TG:

"Defenseman Henrik Tallinder will be a healthy scratch for the seventh game in a row when the Devils host Philadelphia Friday night. Tallinder had what he called an “open-heart discussion†with head coach Pete DeBoer on the ice at the end of today’s practice.

“I think that’s what good coaches do,†Tallinder said. “Sometimes you have to explain the situation and hear what the player thinks and all that just to keep the group intact.â€

Tallinder, 34, has never sat for this long of a stretch without being injured, but knows he has to continue to be patient and wait for his chance.

“It’s not fun,†he admitted. “But it is what it is, as I’ve said before.â€

Sounds like he might actually want to be traded at this point, although I'm not sure that would actually make any difference to Lou.

Lou Lamoriello has always been fair to his players and will always give them a chance to perform elsewhere if the coaching staff doesn't see a certain player as being "important" to his lineup.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Lou tried to move Tallinder for the good of his player, if he can get a deal he thinks will benefit the team.

Lou is a class act and players around the league know that.

 

[Getzo5]

From TG:

"Defenseman Henrik Tallinder will be a healthy scratch for the seventh game in a row when the Devils host Philadelphia Friday night. Tallinder had what he called an “open-heart discussion” with head coach Pete DeBoer on the ice at the end of today’s practice.

“I think that’s what good coaches do,” Tallinder said. “Sometimes you have to explain the situation and hear what the player thinks and all that just to keep the group intact.”

Tallinder, 34, has never sat for this long of a stretch without being injured, but knows he has to continue to be patient and wait for his chance.

“It’s not fun,” he admitted. “But it is what it is, as I’ve said before.”

Sounds like he might actually want to be traded at this point, although I'm not sure that would actually make any difference to Lou.

No wai. I thought he`d happily sit there for the rest of his contract.

Took him a little bit longer than I thought (good on him for being a good soldier who keeps his mouth shut and does as he`s told), but still. It was just a matter of time. Now I hope they:

A) give him a game or two
B) before they trade him (or someone else, that can`t be ruled out) to a team that needs someone like him

...for someone who will fit into our team in return. Good luck Tally.

 

[Gentleman of Verona]

Lou Lamoriello has always been fair to his players and will always give them a chance to perform elsewhere if the coaching staff doesn't see a certain player as being "important" to his lineup.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Lou tried to move Tallinder for the good of his player, if he can get a deal he thinks will benefit the team.

Lou is a class act and players around the league know that.

Yes, I absolutely agree with that sentiment. However, I kind of get the impression that he truly does value the added depth that keeping Tallinder around brings, perhaps even more than adding some potential offensive depth by trading him, let alone just letting him go for picks to "give him a fair shake" or whatever. But based on those quotes, it does seem that this "status quo" approach might be wearing a bit thin at this point for Tallinder. Interesting situation in any case, but I do think we're in a position of strength here, in general.

 

[Gentleman of Verona]

No wai. I thought he`d happily sit there for the rest of his contract.

Took him a little bit longer than I thought (good on him for being a good soldier who keeps his mouth shut and does as he`s told), but still. It was just a matter of time. Now I hope they:

A) give him a game or two
B) before they trade him (or someone else, that can`t be ruled out) to a team that needs someone like him

...for someone who will fit into our team in return. Good luck Tally.

Well, if Lou really does want to keep him around (which is sort of the impression I get, although I'm just reading tea leaves here) then I would think it might be a good idea to give him a few games soon. I can't see how it would kill us to let Volch or Zids sit for a game or two, especially with all the back-to-backs this year. Tallinder was pretty solid when he did play earlier in the season, IIRC.

 

[Comparison Ford]

I could see us sending him to Ottawa for a late draft pick now that Karlsson is out for a while.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

I could see us sending him to Ottawa for a late draft pick now that Karlsson is out for a while.

Wich is exactly what I suggested but the concensus around here is that we should keep him around for depth purposes instead of landing a pick and according to Sens's fans, they aren't willing to part ways with draft picks for a veteran like Hank cause they'd rather tank since both Spezza and Karlsson are out for the remaining of the year.

Personnaly, I'd take a 3rd round pick and a prospect for Hank. Harrold is more then capable of being our 7th d-men, we'd clear some cap space and would free up around 5M$ of "real $$$" cause he's on the books for the remaining of the year and next year as well.

