Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | Unfinished Business Take 2

[Canovin]

This f***ing horrendous. The Oilers might as well include McDavid's extension rights

Jackson Lacombe is going to be absolute stud. I wouldn't do this deal cause they're Americans. Not going to be easy to lock them up long term

 

[McTonyBrar]

How many left D do the Oilers need?

Move Kulak and replace with Samuelsson. Walman can play the right side. He hasn't been amazing at it but we know he can do it.

Down the line, Samuelsson would be a great replacement for Ekholm

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

No more left D playing the right side. It’s a terrible idea and failed miserably against Florida. You want your D to succeed? Play them in their proper position. Ideally, move on from Ekholm. He is 35 and his age is catching up to him. Also frees up 6M to allocate to a right D and bottom 6 player

Would be a good time to move Ekholm given age and contract value but given Bowman's post season presser it sounds like any moves on D will be cosmetic in the off season and then see how things play out until the TDL next year and make any changes then.

 

[Canovin]

And we signed Tomasek. Our bottom 6 is over loaded. I could not think of a more useless signing than Cody Glass.

Glass is developing into a good net presence type player. That's exactly what we need. If he signs for 1M, that's a steal. All these 1M players signings will allow the Oilers to sign a big fish

 

[McTonyBrar]

Question.

Why has Bowman gone from "I am happy with our goaltending" to a complete reversal and "We are looking at improving our goaltending"?

It's not like the book on Skinner's incompetencies isn't already several meters thick. Perhaps he took Dustbin's word that Skinner would be better despite all the evidence including fancies and eyeballs clearly stating otherwise?

Or perhaps during the player exit meetings this week several players including McDavid told Bowman that we need a consistent starting goalie capable of delivering consistent results and not Roller Coaster Stu in net if we want to win, and that is key to 97 signing an extension?

Just asking for a friend.

That was at the deadline. He saw the shit show in the playoffs. He tried to soften the blow on goaltending saying we had better goaltending in all the rounds except the Florida one.

BULLSHIT.

Kuemper was great. Oettinger was bad but Hill was great for Vegas up until Game 4. I think Bowman knows there needs to be a change there. Team plays very passive when they have no faith in the back end

 

[belair]

No more left D playing the right side. It’s a terrible idea and failed miserably against Florida. You want your D to succeed? Play them in their proper position. Ideally, move on from Ekholm. He is 35 and his age is catching up to him. Also frees up 6M to allocate to a right D and bottom 6 player

We're 100 games from facing Florida again. And I don't think you're finding a Samuelsson calibre RD in this market.

With Bouchard extended they'd have three NHL calibre RD signed heading into next season already.

Samuelsson is a guy I'd have ahead of Brett Kulak. And Kulak is a guy who really put himself in a situation where rebuilding teams see a top four option.

 

[McTonyBrar]

We're 100 games from facing Florida again. And I don't think you're finding a Samuelsson calibre RD in this market.

With Bouchard extended they'd have three NHL calibre RD signed heading into next season already.

Samuelsson is a guy I'd have ahead of Brett Kulak. And Kulak is a guy who really put himself in a situation where rebuilding teams see a top four option.

I'd move Kulak in a one for one trade to be honest. Plus, we're forgetting about Emberson.

Akey is coming along as well

 

[WaitingForUser]

We're 100 games from facing Florida again. And I don't think you're finding a Samuelsson calibre RD in this market.

With Bouchard extended they'd have three NHL calibre RD signed heading into next season already.

Samuelsson is a guy I'd have ahead of Brett Kulak. And Kulak is a guy who really put himself in a situation where rebuilding teams see a top four option.

But would be ahead of Walman? Kulak is going to have to be traded for a RS there is no choice. Great player but the other two are better and we have Nurse

 

[Canovin]

If we can get Peterka for Ekholm, I would do that instead and sign Samuelsson. Sucks to lose Ekholm he's been a trooper but Peterka would boost the Drai line significantly.

Sign Cody Glass
If Kotkaniemi gets bought out, sign him too
Trade Stuart+ for Gibson retention

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Glass-Drai-Peterka
Frederic-Kotkaniemi-Brown
Janmark-Tomasek-Perry
Savoie

Samuelsson-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Nurse-Kulak
Stecher

Gibson
Pickard
Hart

2.3M deadcap

Add a player like Rakell or Kempe at the deadline

 

[belair]

But would be ahead of Walman? Kulak is going to have to be traded for a RS there is no choice. Great player but the other two are better and we have Nurse

Walman is a guy who likely moves to the right side for a lot of the regular season. Doubtful you see a lot of games with both Stecher and Emberson active unless there are injuries, even with the current D setup.

All three of Walman, Nurse and Ekholm are top four placeholders. I'd bring Samuelsson in as a #5 to start, despite him being a pretty reliable minute-eater already.

 

[OilerTyler]

Question.

