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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #93: Y'all got any more of those 2nd line centers out there?

The Dvorak line is providing plenty secondary scoring.

It’s the 4th and the old 2nd (laine Newhook Demidov) that was bringing nothing to the table
2G both by Dvorak

Gallagher is -6
Anderson is -2
Dvorak is -1

They were not on for 2empty net goals last night … all of it is being scored against 5-on-5 - I should add that line has worse +/- than Laine & Newhook

Armia, Evans, Heineken are at least 0 or +
 
If he wants a longterm contract, then best to stay away IMO. 3 x years might be the max i would accept.
I love playoffs Dvorak to be honest. And he was pretty good the second half of the season. 3c worthy imo.

I know he is not the most motivated guy and had his share of injuries while being a Hab so I agree I absolutely wouldn't go long term with him. Ideally 2 years and wouldn't go over 3 years. something between 3 and 3,5 M$ per would be ok for me.

If we get a good 2C during the summer, I like our C depth :

Suzuki
2C
Dvorak
Evans

With Beck, Kapanen and Hage being 2-3 years away from a center spot.

I like that.
 
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Hopefully Gorton wakes the f*** up the second time and bring some toughness along Anderson and Xhekaj.
That “toughness” has to be able to score … is Beauvillier big & tough? Mangiapanni? Strome? These are the guys doing the damage crashing the net for rebound goals.
 
Heineman is a waste of roster spot rn. He does nothing. Like pretty much everyone besides suzuki line
There’s a reason Habs were the second youngest team in NHL history to make the playoffs by 0.2 yrs behind Gretzky Oilers….. NHL playoff success requires experience… it’s been baptism by fire for nearly 50% of this roster
 
Stop gap before Reinbacher is ready?

It's not either/or that we need but, rather, both!

We need two top-4 RHDs long term -- Reinbacher and someone else.
To be clear, Reinbacher will play with the Habs next season unless he is still injured.

And yeah we need to ease him in by trading for a defensively solid RHD that can play 20 minutes every night.

Carrier 22 minutes, RHD 20 minutes, Reinbacher 18-20 minutes.
 
There’s a reason Habs were the second youngest team in NHL history to make the playoffs by 0.2 yrs behind Gretzky Oilers….. NHL playoff success requires experience… it’s been baptism by fire for nearly 50% of this roster
Never saw anything about the Oilers being close.

The previous youngest team to make the playoffs were the Leafs in 2012-13.
 
Lafrenière - 2C - Demidov would be a good line.

Would Rangers go for 2025 #16 OA pick (Calgary's pick), 2025 PIT 2nd rounder (better than Montreal's), Owen beck and Logan Mailloux?

Reading it, it sounds like a lot, but Lafrenière does have a 28-Goal season with 29 passes before this past season where he scored 17 and amassed 45 points on a team that was a complete shit show.

IMO, Lafrenière is a guaranteed regular 20+ goal scorer and 55+ point-getter as a winger on a line with Demidov and a genuine 2C.

If, after trading for Lafrenière, Montreal could land Duchene as an unrestricted free agent shorter term as a stop-gap, while they develop Hage, we could have a top-6 situation along the lines of:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Lafrenière - Duchene - Demidov

that becomes, in three to four years:

Caufield - suzuki - Slafkovsky
Lafrenière - Hage - Demidov
I don't pay all this for Lafrenière.
 
There are literally free options to make this team bigger, stronger and grittier next year.

Sam Bennett 7 x 7 million
Aaron Ekblad 6 x 8 million

If we really want to go for Laf....

Laine + Calgary 1st + Mailloux

Slafkovsky (7.6) - Suzuki (7.875) - Caufield (7.85)
Lafreniere (7.45) - Bennett (7) - Demidov (940K)
Heinemen (2.1) - Dach (3.36) - Newhook (2.9
Anderson (5.5) - Evans (2.85) - Gally (6.5)
Kapanen (925)

Guhle (5.5) - Ekblad (8)
Hutson (950K) - Reinbacher (950K)
Matheson (4.875) - Carrier (3.75)
Xhekaj (1.3)

Sam Montembault (3.15)
Jakub Dobes (1.75)

Total of this cap hit is around 90 million.