 

[Gentleman of Verona]

I could see us sending him to Ottawa for a late draft pick now that Karlsson is out for a while.

Well, if he were to be traded, I'd certainly want a bit more than that. Package him with Tedenby (enough with him already, please...) and a prospect or two and at least try to get a passable forward who can help us this season in return. I think the need for solid D-men around the league is strong enough that something along those lines should at least be plausible.

But as I said before, I just get the feeling that Lou would prefer to keep him around.

 

[Mgd31]

I would actually like a roster player back. Do we really think Lou would trade for picks and prospects just so he can play somewhere else.

We can at least get another top 9 player. Esp if we add.

 

[Getzo5]

I could see us sending him to Ottawa for a late draft pick now that Karlsson is out for a while.

If Lou`s perception is that we don`t need another top6 forward (that is OK, but I tend to believe we still do), then yes, I could see him do that, simply because we lost some picks over the last two years. But the picks are not valuable to a team like the Devils at the moment.

Him being a part of a bigger deal could be huge for us and yes, while nobody expects a big return for him, he`s a solid player that can help us get what we want if Lou puts together a few pieces with him.

In a shortened season, every game matters. Yes, one quarter is already behind us, there have been some injuries, but these are still not desperate times. Some teams still have hopes to get in without making changes. That might change soon.

My opinion is that Lou is trying to find the line between the Devils winning and other GMs feeling the sense of urgency. The closer we get to the deadline, the more apparent it will become. If he doesn`t give one or even two of those guys some TOI, they won`t be happy. What`s worse, they will lose some value. It`s a chess match. I just hope Lou finds the right moment to pull the trigger. There are some names available/that could be available soon, but the price might be steep. Or Lou doesn`t think they would be a good fit. Or the other GM doesn`t like what we have to offer. Nobody knows.

I don`t think we`re going to keep 8 serviceable NHL Dmen. Injuries or not, that`s just too much depth as ridiculous as it may sound. Players are called players because they play. It`s not Mark Fraser who`s sitting in the press box.

I would actually like a roster player back. Do we really think Lou would trade for picks and prospects just so he can play somewhere else.

We can at least get another top 9 player. Esp if we add.

What he said.

 

[Gentleman of Verona]

Wich is exactly what I suggested but the concensus around here is that we should keep him around for depth purposes instead of landing a pick and according to Sens's fans, they aren't willing to part ways with draft picks for a veteran like Hank cause they'd rather tank since both Spezza and Karlsson are out for the remaining of the year.

Personnaly, I'd take a 3rd round pick and a prospect for Hank. Harrold is more then capable of being our 7th d-men, we'd clear some cap space and would free up around 5M$ of "real $$$" cause he's on the books for the remaining of the year and next year as well.

That's fine, but only as an offseason move IMHO. If we're to unload him now, we need something that can help us win this season in return. I realize that by himself he won't bring too much, but I think we have the pieces to at least put a semi-attractive package together.

 

[Gentleman of Verona]

"My opinion is that Lou is trying to find the line between the Devils winning and other GMs feeling the sense of urgency. The closer we get to the deadline, the more apparent it will become. If he doesn`t give one or even two of those guys some TOI, they won`t be happy. What`s worse, they will lose some value. It`s a chess match. I just hope Lou finds the right moment to pull the trigger. There are some names available/that could be available soon, but the price might be steep. Or Lou doesn`t think they would be a good fit. Or the other GM doesn`t like what we have to offer. Nobody knows."

I agree with this completely, which is why I think we should play him soon, whether we're trading him or not. It will keep him happy if he's going to stay, and might actually increase his trade value a little if he's not. Again, I can't imagine that we're going to implode defensively if Tallinder gets a game or two, especially on the back end of of a back-to-back.

 

[Saugus]

you have to think Ottawa has to be on the line right now... Since
Karlsonn is down,

how about Tallinder+Merrill for Mike Zbinidjad?

Lou might do it, Ottawa wouldn't.

I just looked at Kulemin's numbers and noticed he had 7 goals last year in 70 games. What happened?

Part of it is that Toronto isn't using him correctly, and part of it is that he has regressed a bit from his peak year.

Maybe to Toronto for a 2014 first?

If only history would repeat itself

That would be awesome. Too bad Burke isn't still the GM there, that could have worked. I don't think Nonis is that dumb.