Why has Bowman gone from "I am happy with our goaltending" to a complete reversal and "We are looking at improving our goaltending"?

It's not like the book on Skinner's incompetencies isn't already several meters thick. Perhaps he took Dustbin's word that Skinner would be better despite all the evidence including fancies and eyeballs clearly stating otherwise?

Or perhaps during the player exit meetings this week several players including McDavid told Bowman that we need a consistent starting goalie capable of delivering consistent results and not Roller Coaster Stu in net if we want to win, and that is key to 97 signing an extension?

Just asking for a friend.

I think that's just Bowman recognizing that it's easier to make goaltending changes in the off-season than it is in February. Our cap situation is more fluid, we have free agency to work with and more teams are looking to make moves in the off-season. I don't think a single decent goaltender was moved at the trade deadline this season. It wouldn't make sense for Bowman to dump on the guys we have if there wasn't a way to improve the situation.

I don't think the locker room is as toxic as people here want it to be tbh. McDavid has only ever spoken positive of Skinner and even told reporters that they should shut up with their criticism after Skinner went on his playoff hot streak.

 

[Sinnerella]

Anything and everything for john gibson lol go look at 2015-2016 and 2016-2017 penguins and do a cap analysis - the oilers literally only need a goalie. Also, my god matt murray actually carried them lol

 

[bellagiobob]

Question.

Why has Bowman gone from "I am happy with our goaltending" to a complete reversal and "We are looking at improving our goaltending"?

It's not like the book on Skinner's incompetencies isn't already several meters thick. Perhaps he took Dustbin's word that Skinner would be better despite all the evidence including fancies and eyeballs clearly stating otherwise?

Or perhaps during the player exit meetings this week several players including McDavid told Bowman that we need a consistent starting goalie capable of delivering consistent results and not Roller Coaster Stu in net if we want to win, and that is key to 97 signing an extension?

Just asking for a friend.

I think his response after the TD was more trying to not destroy the confidence in Stu more than anything else. It wouldn’t be the time to say that we tried to upgrade our tending and failed, wouldn’t be good for a fragile psyche. If the reports are true that they tried to get Swayman last year, it sounds like he did see the need for an upgrade. But this year I’m sure the urgency will be a lot higher, and are at the point that even if they can’t find someone that is considered elite, a change is still better than maintaining the status quo again.

 

[Sra1974]

Question.

Why has Bowman gone from "I am happy with our goaltending" to a complete reversal and "We are looking at improving our goaltending"?

It's not like the book on Skinner's incompetencies isn't already several meters thick. Perhaps he took Dustbin's word that Skinner would be better despite all the evidence including fancies and eyeballs clearly stating otherwise?

Or perhaps during the player exit meetings this week several players including McDavid told Bowman that we need a consistent starting goalie capable of delivering consistent results and not Roller Coaster Stu in net if we want to win, and that is key to 97 signing an extension?

Just asking for a friend.

Well, at the trade deadline he’s already got a fragile struggling goalie that he couldn’t upgrade on. He couldn’t change that fact in that moment. Coming out and saying at that time, I tried as hard as I could to upgrade in these guys has only downside for the team.

He can say it now because he does plan to fix it, has time to and doesn’t have that same worry. Now if he doesn’t fix it and says that in September then there’s a big, big issue.

 

[foshizzle]

Every defensive pair should have a guy that thrives in that role. I think Kulak's defensive game began to slip later in the playoffs and his decisions with the puck left a lot to be desired.

Our PK was abhorrent and we spent far too much time in our own zone against Florida. I'm not sure it's realistic, but I'd have A LOT of time for a 25 year old shutdown defenseman.

Kulak was excellent throughout the players and excelled with Bouchard. His play started to slip, like the other Left dmen- when he was moved to the right side

 

[GhostfaceWu]

If we can get Peterka for Ekholm, I would do that instead and sign Samuelsson. Sucks to lose Ekholm he's been a trooper but Peterka would boost the Drai line significantly.

Sign Cody Glass
If Kotkaniemi gets bought out, sign him too
Trade Stuart+ for Gibson retention

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Glass-Drai-Peterka
Frederic-Kotkaniemi-Brown
Janmark-Tomasek-Perry
Savoie

Samuelsson-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Nurse-Kulak
Stecher

Gibson
Pickard
Hart

2.3M deadcap

Add a player like Rakell or Kempe at the deadline

You guys are crazy if you think Sameulsson is a top pairing defenseman. There is a reason he gets bought out if he does its cause he hasn't been very good the past two seasons and downgrading Ekholm to him will bleed throughout the dcore. Ekholm was on pace for another 40 point season meanwhile Samuelsson tops out as a 15 point defenseman who is suppose to be a defensive d man but hasn't succeeded at even that in buffalo.

