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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #93: Y'all got any more of those 2nd line centers out there?

Rossi is a 23 y/o C coming off a 60 pt season. He's only going to get better. I know he's small, but we can just play him with Slaf on the second line with Demidov playing with Suzuki and Cole on the first line. The reported trade ask isn't bad at all, and the player's requested AAV is reasonable. I think the Wild are going to regret letting him go.
Good points........I would love to add this kid...........keeping in mind, there are players who get you to the playoffs, and then there are players who get you through the playoffs. Adding a big winger or two to go with Andy crashing and banging would do....
 
Good points........I would love to add this kid...........keeping in mind, there are players who get you to the playoffs, and then there are players who get you through the playoffs. Adding a big winger or two to go with Andy crashing and banging would do....
Yeah, we don't know which one he is as he is only 23. However, there is value to having guys that get you to the dance as long as they are not relied upon like a Marner. Rossi is a 2C that wants 2C money. Play him with Slaf and a vet hardworking winger, and I think that sets up that line well. Ironically, Armia would fit that bill if he was actually consistent. From what I gathered, Rossi didn't really have the linemates at the end of the year to help him out, so I feel it is a bit unfair to judge him just yet.
 
There should be options out there. I wouldn't mind John Tavares on a 2-3 year deal but I don't think he would have Montreal on his radar. He prefers to stay in Toronto but they might not want him. In any case, we need at minimum a 50-60 point center to play behind Suzuki. I dream that it ends up being Crosby but the chances are slim.
True, Tavares would be a surprise lol.

And same on Crosby. Slim chance but a chance nonetheless. Personally I was on the Duchene train but after these playoffs I'm not too high on him anymore.

I also feel if Crosby does miraculously want to come here, that decision wouldn't come until either TDL or next summer unfortunately.

Toews is a good gamble as a short term stop gap. Would replace Dvorak at the very least but also good enough potentially to play 2C for at least the next season

Then we can try again next year for a long term fit depending how the market looks
 
While it seems counterintuitive based on current team needs, I’m looking at what the defence could be in the future (as soon as next year) and I think adding Dobson has enormous potential to push the Habs into contention.

1) Reinbacher and Dobson are not redundant or all that similar - I think Reinbacher’s play/role ends up closer to Guhle with more capacity to activate offensively. Reinbacher is the big, physical, defensive RD we’re looking for and he’s knocking on the door.

2) The need to make a move for a veteran, top-4, defensive RD doesn’t hold as much weight for me when Matheson is gone, our young players are more experienced, Reinbacher is on the team, and we’ve addressed some defensive issues up front. IMO, it’s a reactionary move to this playoffs more than a long term building block.

3) I do see a bottom pairing, PKing role for a RD as a need.

4) It should be expected that Dobson at 25yrs old will mature into a more reliable player defensively. Same with Hutson. Add Dobson to the ridiculously long list of toolsy offensive defenceman that round their game out in their late 20s.

Guhle-Dobson
Hutson-Reinbacher
Xhekaj-XXXXX (Struble?)

In my mind, this is a really dynamic top-4. Replacing Dobson with a defensive defenceman doesn’t really add much.

Three guys that are 6’3 or taller and all over 200lbs. Guhle/Reinbacher more geared toward playing the body and capable of breaking up the cycle, clearing net front, and responding physically. Add in Xhekaj and a not Carrier-sized RD on the bottom pairing and I’ve got no concerns about physical play or size. There’s mobility, physicality, and shutdown potential on each pairing and I think the mix of size, IQ, and skating lends itself well to defending off either the rush or cycle. I really like the potential to deploy dedicated pairings situationally as well (i.e. Hutson-Dobson scoring, Guhle-Reinbacher shutdown).

Two top-10 offensive defenceman with different handedness and different approaches to creating offence? The potential for creative, positionless hockey or dynamic 5-man units is impressive. It would be exceptionally difficult for opposing teams to counter unless Dobson and Hutson both end up total shit defensively. If the group continues to develop, we could be looking at an extremely unique, flexible defence corps that gets the most out of our system at both ends of the ice.

