HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #93: Y'all got any more of those 2nd line centers out there?

[vokiel]

I would bet a lot of money that it’s actually Anaheim who wouldn’t do this deal

Perhaps, center is a difficult position to fill, but then again you have the usual cases where the 2nd line center isn't quite it and maybe they'd rather have the 40 goals scorer. Habs have been there before with DD & Eller.

 

[domiwroze]

If Anaheim wants a winger that knows how to score goals and is also a PP specialist, oh man, I got just the guy for that.

f*** right off to Anaheim, Petrik

 

[Habitant#1]

WHy are people saying Bergevin wouldn't instigate a youth movement in NYI when in fact he did just that when he was Montreal's GM?

 

[Deebs]

WHy are people saying Bergevin wouldn't instigate a youth movement in NYI when in fact he did just that when he was Montreal's GM?

It depends what the owner wants.

 

[Erika]

Perhaps, center is a difficult position to fill, but then again you have the usual cases where the 2nd line center isn't quite it and maybe they'd rather have the 40 goals scorer. Habs have been there before with DD & Eller.

Caufield hasn't scored 40 yet.
He might do it once or twice in his career, but there's also no guarantees.

Also, 50-65 points 2-way 2Center >> Undersized unidimensional complementary winger (30-40 goals/year)

You guys just overrates the value of a Cole Caufield type of player.

 

[Zilo44]

Caufield never scored 40 yet.
He might do it once or twice in his career, but there's also no guarantees.

Also, 50-65 points 2-way 2Center >> Undersized unidimensional complementary winger (30-40 goals/year)

You guys just overrates the value of a Cole Caufield type of player.

I think people value Caufield fairly since he improved his defensive game and since he is a fairly good playoff performer for a small top 6 forward. He is not your typical small forward who disappears in the playoffs

 

[DemidovSZN]

I would bet a lot of money that it’s actually Anaheim who wouldn’t do this deal

Not even sure McTavish become as good as Caufield.

 

[TomKosto]

It depends what the owner wants.

With Mckenna and Dupont coming up? They gonna rebuild for sure. Just got their first piece this summer, Pretty sure trades are coming,

 

[Deebs]

With Mckenna and Dupont coming up? They gonna rebuild for sure. Just got their first piece this summer, Pretty sure trades are coming,

It's definitely possible. They'll take Schaeffer or Misa this summer. They'd need to trade Bo and Barzal, to really start scratching bottom....probably Anders Lee as well.

 

[CHfan1]

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[TomKosto]

It's definitely possible. They'll take Schaeffer or Misa this summer. They'd need to trade Bo and Barzal, to really start scratching bottom....probably Anders Lee as well.

They dont really have prospect to trade for upgrading their squads and they wont trade their first just after picking up first overall. One or two more top prospect and they can make a quick rebuild. They will sell some guys im pretty sure. But they will keep some vets too. I would not be surprised to see Barzal being traded and Horvat staying...

I would kill for a Barzal. Yea he's not perfect, yea he hasnt played center the last couple years but we clearly lack offensive talent up front. He played center for like 5 years, registring 82pts as a rookie playing 2C. He would completly change our club. You have Nick-Evans-Dvorak that are two way. Kapanen and Beck are too. You can have a one way offensive center in the lineup. The skating and vision is so next level. He would upgrade our club some much behind Nick.

 

[NobleSix]

Ouch feel bad for Isles fans. They're in for years of hurt and they don't even know it. Poor guys.

 

[Sorinth]

WHy are people saying Bergevin wouldn't instigate a youth movement in NYI when in fact he did just that when he was Montreal's GM?

The only summer trade that was vet for picks/prospects trade that I can recall is Pacioretty and that's pretty much only because he demanded a trade. His "youth movement" was pretty much just sit around and wait for the prospects you drafted to enter the NHL but not really do much to add to the pool unless the team was out of the playoffs at the TDL at which point sell UFAs. So sure if at the TDL NYI are out of it he would sell, but in the summer it's less clear he would proactively trade vets for picks/prospects.

