yup, this small must go, before he gets hurt againI love Paul Byron. But he is someone I think can bring in a good return and would be a piece I'd be okay to move.
Players are assets and falling in love with them is the bane of any franchise. As a franchise, you owe nothing to a player. Weve seen that with Markov and Radulov, imagine if they got value for them instead.
The right side of the defense is probably the deepest in the league in prospects, Brook, Fleury, Juulsen, Harris, Romanov is a boat loads of talent and no one should be stressed about it.
Other than that, Petry is thirty one, by the time his contract is up, hell he almost Webers age... can you imagine the decline hed have? Hes extremely reliant on his skating.
Also, what kind of value are you really getting out of him? The team is the worst in the league defensively, how much lower can the team go?
Its impossible to be worst than the worst in the league defensively.1: Both probably should have been resigned, not traded.
2: The Habs finished 1st in the division.
3. Imagining the return in hindsight is fine but the mistake wasn't holding them. The mistake was not pushing all in with an abnormally weak Atlantic Side. Easily should have been a Habs/Pens conferance final.
Talent yes. But it hasn't shown it can do anything at the NHL level. Talent busts all the time. Trade Petry, Weber decline, and all of a sudden we need 3 of those RD to develop into top 2/4 defenders. I'm not saying there is never a time to trade Petry. But if the risk that goes with trading Petry isn't managed or mitigated, than we can easily be spinning our tires on the right side just as we are on the left.
It's great that it's deep. But zero of those prospects have shown the ability to be consistent 20+ minute NHL D-Men. Let alone the ability to carry a top pair.
Of course there is risk and of course there will be likely, maybe even expected, some decline. But the greater risk, imo, is putting that weight on our prospects and expecting that they'll be able to hold it.
I don't understand this. We know we have an abysmal left-side that needs significant improvement and we shift blame? I'm quite certain we could get a whole lot worse. That barrel goes deep.
Its impossible to be worst than the worst in the league defensively.
Nobody said to trade both Weber and Petry, Id trade Petry for a kings ransom and keep Weber.
Its impossible to be worst than the worst in the league defensively.
Nobody said to trade both Weber and Petry, Id trade Petry for a kings ransom and keep Weber.
Its impossible to be worst than the worst in the league defensively.
Nobody said to trade both Weber and Petry, Id trade Petry for a kings ransom and keep Weber.
I personally wouldn't trade either. I don't expect the wheels to fall off Petry in the coming years. He's such an effortless skater....he could lose a step and still be a top3. I think we need to have someone in place from within before I'd move him.....unless someone really overpays. Weber is the leader of the team, I think he's around for at least 2 years after this year. At that point his contract could easily be bought out. Unlike many, I'm not worried about his contract at all. In fact his contract is much more a concern for Nashville than it is for us.
Obviously Webers going to get gradually worse, every body knows that. You have to expect Brook, Juulsen and Fleury to get better gradually though.Sure as far as the rankings go. Doesn't mean the product on the ice couldn't get a whole lot worse.
Don't have to trade both for problems to arise. Weber's a 2nd pair defender now, and that's likely best case scenario for a team looking to compete. He's 4 years older than Petry, and while his reliance on positioning and strength is a plus, injuries will continue to be a concern. Envisioning him missing time or being less effective 3/4 years from now isn't that difficult. It's nice to imagine what we'd get for Petry. But if it's not a reverse Subban where we are getting a 26 year old RD in return, I have a hard time believing it'll be worth the risk.
Because then instead of hoping your prospects develop, improving your team, and making Petry more expendable, You're desperate for them to develop so you can have some kind of semblance of an NHL defense.
What's the return on Byron though?
I have s hard time seeing us get any more than a #5/#6 defenceman or middle-6 winger for him. Maybe a 2nd+ or an equivalent prospect.
Is that worth it or would he bring back more?
Obviously Webers going to get gradually worse, every body knows that. You have to expect Brook, Juulsen and Fleury to get better gradually though.
The team made something similar with Danault when Desharnais and Plekanec slowed down, now the teams better for it.
Pacioretty was the same kind of deal too. There was no one at LW when Bergevin traded him. The Habs best winger was Byron, Drouin was a center, Lekhonen was coming off a 18 goal season.