 

[foshizzle]

Would be a good time to move Ekholm given age and contract value but given Bowman's post season presser it sounds like any moves on D will be cosmetic in the off season and then see how things play out until the TDL next year and make any changes then.

You’re probably right. I just don’t want to see them pigeonhole a left defenceman playing the right side. That is not a solution

 

[Sinnerella]

Would be a good time to move Ekholm given age and contract value but given Bowman's post season presser it sounds like any moves on D will be cosmetic in the off season and then see how things play out until the TDL next year and make any changes then.

Dont forget "4% retained"

 

[foshizzle]

We're 100 games from facing Florida again. And I don't think you're finding a Samuelsson calibre RD in this market.

With Bouchard extended they'd have three NHL calibre RD signed heading into next season already.

Samuelsson is a guy I'd have ahead of Brett Kulak. And Kulak is a guy who really put himself in a situation where rebuilding teams see a top four option.

Samuelson is a left D. You already have 4 of them and only 1 regular RD. Adding a 5th LD before addressing the right side is insanity. This is now 1 full year of not being able to. We better not start the season with only 1 RD again

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

If we can get Peterka for Ekholm, I would do that instead and sign Samuelsson. Sucks to lose Ekholm he's been a trooper but Peterka would boost the Drai line significantly.

Sign Cody Glass
If Kotkaniemi gets bought out, sign him too
Trade Stuart+ for Gibson retention

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Glass-Drai-Peterka
Frederic-Kotkaniemi-Brown
Janmark-Tomasek-Perry
Savoie

Samuelsson-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Nurse-Kulak
Stecher

Gibson
Pickard
Hart

2.3M deadcap

Add a player like Rakell or Kempe at the deadline

You're forgetting Podz, emberson and there's no way Savoie is our 13th forward

 

[Sinnerella]

But would be ahead of Walman? Kulak is going to have to be traded for a RS there is no choice. Great player but the other two are better and we have Nurse

If we can get Peterka for Ekholm, I would do that instead and sign Samuelsson. Sucks to lose Ekholm he's been a trooper but Peterka would boost the Drai line significantly.

Sign Cody Glass
If Kotkaniemi gets bought out, sign him too
Trade Stuart+ for Gibson retention

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Glass-Drai-Peterka
Frederic-Kotkaniemi-Brown
Janmark-Tomasek-Perry
Savoie

Samuelsson-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Nurse-Kulak
Stecher

Gibson
Pickard
Hart

2.3M deadcap

Add a player like Rakell or Kempe at the deadline

no you do not trade for the winger upgrade now, you do at the deadline for half retention or double retention.

 

[PitkanensGitch]

Pius Suter going to market. Great defensively responsible player who puts up points. No brainer to be in on him.

 

[Sinnerella]

I think his response after the TD was more trying to not destroy the confidence in Stu more than anything else. It wouldn’t be the time to say that we tried to upgrade our tending and failed, wouldn’t be good for a fragile psyche. If the reports are true that they tried to get Swayman last year, it sounds like he did see the need for an upgrade. But this year I’m sure the urgency will be a lot higher, and are at the point that even if they can’t find someone that is considered elite, a change is still better than maintaining the status quo again.

Stu can absolutely be the guy next year, but his goalie peak is 3-4 years away and the oilers want a cup next year lol Having a gibson as an insurance policy/competition factor is more than fine. Stuart skinner has dealt with competition before i am sure he welcomes it - let them battle it out. McDavid just like "yes who is gonna bring me my cup, who is gonna be #1 at the deadline and who is getting traded" lol

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

He probably is too young for a cup contender like us, but yes I agree

Being a team that's very old is a bad thing. Especially in the salary cap NHL where young players breaking out is your best chance at landing value contracts. There's a reason why no team with an average age over 28 has won a Cup in over 20 years. Every Cup winner the past half decade has had young players step in and make a big impact on an ELC. Tampa had Cirelli, Colton, Sergachev, and Cernak on ELCs, as well as a under 25 stud in Point. Colorado had Newhook and Byram make an impact not to mention the monsters Rantanen and Makar. Vegas was one of the older teams but even they had Hague and Howden, and would've slipped in Dorofeyev if it weren't for injuries. The Panthers were also one of the older champions but even they're significantly younger than us on average and ran our shit in with Lundell and Luostarinen.

It's actually the older, 35 year old, declining, expensive non-elite impact players that these teams are trying to get rid of.

 

[belair]

Samuelson is a left D. You already have 4 of them and only 1 regular RD. Adding a 5th LD before addressing the right side is insanity. This is now 1 full year of not being able to. We better not start the season with only 1 RD again

We have three RD today if Bouchard is re-signed. Moving Kulak, a 31 year old heading into his UFA year for a positive return would be proactive if the plan was to add a younger Samuelsson.

Nothing about this is 'insanity'. It's replacing the Oilers #5D with a younger, established option if it's made available.