Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | No More Pacifism For the Oilers?

[CantHaveTkachev]

High-Danger chances at 5v5 were 10-6 in favor of the Oilers.

Which goalies in the game make the big saves? Certainly the guy who’s been a top10 goalies this year while the other guys been ranked in the bottom.

lol flawed stat...like I always say not all high danger chances are created equal...Oilers gave up multiple breakaways, 2-on-1...they left players open in the slot and allowed MacTavish to be all alone front while 3 Oilers were behind the net on the 4-1 goal

did Dostal have to make a single hard save last night? no

 

[Soundwave]

Florida picks up Vanacek from SJ. They are going to be a tough out for anyone. Gaining depth every day. Their GM, Zito, clearly wants 2 in a row.

They might just pull it off even though I don't know if Vanacek has anything to do with it, lol.

Good for them, honestly I can't hate on a team which well run and just gets shit done. Again the one thing I was OK about in losing the Final was Zito and his staff 100% deserved that Cup, our front office didn't deserve it, they were just trying to win a Cup on some lottery balls + making 2 good roster moves every 5 years.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The reason I’m laughing at this is simply for this reason:

Zito: “We have pretty solid goaltending but I better get another one for insurance.”

Bowman & Jackson: “Some days the goaltending goes. Some days the goaltending doesn’t go. Today, the goaltending doesn’t go. That’s the way goaltending goes.”

I'll never forgive this team for getting wet when Holland became available when they were talking to Zito.

 

[Soundwave]

lol flawed stat...like I always say not all high danger chances are created equal...Oilers gave up multiple breakaways, 2-on-1...they left players open in the slot and allowed MacTavish to be all alone front while 3 Oilers were behind the net on the 4-1 goal

did Dostal have to make a single hard save last night? no

Yeah he did actually, just because a goalie makes saves look routine because they're good doesn't mean they're not good saves. Bouchard had several point blank chances, McDavid had the puck on a string and was setting up a lot of good looks.

 

[K1984]

Now an elephant in the room that actually hasn't been beaten beyond dead already, since February 1st Mattias Ekholm has been on the ice for 1GF and 11GA 5v5. Definitely some bad luck that it's that ugly but he's underwater in scoring chance differential too.

Unlike getting a goalie this would be an actual untenable and unsolvable problem if it continues.

He's been atrocious, and at least as bad as Bouchard has been if not worse.

Bouchard gets heat for the highlight reel giveaways, but lately Ekholm has been the poster boy for ripping pucks up the wall, turning them over, and then having the resulting cycle end in our net. Mistake causes the GA the same way, just isn't as directly obvious.

 

[GM BoJack]

Florida picks up Vanacek from SJ. They are going to be a tough out for anyone. Gaining depth every day. Their GM, Zito, clearly wants 2 in a row.

I mean they did ship out Spencer Knight and needed to cover their base.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

McDavid has turned into Stamkos
Bouchard is basically Shattenkirk
Georgiev would be an actual upgrade

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Yeah he did actually, just because a goalie makes saves look routine because they're good doesn't mean they're not good saves. Bouchard had several point blank chances, McDavid had the puck on a string and was setting up a lot of good looks.

nothing compared to the whopper chances the Oilers gave up

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah he did actually, just because a goalie makes saves look routine because they're good doesn't mean they're not good saves. Bouchard had several point blank chances, McDavid had the puck on a string and was setting up a lot of good looks.

I dunno, I think I could save the dreaded Kulak/Nurse/Emberson uncontested muffin from the point.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I wonder if some, who think other teams don't make mistakes and play perfect defense, assume that if your goalie makes saves on mistakes, it's actually like the team cheating itself because it's not learning things the hard way?

It certainly has that feeling.

 

[Soundwave]

nothing compared to the whopper chances the Oilers gave up

Well, again how did you think this was going to work?

That the team was just going to make due with back up goalies every year and never have a breaking point?

You were just going to keep going to Cup Finals with Dan Cloutiers in net? Was that the plan?

What's happening is normal actually. Skinner needed to have the kind of season where he steps up and cements himself as a bonafied starting goalie, ideally a pretty good one. That was the whole song and dance we were sold last year no? You can't be too hard on Skinner! He's young! Wait till he gets more exerperience!

