Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Will we ever get another dman?

[Kerricthebig]

Eh... the question is do you trust Spector?

I'm willing to believe Chia made a big push for Jones. Don't necessarily believe he offered RNH.

I think it's entirely possible that Poile ASKED for RNH, and that's what Spec is interpreting as RNH being on the table.

More than I trust a word that come out of Stauffer. Most journalists have to actually vette their information before putting it to print. Small issues like libel suits are not good for business ya know. That he wrote of multiple sources, so more than one, provided him with agreeing information, in this case Chiarelli offered RNH for Jones, I would say that it is likely. Offered is the key word in that paragraph. If Poile had asked after it he would likely have worded it more along the lines of there being discussion of RNH for Jones.

 

[Narnia]

More than I trust a word that come out of Stauffer. Most journalists have to actually vette their information before putting it to print. Small issues like libel suits are not good for business ya know. That he wrote of multiple sources, so more than one, provided him with agreeing information, in this case Chiarelli offered RNH for Jones, I would say that it is likely. Offered is the key word in that paragraph. If Poile had asked after it he would likely have worded it more along the lines of there being discussion of RNH for Jones.

Don't trust Spector as he's had false information prior to this season that wasn't true.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Considering Jones isn't the type of high-end veteran d-man they need to translate an asset like RNH into, I would disagree.

I think he will be very shortly. Within the next year or two. That is exactly the type of player you move Nuge for or you may find yourself waiting until the carriage turns into a pumpkin. We very well may have missed our best opportunity. Hanging onto Nuge hasn't helped this team in the standings at all.

But for some reason some people here can't bear to part with him even when a young high end rh offensive dman is being packaged for the very type/position player we have a surplus of. Its mind bottling.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Don't trust Spector as he's had false information prior to this season that wasn't true.

Are you calling Mark Spector a liar?

 

[McIce Whole]

That's a late deal. Perron gets dealt once again.

 

[Pablo Aimar]

Spector is a massive d-bag and an idiot but I have seen no evidence he is a liar. When a reporter from a national publication (even Sportnet) says "multiple sources" have confirmed something there is good reason to believe it - especially since he claims to have not gotten a rebuttal (or confirmation) from Chiarelli.

In any case, this is certainly more credible than whatever crap comes out of the mouth of paid Oilers shill Stauffer.

 

[Jumptheshark]

That's a late deal. Perron gets dealt once again.

desperate move by Ducks--Hags is signed for 4 more years at 4mill

 

[Cloned]

desperate move by Ducks--Hags is signed for 4 more years at 4mill

Ducks made out quite well.

They need offense and someone that can actually score and Perron provides that. Plus they get rid of the albatross contract that is Hagelin.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Ducks made out quite well.

They need offense and someone that can actually score and Perron provides that. Plus they get rid of the albatross contract that is Hagelin.

great move by the Ducks short term and Long term--but I think they are a little desperate--best part of the deal is Perron is UFA after this year

Shocked the Pens did not get the Ducks to keep 20% of the contract

 

[Fourier]

I don't like Brodin as a RNH trade target. Left handed and doesn't put up enough offense. Sub 200 lbs and not that physical. Hamonic puts up more points and brings a much more physical element.

RNH + for Brodin and Coyle I would do, but I think there are better targets to pursue in terms of fit.

If the Oilers got Brodin and Coyle for Nuge, which I think might be a stretch, you could then flip Brodin for Hamonic. If Nuge has to go, Hamonic and Coyle would be a very good return. Coyle can play #3C or with skilled guys on the RW.

 

[McOilbleeder]

I wonder if Clendening would be insurance if Anaheim decide to move Vatanen for Drouin.

 

[Fourier]

Maybe the Oilers need some players who play an aggressive, physical game to go along with all their fancy skill.

Scott Laughton points per 60 minutes in 5vs5 situations this year- 1.85 points per 60.

RNH's numbers the last 5 years from this season to rookie season- 1.42, 1.92, 1.50. 1.42, 1.95.

So does downgrading from RNH to Laughton really hurt you offensively at even strength? It certainly doesn't from a defensive standpoint. Adding a top notch power forward in Simmonds has its own set of merits and only dropping down in the 1st round 5-8 spots is not a tough pill to swallow, especially if it's from say 8th-13th.

Oilers get way better at 5vs5 hockey, which is where -23 of their -26 goal differential comes from. As the numbers suggest, RNH does not put up a massive amount of points at even strength. Are we losing much from our PP production by giving McDavid and Draisaitl his ice time on the left half wall where all three players are best suited? I would say no. The PP should be even better by culling from a redundancy in skill sets and adding a proven PP net presence in Simmonds. Laughton will be a better PKer than RNH too. So what is so bad about wanting to be a better, more balanced team in all phases of the game?

You are brutally misrepresenting the stats you are quoting. Laughton is centering Philly's 4th line with two decent wingers in Matt Read and R.J. Umberger. They play against other team's 3rd and 4th line and typically against the oppositions bottom pairing defensemen. He also plays in a division that is by NHL standards pretty wide open so it's not surprising that as 4th lines go they are quiet productive. On the other hand, Claude Giroux is the Flyers #1 center. He has 1.71 ES pts per 60 this year. Are you prepared to suggest that the Flyers offense would actually be better with Laughton replacing Giroux?

