Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | Unfinished Business Take 2

[Heavy Dee]

If Buffalo wants to make the playoffs, I wouldn't mind trading Ekholm. Something around Ekholm+Arvid for Peterka

Or kulak + Arvidsson

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

95% is still a bold take. Am I still too literal for you?

Actually there is a reason. Lowering the cap hit.

If he thinks he's worth more than that then tell him to make like a tree and f*** off. why doesn't every GM just give out 8 year deals to lower the cap hit on extensions?

Oh right because it's absolutely stupid.

I'm sure Ken Holland thought "If I give Nurse 8 years I won't have to pay him more than 10 million hahahaha I'm so smart"

And, well, look how that turned out.

Frederic isn't some irreplaceable cornerstone. The only "logical" reason to sign him is to get more return on your investment since you traded for him.

 

[Canovin]

the reality here is we HAVE to get a goalie,

id have lots of time for gambling on a spencer knight and trying to get a vet goalie like a gibson to help, if we can get a real starting goalie id be fine with pickard as the back up but we have to find a legit starting goalie

Gotta wait until July 24th to get one

 

[McBigYak]

Right, and we went 11-4 through arguably the 3 best other teams in the West without him. That's the point.

You're painting a picture that it's impossible to get anywhere without him, but we just did. The defence was in a rhythm without him, and probably would have been better off if he didn't come back at all. They pretty clearly can win without him.

Yes. And thank god the actual management team of this club isn't going to come to the same conclusion you do based off of a 15 game sample size.

It is not impossible to not get anywhere without him. But he makes the d core much, much better.

Stanley cup contenders don't deal their best defenseman based off the fact they played 15 good games without him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Another overpay with term during a dead cap.

"But the cap is rising so it's okay to have wastes of cap space on your cap"

You're also arguing with the idea that the Oilers have figured out the salary cap... a year after they had to dump two young assets because they couldn't (or wouldn't) make it fit.

 

[foshizzle]

Are we seriously comparing the guy that just won the Conn Smythe with Frederic? I mean ffs I am someone that actually wants Frederic back but come on.

Yeah we are. I’m not saying he will win the Conn Smythe- but there is no reason he can’t be a 14-18 goal scorer while being good defensively centering a third line, or a 21-25 goal scorer playing with Leon. Prior to this year- what was the most amount of goals Bennett scored in the playoffs? 7?

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Who is replacing Ekholms 22 minutes a night on the left side? Cam Dineen?

kulak
Nurse (puke lol)
Walman

 

[Fishy McScales]

If he thinks he's worth more than that then tell him to make like a tree and f*** off. why doesn't every GM just give out 8 year deals to lower the cap hit on extensions?

Oh right because it's absolutely stupid.

I'm sure Ken Holland thought "If I give Nurse 8 years I won't have to pay him more than 10 million hahahaha I'm so smart"

And, well, look how that turned out.

Frederic isn't some irreplaceable cornerstone. The only "logical" reason to sign him is to get more return on your investment since you traded for him.

Uh GM's do that all the time.

You seem angry.

 

[McBigYak]

kulak
Nurse (puke lol)
Walman

Yeah. We all know how that will go.

If you're going to move someone, it's Kulak.

 

[K1984]

Yes. And thank god the actual management team of this club isn't going to come to the same conclusion you do based off of a 15 game sample size.

It is not impossible to not get anywhere without him. But he makes the d core much, much better.

Stanley cup contenders don't deal their best defenseman based off the fact they played 15 good games out of 100+ total on the year without him.

Stanley Cup contenders don't have Stuart Skinner in net or Podkolzin and Kapenen as second line wingers.

Other than Ekholm imploding in Game 5 and 6 (I get it, injuries), our biggest issue was not getting saves and having nobody that can shoot the puck in the net. By far bigger issues than the luxury of Ekholm.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Yeah. We all know how that will go.

Well having Walman or Kulak play the righty side ain't the answer either

 

[Draiskull]

Need a poll option for "Whoever takes a 1.25Mx1yr deal"

 

[McDNicks17]

"But the cap is rising so it's okay to have wastes of cap space on your cap"

You're also arguing with the idea that the Oilers have figured out the salary cap... a year after they had to dump two young assets because they couldn't (or wouldn't) make it fit.

Cheap players on long term deals aren’t buyouts haha.

 

[McBigYak]

Stanley Cup contenders don't have Stuart Skinner in net or Podkolzin and Kapenen as second line wingers.