That said I don't think we can draw too many conclusions about tanking since it's generally an owner decision not purely the GM's.

 

[Vachon23]

Perhaps, center is a difficult position to fill, but then again you have the usual cases where the 2nd line center isn't quite it and maybe they'd rather have the 40 goals scorer. Habs have been there before with DD & Eller.

Not even sure McTavish become as good as Caufield.

I will always take the big 2 way center that can go to the net and play physical before the small goal scorer

 

[Milhouse40]

WHy are people saying Bergevin wouldn't instigate a youth movement in NYI when in fact he did just that when he was Montreal's GM?

Not really....his 1st ''big trades'' in the first 24 months are for Ryder, Weaver, Parros, Weise, Vanek, Parenteau
And his first big signing were Prust and Briere.

I mean, the youth mouvement was already in Montreal with Price, Subban, Gallagher, Eller, Pacioretty and he added Galchenyuk through the draft.

 

[vokiel]

I will always take the big 2 way center that can go to the net and play physical before the small goal scorer

Yeah sure, but we're talking a 40-50 goals winger. It's not the same caliber at that point. I feel it's like choosing the 2nd line center over the first line core piece winger. Not quite sure I'd make the same choice.

 

[417]

Was report by multiple media

It was speculated by the media.

Again, its pro sports, if GMs aren't dealing with each other because of feelings, they shouldn't be GMs

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

WHy are people saying Bergevin wouldn't instigate a youth movement in NYI when in fact he did just that when he was Montreal's GM?

Because Bergevin is a complete moron

Everything he said has a GM was BS and he was the least honest person this org hired. Even his suits made him like a clown

 

[vokiel]

Anyone who won't trade with another team for such reasons, has no business being a GM.

If MB becomes GM of the isles and the Habs want one of their player and make them a good offer that they like.\

I don't see why he or anyone else wouldn't do it lol.

This is professional sports, not fantasy hockey with your buddies lol.

With the way things have gone in LA, i'd say it's the boys club fantasy hockey with their buddies.

 

[Habitant#1]

Guys, I agree Bergevin was a moron. But he very publicly said he was doing a 'reset' in 2018 and tried to make the team younger.
That's why I'm saying he might decided to do the same with the Islanders.

 

[Vachon23]

Yeah sure, but we're talking a 40-50 goals winger. It's not the same caliber at that point. I feel it's like choosing the 2nd line center over the first line core piece winger. Not quite sure I'd make the same choice.

A 40-50 goals scorer that hasn’t reach the 40 goals once in not a 40-50 even if I like him. He’s more a 35-40

 

[vokiel]

A 40-50 goals scorer that hasn’t reach the 40 goals once in not a 40-50 even if I like him. He’s more a 35-40

I bet when his career is passed his first 8 year deal, he'll have a few of those under the belt. The only knock he had, size, turned out to be nothing. I don't think ~35 ish goals is his ceiling.

 

[salbutera]

Ryan O'Reilly has two years left on his deal and is playing very good hockey for Team Canada.
He'd be a great stop gap at 4M for two years and would likely thrive in a Bell Center type of environment.
Can Trotz be had again?

Trotz already stated ROR tokd him he doesn’t want to leave Nash, so he’ll honor his contract as if he had a no trade clause

 

[salbutera]

Not sure if the idea of something around Caufield for McTavish has been discussed. Anaheim was 3rd last in scoring last season, had the worst powerplay in the entire league(11.8%) and had no one above 22 goals. Caufield could give them a potential 40 goals scorer and significantly improve their powerplay.

I'd probably only be interested in it if we could sign either Ehlers though. A 2nd line of Demidov-McTavish-Ehlers would be worth a slight downgrade on the 1st line in IMO.

Ana have loads of cap space & is a desirable location for UFAs … they will be big spenders this off-season IMO

 

[salbutera]

WHy are people saying Bergevin wouldn't instigate a youth movement in NYI when in fact he did just that when he was Montreal's GM?

MB will “retool” not “strip to the foundations & rebuild”