Well he's had the experience of a Cup Final now and game 7 no less, and he's come back with a worse season than the previous two. With a team coming off a grueling previous season, this is the last thing the team needed. It's like being asked to walk 10 km after you're already exhausted ... that would suck in and of itself, now imagine being told you'll be walking all uphill.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I’m sorry but that third goal going in gets every goalie in the f***ing lead roasted. So team made one mistake, first goal happens. That’s fine team mistake. 2nd and 3rd goal shouldn’t happen. Team is pissed thinking here we go again and then the 4th goal happens immediately afterwards. This is a fragile team like Knoblauch said.
If that 2nd goal doesn’t go in AT WORST the game is 2-1 going into the 2nd. But probably only 1-1.
And that’s why people roll their eyes when you try and excuse the goaltending.

Here are the facts. The goaltending is awful. That’s a literal fact, the numbers point to it, the eye test points to it.

The defence has issues yes. HOWEVER looking at the season as a whole the defence has been good. That matches the eye test, it matches the numbers, matches everything.

So what should the org as a whole focus on? The thing that is proven to be bad overall? For most of the year? That can be corrected by adding a single player?

Or should the org focus on the thing that has proven overall they are better than this?

Fixing the ds issues is a coaching thing right now they can correct and adding a player would be nice.

Fixing the goaltending cannot be addressed without a trade and is the most important thing for this team to address.

I'm good with getting a goalie, hope they do....but getting a goalie won't fix the idiotic mental breakdowns this team has every game...that starts with the players

if Gibson came here and immediately has to stop a minimum 2 breakaways every game, we are in trouble

 

[brentashton]

I mean they did ship out Spencer Knight and needed to cover their base.

Duh.

And moving Spencer Knight helped them land a stud in Jones.

The point is they continue to build and get stronger in all areas of their game. It was an observation.

So far we got Frederic.

 

[Arpeggio]

Now an elephant in the room that actually hasn't been beaten beyond dead already, since February 1st Mattias Ekholm has been on the ice for 1GF and 11GA 5v5. Definitely some bad luck that it's that ugly but he's underwater in scoring chance differential too.

Unlike getting a goalie this would be an actual untenable and unsolvable problem if it continues.

He's just frustrated from playing in front of Skinner lol.

Honestly it's to the point where I feel like maybe the entire team has covid or something. The lack of energy vs the beginning of the year is glaring (and it's not like we were a young energetic team to begin with).

Ekholm and Bouchard haven't looked like the same players over the last couple of months. Henrique touches the puck maybe a couple times a game. No net rushes from Hyman, Nugent Hopkins seems to be actively avoiding the puck.

 

[K1984]

I'm good with getting a goalie, hope they do....but getting a goalie won't fix the idiotic mental breakdowns this team has every game...that starts with the players

if Gibson came here and immediately has to stop a minimum 2 breakaways every game, we are in trouble

That would be an improvement at this point. Been close to 1-2 per period lately.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'm good with getting a goalie, hope they do....but getting a goalie won't fix the idiotic mental breakdowns this team has every game...that starts with the players

if Gibson came here and immediately has to stop a minimum 2 breakaways every game, we are in trouble

I’m sorry. You don’t think teams on average give up 2 breakaways a game?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I wonder if some, who think other teams don't make mistakes and play perfect defense, assume that if your goalie makes saves on mistakes, it's actually like the team cheating itself because it's not learning things the hard way?

It certainly has that feeling.

Jimmi there's a difference between a missed assignment and turning the puck over into the slot or leaving a player completely uncontested in a prime scoring area.

Perhaps it's only fitting that when the two teams that were coached by Eakins faced one, only one looked like he never left. And it wasn't the one that had him recently.

I’m sorry. You don’t think teams on average give up 2 breakaways a game?

We certainly don't get that many, I know that much.

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't see why we wouldn't try another goalie just to see. I'm not talking about some expensive option like Gibson. I mean a cheaper option where maybe there's some reason to believe they could offer more.

Reimer makes only 1 million. Of course he's for sale. Nedeljkovic at half is 1.25 aav. We can't fit that in?

If Kane is coming back early, this is the way to do it

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I’m sorry. You don’t think teams on average give up 2 breakaways a game?

no lol...did the Oilers get any last night?

 

[K1984]

He's just frustrated from playing in front of Skinner lol.

Honestly it's to the point where I feel like maybe the entire team has covid or something. The lack of energy vs the beginning of the year is glaring (and it's not like we were a young energetic team to begin with).

Ekholm and Bouchard haven't looked like the same players over the last couple of months. Henrique touches the puck maybe a couple times a game. No net rushes from Hyman, Nugent Hopkins seems to be actively avoiding the puck.