 

[Getzo5]

Part of it is that Toronto isn't using him correctly, and part of it is that he has regressed a bit from his peak year.

Correct. So just to add to that, we could look at it as a positive. It makes it much easier to trade for him.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Who do we trade with to get a 2015 first and land McDavid?

 

[Devil X]

Who do we trade with to get a 2015 first and land McDavid?

After that nice suite he was in and meeting his heros id say the soon to be tanking Pens!?

 

[The Wumpus]

We need to make a move on D. We can't keep Tallinder sitting. It's a waste of money, if anything. We've got Harrold filling the #7 role just fine.

I'm not sure what the market is for Tallinder, though. He has another year at $3.375mm, which isn't exactly cheap.

 

[Devils86]

I could see us sending him to Ottawa for a late draft pick now that Karlsson is out for a while.

plus a D prospect for Ben Bishop????

 

[apice3*]

We shouldn't trade Tallinder for draft picks. We're in win now mode.

We also shouldn't trade him just to give him a fair chance. All we need to do is trade him for a 5th rounder and see a D-man go down for the season. Then what?

We should hang onto Tallinder until we can get a top 9 player in exchange. I think Ottawa does make a lot of sense. Tallinder doesn't get them a Cup with Karlsson out, but it does give them some defensive depth and he could help them get into the playoffs. At the moment, that's probably their current goal.

I'd love Silfverberg but I doubt Ottawa moves him. If they stumble far in the standings, I wonder if they'd move Alfredsson for his last chance at a Cup? I'd take Condra for a 3rd line role though. Haven't caught much of him this season, though. I'm sure Michalek could be had too.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

That's fine, but only as an offseason move IMHO. If we're to unload him now, we need something that can help us win this season in return. I realize that by himself he won't bring too much, but I think we have the pieces to at least put a semi-attractive package together.

There's really no one in our prospect pool that I would consider as "untouchable", let it be Merrill, Urbom, Josefson, Tedenby and even our 1st round pick.

If we can package him for a top 6 forward, I'm fine with that but if no one is willing to bite, I'd move him when his value will be at it's highest and that's just around the trade deadline. If we wait to move him during the offseason, there's going to be a bunch of UFA's that can be signed with giving up assets, which is the route I'd go for if I was looking to add a blue liner of Hank's caliber.

 

[Oroku Saki*]

We shouldn't trade Tallinder for draft picks. We're in win now mode.

We also shouldn't trade him just to give him a fair chance. All we need to do is trade him for a 5th rounder and see a D-man go down for the season. Then what?

We should hang onto Tallinder until we can get a top 9 player in exchange. I think Ottawa does make a lot of sense. Tallinder doesn't get them a Cup with Karlsson out, but it does give them some defensive depth and he could help them get into the playoffs. At the moment, that's probably their current goal.

I'd love Silfverberg but I doubt Ottawa moves him. If they stumble far in the standings, I wonder if they'd move Alfredsson for his last chance at a Cup? I'd take Condra for a 3rd line role though. Haven't caught much of him this season, though. I'm sure Michalek could be had too.

Is Alfie UFA?

 

[apice3*]

There's really no one in our prospect pool that I would consider as "untouchable", let it be Merrill, Urbom, Josefson, Tedenby and even our 1st round pick.

If we can package him for a top 6 forward, I'm fine with that but if no one is willing to bite, I'd move him when his value will be at it's highest and that's just around the trade deadline. If we wait to move him during the offseason, there's going to be a bunch of UFA's that can be signed with giving up assets, which is the route I'd go for if I was looking to add a blue liner of Hank's caliber.

There is only one untouchable player in the NHL. That's Crosby.

That being said, there are varying degress of tradable. In terms of players with minimal to no games played in the NHL, Merrill is as close to untouchable as it gets. Living in Canada, I'm sure you haven't seen much of him to no fault of your own. You should try to catch a few of his games. The kid is a special talent.

 

[apice3*]

Is Alfie UFA?

Yeah, and I'm not 100% sure but I was under the impression that he is retiring at the end of the year.

 

[TaiMaiShu]

Tallinder will head back to Buffalo. Myers needs a lot of help and Lou is a classy guy. But who would come back? Ott? Stafford?

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Ignla AND Alfie