If Dobson’s available, I’d prioritize him over any of the rumoured 2C options this year.
 
So it will be Zacha and Kuznetsov... oh well, what a summer!

Caufield Suzuki Slafkovsky
Laine Kuznetsov Demidov
Anderson Zacha Gallagher
Heineman Evans Armia
Newhook

Matheson Reinbacher
Guhle Hutson
Xhekaj Carrier
Struble Mailloux

Monty
Dobes
 
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So it will be Zacha and Kuznetsov... oh well, what a summer!

Caufield Suzuki Slafkovsky
Laine Kuznetsov Demidov
Anderson Zacha Gallagher
Heineman Evans Armia
Newhook

Matheson Reinbacher
Guhle Hutson
Xhekaj Carrier
Struble Mailloux

Monty
Dobes
Kuznetsov is garbage. Do we want the slowest top 6 in NHL history with zero defensive capabilities?
 
I think you will see less teams tanking in the next couple of years given the amount cap is going up. In the dead cap era we just came of - tanking became a no brainer. Now with all the cap flexibility, teams will most likely opt for a reset - 1 to 2 years and spend to the cap.

Also, Islanders were never a good candidate for rebuild. They are in a saturated sports market with a new arena that needs to generate revenue.
Teams next year will be tanking hugely for McKenna
 
True, Tavares would be a surprise lol.

And same on Crosby. Slim chance but a chance nonetheless. Personally I was on the Duchene train but after these playoffs I'm not too high on him anymore.

I also feel if Crosby does miraculously want to come here, that decision wouldn't come until either TDL or next summer unfortunately.

Toews is a good gamble as a short term stop gap. Would replace Dvorak at the very least but also good enough potentially to play 2C for at least the next season

Then we can try again next year for a long term fit depending how the market looks
Crosby would elevate this team in a big way. I'm not suggesting he would turn us into a cup contender, but rather serve to be a stepping stone on the path to becoming just that. The presence he would bring to the locker room would be an education that would propel our group forward in leaps and bounds.

Can you imagine Demidov on the wing of Sid? The kid would get 80-plus points in his rookie season. God, why can't this happen?
 
I would do that deal in a nano second. Just not sure Islanders would go for that.
Why not? They got a similar deal for Vancouver in 2023 for Horvat.

2023-Jan-30 Traded from Vancouver Canucks to New York Islanders for Aatu Raty, Anthony Beauvillier and round 1 pick in the 2023 draft (Axel Sandin-Pellika)

We are trading for a 30 years old player going in the decline very soon. Going to be our 2C until Hage is ready.
 
Uh no. Would do that right now. Horvat is a top 20 c man. Maillioux is taking forever just to make nhl and beck is just another meh 3c. People here don’t get how good Horvat is.

I do, but I also know his contract and his age and I know when we reasonably expect to compete. You're paying the price for a 2A right now that's a 3C when it matters. Doesn't make any sense. Pay the median between those two prices now or wait until the next opportunity
 
Yeah it will be hard to fill all of them. I do think they get a 2C (I don't know who and it's going to be expensive) just because we have the assets to get one. I see Toews being our #3C on the cheap (and to be honest, regular season wise, he can't be any worse than Dvo).

Our RD is going to come from Laval and I think it will be DR. Again, all of this is saying I don't endorse this idea or think it's good but just the comments at the end of the year about maybe getting even younger, I can see this being a thing. Savard moves out, DR moves in. Next year when Matheson leaves (please god let Matheson leave), we may look.
Engstrom will take Matheson's spot
 
So it will be Zacha and Kuznetsov... oh well, what a summer!

Caufield Suzuki Slafkovsky
Laine Kuznetsov Demidov
Anderson Zacha Gallagher
Heineman Evans Armia
Newhook

Matheson Reinbacher
Guhle Hutson
Xhekaj Carrier
Struble Mailloux

Monty
Dobes
Kuznetsov doesn't fit the good veteran presence at center no... How about we forget about the potential problem makers for that 2C role?

No flipping Toews, no Kuznetsov, no Bennett..
 

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