Other than Ekholm imploding in Game 5 and 6 (I get it, injuries), our biggest issue was not getting saves and having nobody that can shoot the puck in the net. By far bigger issues than the luxury of Ekholm.

Which can both be addressed without dealing your #1 d man away. If anyone on that left side is getting dealt, it will be Kulak. Optimally Nurse, but that probably isn't happening.

 

[foshizzle]

kulak
Nurse (puke lol)
Walman

Kulak put up elite #1 d pair numbers when he was with Bouchard. He can fill the gap. In my mind, you can’t keep Kulak and Ekholm. You can’t ask a left D to play the right side and expect him to succeed.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

the reality here is we HAVE to get a goalie,

id have lots of time for gambling on a spencer knight and trying to get a vet goalie like a gibson to help, if we can get a real starting goalie id be fine with pickard as the back up but we have to find a legit starting goalie

Yep none of this 1B to help Skinner non sense. We need a legit #1 goalie.

I heard Oilersnation talk about getting Hofer to 1B Skinner… what a disaster that would be.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Yes. And thank god the actual management team of this club isn't going to come to the same conclusion you do based off of a 15 game sample size.

It is not impossible to not get anywhere without him. But he makes the d core much, much better.

Stanley cup contenders don't deal their best defenseman based off the fact they played 15 good games without him.

I'd rather deal Kulak (actually I'd rather deal Nurse but that's not a world we live in), but I think it's reasonable to say we've seen an encouraging glimpse of life without Ekholm, and we've also seen a less encouraging glimpse of life with him going forward.

 

[foshizzle]

Which can both be addressed without dealing your #1 d man away.

Bouchard is your number 1 dman. Kulak and Bouchard put up excellent metrics together until Ekholm came back. As I said above, you cannot ask one of your left D to play his wrong side and expect success. It just doesn’t happen.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Stanley Cup contenders don't have Stuart Skinner in net or Podkolzin and Kapenen as second line wingers.

Other than Ekholm imploding in Game 5 and 6 (I get it, injuries), our biggest issue was not getting saves and having nobody that can shoot the puck in the net. By far bigger issues than the luxury of Ekholm.

1000000% agree. If you fix the top 6 the bottom 6 fixes itself.

A goalie and a top 6 is BY FAR AND AWAY the biggest need of this team.

We showed we can win without Matias Ekholm

Your post is not getting enough love......

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Kulak put up elite #1 d pair numbers when he was with Bouchard. He can fill the gap. In my mind, you can’t keep Kulak and Ekholm. You can’t ask a left D to play the right side and expect him to succeed.

BINGO

 

[Canovin]

I think if we move Ekholm it's because we are signing someone like Gavrikov

 

[Spawn]

95% is still a bold take. Am I still too literal for you?

Actually there is a reason. Lowering the cap hit.

3.75M is a massive overpay for Frederic even on a one year deal.

He was nothing more than a 4th line replacement level player in the NHL this season. Both before and after he got hurt.

This is a player who should be fighting for his NHL career. And we’re about to give him ~30 million dollars.

 

[McShogun99]

Kulak put up elite #1 d pair numbers when he was with Bouchard. He can fill the gap. In my mind, you can’t keep Kulak and Ekholm. You can’t ask a left D to play the right side and expect him to succeed.

One of Kulak, Walman or Ekholm has to go to make room for a right shot partner for Nurse. It will come down to how much cap space they'll need and what the return will be. I'd prefer moving Kulak but this year was the worst Ekholm has looked, even before the injury. Age could be catching up to him and he could get a good return while freeing up 6 million for a RD.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Uh GM's do that all the time.

You seem angry.

...To players that deserve it. You give McDavid and Draisatl 8 year extensions all the time. You don't give guys who managed 4 points in 22 playoff games that kind of term, especially to play in your bottom six.

Like I said, 3 or even 4 years is acceptable. But they're taking an enormous risk on a player they know virtually nothing about since he wasn't healthy his time here.

Cheap players on long term deals aren’t buyouts haha.

What do you think is going to happen when his play inevitably declines and he isn't worth his contract anymore? You think they'll just keep playing him?

 

[MessierThanThou]

I mean I am a Frederic fan but Bennett is faster and more skilled.

Bennett is better by any and every measure. I'd rather take that $4 million and throw in three or four more to bring in Bennett. He's exactly what we need, as much as I hate the bastard.