Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread | Ken Holland, There's Nowhere to Run to, Nowhere to Hide

[belair]

Both need to happen at the same time. New coach and new goalie. One helps the teams play, the goalie saves the rest.

To what end though?

Throw the first in a trade to move Koskinen's cap and who are you bringing in as replacement? A rental? Or are you bringing in another unestablished goalie with limited history as a starter?

Either way it's question marks and a team that's still giving up five bells consistently.

The team that went out in the third period last night isn't winning many games in the NHL. If that's the kind of product we can expect moving forward, a goalie 'upgrade' isn't doing you much.

 

[Stoneman89]

I'm wondering if at this point there is a rift between management and the team's leadership group? They want changes and Holland is telling them that they have to fix this internally.

Ya think? Tippet so completely exasperated by the play of his goalies that he finally calls one of them out. And McDavid looks dumbfounded with nothing to say in the pressers anymore. And then his GM a couple weeks later, says all is well and they'll fix it internally.

 

[Soundwave]

To what end though?

Throw the first in a trade to move Koskinen's cap and who are you bringing in as replacement? A rental? Or are you bringing in another unestablished goalie with limited history as a starter?

Either way it's question marks and a team that's still giving up five bells consistently.

The team that went out in the third period last night isn't winning many games in the NHL. If that's the kind of product we can expect moving forward, a goalie 'upgrade' isn't doing you much.

lol Skinner shit the bed, lets be honest.

Every team gets some 5 bell chances in a 60 minute hockey game, you can't be allowing 5 goals against on 9 good chances against in an entire game.

It's not even like all those goals were even great chances, several of those even Koskinen stops and Koskinen sucks.

 

[McVirginOil]

Fire Holland before he makes any goalie trades he’s going to get burned.

 

[fuswald]

I'm all for a new coach, but at the end of the day, we need a goalie. Send Koskinen and a first to Chicago for Fleury at 50%. I don't even care about losing the first at this point. If you can get him for a second or good (not great) prospect, do that. If it takes a first (which it will, Holland after all), just do it.

Don't let Holland deal with Chicago it won't end well.
Actually don't deal with Chicago at all it won't end well.

 

[Soundwave]

Fire Holland before he makes any goalie trades he’s going to get burned.

He'll be relieved of GM duties in the summer, we'll see if he goes into panic mode at some point though. He probably has a cut off in his mind if this goes too far, panic mode will be activated.

 

[Stoneman89]

To what end though?

Throw the first in a trade to move Koskinen's cap and who are you bringing in as replacement? A rental? Or are you bringing in another unestablished goalie with limited history as a starter?

Either way it's question marks and a team that's still giving up five bells consistently.

The team that went out in the third period last night isn't winning many games in the NHL. If that's the kind of product we can expect moving forward, a goalie 'upgrade' isn't doing you much.

Oilers are a desperate team that is getting more desperate with each day, with a desperate GM. They are going to get worked over in a trade, no matter how much we hope not. The vultures are circling and it's sad.
I wouldn't want to be the guy that has to tell McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse, that we're going to ride this out for the rest of the year, stock up on picks and then have a reset in the summer. Again.

 

[Soundwave]

Oilers are a desperate team that is getting more desperate with each day, with a desperate GM. They are going to get worked over in a trade, no matter how much we hope not. The vultures are circling and it's sad.

Lou Lams licking his chops to bend the Oilers over for Varlamov. Lets just get it over with.

 

[Soundwave]

I doubt the Oilers have the ability with their present level of management to get a legit starter that can help in the immediate window without giving up a 1st.

I would hope Holland could maybe squeeze Chicago to give up MAF for a 2nd or 3rd, but who really thinks that's happening, lol.

It will cost Edmonton a 1st. Just a matter of whether or not they do it in season or in the summer. In the summer they probably give up a 1st to Boston for Ullmark.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Oilers are a desperate team that is getting more desperate with each day, with a desperate GM. They are going to get worked over in a trade, no matter how much we hope not. The vultures are circling and it's sad.
I wouldn't want to be the guy that has to tell McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse, that we're going to ride this out for the rest of the year, stock up on picks and then have a reset in the summer. Again.

I don't believe Holland is desperate. You don't smoke guys out in this league.

 

[Stoneman89]

I doubt the Oilers have the ability with their present level of management to get a legit starter that can help in the immediate window without giving up a 1st.

I would hope Holland could maybe squeeze Chicago to give up MAF for a 2nd or 3rd, but who really thinks that's happening, lol.

It will cost Edmonton a 1st. Just a matter of whether or not they do it in season or in the summer. In the summer they probably give up a 1st to Boston for Ullmark.

In a completely fair and magical world, the Hawks give us Fleury and their own 1st for nothing, just to even up the Keith trade.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Fleury has been very solid after a bad first month in Chicago. The problem is that he'd be stepping onto a broken team and expected to stand on his head while we try to pick up the pieces.

 

[Stoneman89]

I don't believe Holland is desperate. You don't smoke guys out in this league.