Scoring does not scale with minutes. In fact last year Nuge's scoring went up when Nelson reduced the minutes he was playing. But this is especially true if you completely ignore a players role.

Last year Nuge was tied for 19th amongst centers for ES points and was 4th for goals. If you include this year since the beginning of 2014-2015 he is tied with Ryan Johansen for 21st amongst centers with 61 ES points. That was playing against top pairing defensemen and the oppositions best lines. Do you really think that Laughton is in the same class offensively?

As a junior Laughton was very good defensively. But so far in his NHL career he has never shown he can play against the oppositions best. .

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I think he will be very shortly. Within the next year or two. That is exactly the type of player you move Nuge for or you may find yourself waiting until the carriage turns into a pumpkin. We very well may have missed our best opportunity. Hanging onto Nuge hasn't helped this team in the standings at all.

But for some reason some people here can't bear to part with him even when a young high end rh offensive dman is being packaged for the very type/position player we have a surplus of. Its mind bottling.

I completely agree. Drai and McDavid are better fits down the middle for us, and we need stronger people on the wings than Nuge.

I'm honestly becoming more open to moving him in a deal for Hamonic if we have to do it to get it done.

 

[backhandsauce]

Perron had his best year here. You wonder if they move a top six forward out for a D if they look at bringing him back as a UFA?

 

[Spawn]

Perron had his best year here. You wonder if they move a top six forward out for a D if they look at bringing him back as a UFA?

I think the ship has probably sailed. Perron seemed pretty happy after he got dealt. I doubt he'd entertain coming back. And not sure he's really the type of player that Chiarelli is going to be looking to bring in via free agency even if the Oilers do move a forward for D.

 

[duul]

I never liked how Perron played. Too slow of a skater.

 

[Jet Walters]

You are brutally misrepresenting the stats you are quoting. Laughton is centering Philly's 4th line with two decent wingers in Matt Read and R.J. Umberger. They play against other team's 3rd and 4th line and typically against the oppositions bottom pairing defensemen. He also plays in a division that is by NHL standards pretty wide open so it's not surprising that as 4th lines go they are quiet productive. On the other hand, Claude Giroux is the Flyers #1 center. He has 1.71 ES pts per 60 this year. Are you prepared to suggest that the Flyers offense would actually be better with Laughton replacing Giroux?

Scoring does not scale with minutes. In fact last year Nuge's scoring went up when Nelson reduced the minutes he was playing. But this is especially true if you completely ignore a players role.

Last year Nuge was tied for 19th amongst centers for ES points and was 4th for goals. If you include this year since the beginning of 2014-2015 he is tied with Ryan Johansen for 21st amongst centers with 61 ES points. That was playing against top pairing defensemen and the oppositions best lines. Do you really think that Laughton is in the same class offensively?

As a junior Laughton was very good defensively. But so far in his NHL career he has never shown he can play against the oppositions best. .

All I'm trying to say is Laughton and Simmonds instead of RNH on this Oilers roster would increase the Oilers production in the standings, which is all that really matters to me. Yes I know 1 for 1 Laughton is no RNH offensively, but he does bring other intangibles and would be a great middle 6 fit for the Oil for a long time.

 

[belair]

I never liked how Perron played. Too slow of a skater.

He was physical and consistently was in the center of scrums after the whistle. When he was on his game, he routinely got under the opponent's skin. And he also scored goals--lots of them. Hagelin could skate circles around him, but that doesn't make him a better player.

 

[Quinteoilers]

Bickell is on waivers. Any interest?

 

[PinSeeker]

Bickell is on waivers. Any interest?

Hmm. 14 goals last yr. Big. Can he skate?

 

[KidAnger]

Bickell is on waivers. Any interest?

He makes $4.5million next year with a cap hit of $4 million!

Big No thanks!

 

[Faelko]

Bickell is on waivers. Any interest?

I think we could've sent an expiring contract back for him at any time so I doubt the Oilers claim him.

Skill wise he's probably more of the same that we have in the bottom six but contract wise he's not a fit.

 

[Quinteoilers]

I think we could've sent an expiring contract back for him at any time so I doubt the Oilers claim him.

Skill wise he's probably more of the same that we have in the bottom six but contract wise he's not a fit.

I guess if you claim him, you have to waive someone else.

 

[oil Leaks]

My updated list for players of interest Defenceman

Tier 1
Shattenkirk / Pietrangelo
Hamonic
Burns
Byfuglien
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Tier 2
Barrie
Dumba
Vatanen / Lindholm
Ellis
Johnson / Murray
Hamhuis
Ceci
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Tier 3
Gudbranson
Psysk
Orlov
Gelinas
Gunnarsson
K.Miller

 

[belair]

Bickell is on waivers. Any interest?

Wait for him to clear.

Then Nikitin at 50% and Korpikoski for Bickell and Mark McNeill.