The team is much better for it.
The famed Rivet trade started all of this and the Habs had no one at RD back then, the team was losing and Rivet was up for a contract, they decided to move away from him, signed Brisebois and Hamrlik, let Souray walk and poof, the defense was even better.
Now imagine if they actually traded Souray too, instead of letting him walk.
Get a bidding war going leading to trade deadline......it’s a 1st plus A prospect minimumIts impossible to be worst than the worst in the league defensively.
Nobody said to trade both Weber and Petry, Id trade Petry for a kings ransom and keep Weber.
For who?Get a bidding war going leading to trade deadline......it’s a 1st plus A prospect minimum
The f*** I know lolFor who?
Get a bidding war going leading to trade deadline......it’s a 1st plus A prospect minimum
For who?
Holy f*** that was McKenzie worth breakdown......there’s a spot for you on Thats Hockey my friend lolYes, better now than when the market is saturated this summer while teams try and move assets like last time.
Teams looking for RDs are Winnipeg, Anaheim, FLA, Philly, Vegas, WSH.
Of those teams, not sure Anaheim wants to go Petry route.
If they would though, Id do Petry+ for Lindholm, but theres nothing else Id want there.
Winnipeg depends on Buff and wether they choose to wait it our or try and save face... Not sure they have what it takes to make trading Petry worthwhile, assuming Heinola is a no go.
Florida is probably the most interesting one with their 1st, Borgstrom, Noel, Gildon and Kolyanochok in the pipeline. They also have Pysyk who could fill in the third pair if you dont trust Folin.
Philly is an unlikely destination IMO, but its still worth exploring. They have really good prospects and young players.
Vegas should try and compete right now, and Petry would fit right in, but they have cap issues so Im not sure it can happen. McNabb would be a nice addition, and so would Whitecloud... their first would be in play but I doubt they move anymore prospects as theyll need the ELC money in the next two years to compete. Smith and Marchessault should also be available.
Washington should probably be in and I bet Alexeyev would be available, hed fit in really well with our group. Big LD who has 1D upside.
the guy is pretty much just a 4th liner right now, Habs could do without...Unless for an upgrade, there is no point in trading Byron right now.
We don't need the cap space and we just become a weaker team with him gone.
Trade him or Lehkonen next summer to make room for Caufield.
His value shouldn't get any worse between now and the summer.
1: Both probably should have been resigned, not traded.
2: The Habs finished 1st in the division.
3. Imagining the return in hindsight is fine but the mistake wasn't holding them. The mistake was not pushing all in with an abnormally weak Atlantic Side. Easily should have been a Habs/Pens conferance final.
Talent yes. But it hasn't shown it can do anything at the NHL level. Talent busts all the time. Trade Petry, Weber decline, and all of a sudden we need 3 of those RD to develop into top 2/4 defenders. I'm not saying there is never a time to trade Petry. But if the risk that goes with trading Petry isn't managed or mitigated, than we can easily be spinning our tires on the right side just as we are on the left.
It's great that it's deep. But zero of those prospects have shown the ability to be consistent 20+ minute NHL D-Men. Let alone the ability to carry a top pair.
Of course there is risk and of course there will be likely, maybe even expected, some decline. But the greater risk, imo, is putting that weight on our prospects and expecting that they'll be able to hold it.
I don't understand this. We know we have an abysmal left-side that needs significant improvement and we shift blame? I'm quite certain we could get a whole lot worse. That barrel goes deep.
Im sure youd love Noel, hes right in your wheel house. Gigantic player.Holy **** that was McKenzie worth breakdown......there’s a spot for you on Thats Hockey my friend lol
from Anaheim I want Lindholm and nobody else
from Florida Borgstrom and Kolyonochok
from Vegas I want Tuch
Philly I don’t know and I doubt he waived his NTC (modified) for Winnipeg
Didn’t he play with Suzuki for Guelph?Im sure youd love Noel, hes right in your wheel house. Gigantic player.
Thats Ratcliffe, another huge dude. Noel played with McShane in Oshawa. He owns one of the hardest shot outside the NHL.Didn’t he play with Suzuki for Guelph?