Lol. His team is sinking like a rock with each passing game, with their goaltending a shambles, coupled with high expectations at the start of the season. What do you then think is the level we need to get to before he becomes desperate?

 

[Soundwave]

Fleury has been very solid after a bad first month in Chicago. The problem is that he'd be stepping onto a broken team and expected to stand on his head while we try to pick up the pieces.

Mike Smith did it last year, MAF can do it too. The Oilers have pissed away probably a good 6-7 points in this stretch alone that a better goalie would have given them.

There's no excuse for the Oilers to not at least have gotten 1 point out of that game yesterday, it was 4-4 after the Nurse goal late in the 3rd.

Get someone who can make a damn save.

 

[Soundwave]

I don't believe Holland is desperate. You don't smoke guys out in this league.

I think he doesn't really know what to do. This never happened in Detroit. He hasn't had to work very hard as a GM for many, many years.

 

[Broberg Speed]

We will end up paying the stupid tax to an American franchise. Some team down south in need of a ratings boost requires a couple second rounders and our lone prospect that will pan out way more than we do.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I keep refreshing Twitter like a mad man when I know deep down a change isn’t coming.

 

[McJesusSaves97]

Just drop the nuke & start over...this recipe doesn't work. New management, new team (I know it's not easily done) & new water

 

[Broberg Speed]

Potential deal in the works but I doubt it will improve the hockey club.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

In a completely fair and magical world, the Hawks give us Fleury and their own 1st for nothing, just to even up the Keith trade.

It's funny how people keep shitting on the Keith trade, yet he has a better +/- than Nurse, is tied with Nurse in ES points, has 1 more ES point than Barrie and as many ES goals as Barrie does.

Maybe if numb nuts Tippett would start to deploy our defensemen properly we could start to get somewhere.

Nurse-Barrie (Play mostly with the 2nd and 3rd lines)
Keith-Bouchard (offensive zone starts and playing mostly with the 1st and 4th lines)
Niemelainen/New Acquisition-Ceci (Play mostly in D zone situations and mostly with the bottom 6)

Nurse and Barrie have not brought enough to the table offensively to keep getting trotted out with McDavid and Draisaitl. As a primarily offensive defenseman, Barrie should be ashamed of his performance this season.

Keith and Bouchard are our 2 best passers on the blueline and both can spring McDavid and McLeod on the attack with stretch passes, Bouchard is by far our best ES offensive threat from the blueline and our best shooting threat bar none from the blueline Time for these stupid f***ers to start utilizing our players to their strengths.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Mike Smith did it last year, MAF can do it too. The Oilers have pissed away probably a good 6-7 points in this stretch alone that a better goalie would have given them.

There's no excuse for the Oilers to not at least have gotten 1 point out of that game yesterday, it was 4-4 after the Nurse goal late in the 3rd.

Get someone who can make a damn save.

We weren't this broken last season except in that 3 game series with the Leafs and in the playoffs. This team is in a new level of suck right now. Can't defend, can't score, can't make saves.

 

[McDrai]

It's funny how people keep shitting on the Keith trade, yet he has a better +/- than Nurse, is tied with Nurse in ES points, has 1 more ES point than Barrie and as many ES goals as Barrie does.

Maybe if numb nuts Tippett would start to deploy our defensemen properly we could start to get somewhere.

Nurse-Barrie (Play mostly with the 2nd and 3rd lines)
Keith-Bouchard (offensive zone starts and playing mostly with the 1st and 4th lines)
Niemelainen/New Acquisition-Ceci (Play mostly in D zone situations and mostly with the bottom 6)

Nurse and Barrie have not brough enough to the table offensively to keep getting trotted out with McDavid and Draisaitl. As a primarily offensive defenseman, Barrie should be ashamed of his performance this season.

Keith and Bouchard are our 2 best passers on the blueline and both can spring McDavid and McLeod on the attack with stretch passes, Bouchard is by far our best ES offensive threat from the blueline and our best shooting threat bar none from the blueline Time for these stupid f***ers to start utilizing our players to their strengths.

Those are the exact same D pairings I have. They just make too much sense. Too bad Tippett doesn't see it The same way

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Those are the exact same D pairings I have. They just make too much sense. Too bad Tippett doesn't see it The same way

Our D coach whose name escapes me supposedly runs the defense. Both of them can gtfo anytime now IMO. Bring in Woodcroft and Manson, keep Gulutzan and then get them a f***ing goalie and Kane = profit.

 

[Soundwave]

We weren't this broken last season except in that 3 game series with the Leafs and in the playoffs. This team is in a new level of suck right now. Can't defend, can't score, can't make saves.

They were actually worse last year during that 3-6 stretch allowing even more GA than they are now.

Oiler fans just forget this happened because the rest of the season went fairly well, which I hate to say it happens too much with this org.

No objectivity about the team if you're always going to hand wave away or deny bad stretches happened because McDavid happens to deke through 4 guys the next game it's "everything is great again!".

 

[McVirginOil]

When Tippett made the Corski and Fenski comment I knew he should’ve been fired right then and there. Coaches that don’t want to use a multitude of data to help team building for no reason aren’t looking to make their teams better.