This is my "glass half full" prayer when looking at the situation.

There is some sort of COVID adjacent illness going around. It's taken someone at our office out for two weeks and all he has to do is sit in front of a computer (he's also not one to bail at the first sign of illness). Ekholm was clearly sick, McDavid appeared clearly sick, and even to this day we have guys skipping practice and taking days off.

Lets hope this is a big part of the problem and its not just that these fools are playing at half pace.

 

[Soundwave]

He's just frustrated from playing in front of Skinner lol.

Honestly it's to the point where I feel like maybe the entire team has covid or something. The lack of energy vs the beginning of the year is glaring (and it's not like we were a young energetic team to begin with).

Ekholm and Bouchard haven't looked like the same players over the last couple of months. Henrique touches the puck maybe a couple times a game. No net rushes from Hyman, Nugent Hopkins seems to be actively avoiding the puck.

There's nothing that shocking about any of this stuff, you just aren't used to seeing a good team having to run it back after a Finals run so you think you're seeing "COVID" instead, lol.

You have to expect some sag this season, the problem is the goaltending still sucks so the sag that was inevitably coming is spreading out of control.

 

[Mr Positive]

The reason I’m laughing at this is simply for this reason:

Zito: “We have pretty solid goaltending but I better get another one for insurance.”

Bowman & Jackson: “Some days the goaltending goes. Some days the goaltending doesn’t go. Today, the goaltending doesn’t go. That’s the way goaltending goes.”

Amen. It really doesn't have to be like how the Oilers do it. Not every team believes that a goalies performance is a product of the quality of defense. The skill matters and it's not a hole you want.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Jimmi there's a difference between a missed assignment and turning the puck over into the slot or leaving a player completely uncontested in a prime scoring area.

Perhaps it's only fitting that when the two teams that were coached by Eakins faced one, only one looked like he never left. And it wasn't the one that had him recently.

Totally, which is why the Oilers deserve all the goal against, they made mistakes. It's just like how, when the Oilers used to create turn overs, those all ended up as goals as I recall.

They have to play better, but your goalie making a save because of a breakdown is not a mark of team failing to learn it's lesson, it's how teams work.

 

[oXo Cube]

He's been atrocious, and at least as bad as Bouchard has been if not worse.

Bouchard gets heat for the highlight reel giveaways, but lately Ekholm has been the poster boy for ripping pucks up the wall, turning them over, and then having the resulting cycle end in our net. Mistake causes the GA the same way, just isn't as directly obvious.

Amusingly, the Oilers have one defenseman with a positive goal differential over this stretch and it's John Klingberg.

Like always the teams garbage goaltending is making things look worse than they actually are but pretty much all of the teams highly paid players have been a heavy minus over the last month. Just not going to win like that.

 

[Oilslick941611]

weird how the Ducks never gave up a breakaway but the Oilers gave up 2...I'm sure Gibson will suddenly put brains into the Oilers players

you arent going to convince them.

They are so hard headed in their thinking that a goalie solves everything, that everyone is overlooking the glaring issues the team has. Everyone knows the goalies need to be upgraded, but upgrading the goalie doesn't fix the defense or score goals, both of which are currently more of a pressing need than a goalie., but you'll get called a Skinner bootlicker or even a member of Skinners family for saying so much.

The goalies available on the market are going to change the course of the season, they are going to make games 5-3 instead of 6-3. Teams needs to wake up and play as a team.

The fact that the team so scrambled since coming back from the break is far more concerning to me than any issue skinner gives us. No one skated up to check on Hyman when he got hit last night and was bent over in pain, no one came by to see if he was okay. That tells me there is more than on ice issues at work here. This team, more than ever is a 2horse team and i dont think any deadline changes that now.

Everyone excluding Drai looks uninterested, and even then Drai had a terrible game last night, but thats understandable, you can't be on every game and the poor play of everyone else makes it worse. McDavid was able to get some PP work done last night but not getting it done 5 on 5. Looks awful defensively and offensively. If Mcdavid is going to play the way he's played all year, this team isn't going anywhere and should probably save the assets for the draft and make trades there, seriously. Team is broken.

We have an F tier goalie and only C tier goalies are available and our players are playing like individuals out there. One can be fixed in house, because on paper we are better than this.

Arvidsson, Kane, and Klingberg can f*** off for all i care. I'm even down to trade RNH for an upgrade, be it now, or at the draft. Skinner needs to be sent to the AHL for a conditioning stint to relearn how to play goalie.