Well there's a + at the end, meaning that's a starting point so no that would absolutely not be it.Your saying 1st + Tolvanen for an extended Duchene and Dzingel rental?
Well there's a + at the end, meaning that's a starting point so no that would absolutely not be it.Your saying 1st + Tolvanen for an extended Duchene and Dzingel rental?
Tolvenen and a 1st a starting point short answer. Yea I'm good with that.... What's the long answer? In my opinion it will be a few more pieces. If its Tolvenen I can see it including our 2 or 3 best defensive prospect like Allard or Carrier as well. Ive watched quite a few Ottawa games having stone and Chabot on my fantasy team and you can see that Duchene and Dzingel have some good chemistry playing together and if we was to get Duchene I would like Dzingel to be part of the packageShort answer? Probably a damn lot. Like 1st + Tolvanen or Fabbro +
If you're fine with the short answer, I'll give you my long answer. Not gonna waste everyone's time (mine included) writing up a blockbuster proposal if that is already too much for preds fans haha
Tolvenen and a 1st a starting point short answer. Yea I'm good with that.... What's the long answer?
We're not going to be trading Fabbro in addition to Tolvanen, if Poile even considers the latter. And yes, Tolvanen is a significantly better asset than Kamenev was.Long answer? Well I think that one of Tolvanen/Fabbro+1st would need to be a part of it and I'd say that's more than fair. I'd pray both since Duchene is coming signed, but I'm sure you guys wouldn't want to do that.
What do you think Poile would add to Tolvanen+1st for a signed Duchene? Allard?
I think it'd be fair to ask for the upgrade from Allard to Fabbro if we added Dzingel, I just highly doubt Poile does that unless both are signed.
I kinda think it's fair though. Sure Dzingel isn't signed and there is no way to guarantee he'd be on your roster in the long run, but Ottawa would be assuming the same risk in Fabbro.
I'm trying my best to be unbiased, I know landing both Tolvanen+Fabbro is a huuuge reach (and I'll probably get roasted) but it's not bananas in terms of value. I guess it depends on how you value Fabbro.
Duchene (8x8) + Dzingel
For
Tolvanen+Fabbro+2019 1st+*2020 2nd*
*if NSH wins the cup this year or next, it turns to a 1st*
Seems like a lot, but I tried to use the Turris deal as a guideline, which makes it look fair.
Duchene >> Turris
Tolvanen>Kamanev
Fabbro>Girard
2nds cancel each other out
And then you get Dzingel for your 2019 1st which is hopefully 31st overall.
Or is Tolvanen like >> Kamanev?
I'd want that but I'm sure Dorion would probably settle for Allard instead of Fabbro.
Yeah we wont trade Tolvanen and Fabbro at the same time. I'm cool with trading 1st + Tolvanen + lesser prospect (Allard, Carrier, or Gadreau/Grimaldi) or additional pick in 2020 (not another 1st) for an extended Duchene.
Add another pick or something for Dzingel if Poile thinks that's a plus.
Only exception I'd make is if Turris is not actually happy here and would prefer to go back to Ottawa. I find that highly unlikely, but anything is possible.First, I dont send Turris back to Ottawa because Poile will have ****ed him over by doing that(he didnt want to sign long term on Ottawa)
Second, I don't want either one without an extension.
Ideal world, we trade a good haul for an extended Stone and then sign Duchene this summer and deal Turris elsewhere.
Only exception I'd make is if Turris is not actually happy here and would prefer to go back to Ottawa. I find that highly unlikely, but anything is possible.
What I like to see Poile do if he does wanna go all in. I would like to see him trade for Duchene. Turris is alright but if we wanna go far this postseason I don't think turris gets it done at 2c because I think he's still dealing with some sort of injury. Along with Duchene I'd like to see him packaged with Dzingel just for the fact those 2 has shown great chemistry together this year. So I'd be willing to give up Tolvenen, Smith, Richard, Carrier and 2019 1st for Duchene extended and Dzingel. Then I'd be on the phone with new york and give up a 2020 2nd and Mismash and maybe another lower tier prospect for Zuccarello. Poile didnt see enough from his 2nd line so he goes out and gets a whole new one lol.
Forsberg Joey Arvi
Dzingel Duchene Zuccarello
Fiala turris Hartman
Boyle bones Sissons
Jarnkrok Grimaldi McLeod Gaudreau all healthy scatches and depth.
Lets Go Preds
This is for this postseason only if Poile would to go all in. You would have to tweak somethings in the off-season to make the cap work if you choose to go that route. Turris would definitely need to be moved out in the off-season if you get Duchene in here with a contract.Can’t see that happening? Would that even work cap-wise?
That's my take on itHaving said that, he may not trade for him because he may want to be here anyways so why bother giving up assets? He clearly wants to be in Nashville at some point