We will have room for Demidov, Hutson and Reinbacher contracts - but will need to renegotiate some contracts in the future - Anderson, Gally, Dach, Matheson.

Adding Bennett. Ekblad and Lafreniere at those contracts and hits is doable.
I definitely think Bennett and Ekblad are key acquisitions for us and exactly what we need.

That being said, I'm pretty sure at least 1 of them get extended in Florida. I would guess Bennett gets extended there unless Florida lose in the 1st round against TBay and some other team overpay big for him as UFA.

Ekblad I can see him being available. And would like him very much. Size and grit. Play PK and can produce offensively. We will need to overpay money wise though.

And I would prefer to OS Cuylle for about the same cost than trade for Lafrenière.
 
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Unsurprisingly, the team roster issues haven't changed by jumping to the playoffs.
Unsurprisingly, I still expect half the posts in this thread to be about getting players who do not fix those issues.

Ekblad I can see him being available. And would like him very much. Size and grit. Play PK and can produce offensively. We will need to overpay money wise though.
Ekblad's body is done. He played over 70 games once since 2019 and was suspended for illegal drug usage he claim he took to help come back from injury this season (i.e. he didn't clear them with the team docs).
 
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Hopefully Gorton wakes the f*** up the second time and bring some toughness along Anderson and Xhekaj.
Does the team need more grit, yes. Does it need more goon? no.

We are missing Dach, who can play hard on the wall, we are missing a 2c and I hope we are not getting Duchene... We need to replace Matheson, Savard will be gone.

Caufeild - Suzuki - Dach/Slaf
Slaf/Dach - 2c [Horvat/Crosby] - Demidov
Anderson - [Dvorak] - Gally
Heineman - Evan - [new 4th line with size and spd]

Guhle - Carrier/ Rienbacher
Hutson - [Poluck]
Xhekaj - Carrier/Reinbacher
 
Does the team need more grit, yes. Does it need more goon? no.

We are missing Dach, who can play hard on the wall, we are missing a 2c and I hope we are not getting Duchene... We need to replace Matheson, Savard will be gone.

Caufeild - Suzuki - Dach/Slaf
Slaf/Dach - 2c [Horvat/Crosby] - Demidov
Anderson - [Dvorak] - Gally
Heineman - Evan - [new 4th line with size and spd]

Guhle - Carrier/ Rienbacher
Hutson - [Poluck]
Xhekaj - Carrier/Reinbacher

Never say we need more goon.

We need more size, more jam, more toughness.
 
There are literally free options to make this team bigger, stronger and grittier next year.

Sam Bennett 7 x 7 million
Aaron Ekblad 6 x 8 million

If we really want to go for Laf....

Laine + Calgary 1st + Mailloux

Slafkovsky (7.6) - Suzuki (7.875) - Caufield (7.85)
Lafreniere (7.45) - Bennett (7) - Demidov (940K)
Heinemen (2.1) - Dach (3.36) - Newhook (2.9
Anderson (5.5) - Evans (2.85) - Gally (6.5)
Kapanen (925)

Guhle (5.5) - Ekblad (8)
Hutson (950K) - Reinbacher (950K)
Matheson (4.875) - Carrier (3.75)
Xhekaj (1.3)

Sam Montembault (3.15)
Jakub Dobes (1.75)

Total of this cap hit is around 90 million.

We will have room for Demidov, Hutson and Reinbacher contracts - but will need to renegotiate some contracts in the future - Anderson, Gally, Dach, Matheson.

Adding Bennett. Ekblad and Lafreniere at those contracts and hits is doable.
Hard no on both Bennet (his contract will age as well as Gally's contrat]
Ekblad can get that 8m elsewhere.

That LAf deal would never work
 
Hard no on both Bennet (his contract will age as well as Gally's contrat]
Ekblad can get that 8m elsewhere.

That LAf deal would never work
What would you propose to pay for Horvat and/pr Pulock and/or Crosby in your scenarios?

Bennett and Ekblad can be had at no cost by cap space.
 
I definitely think Bennett and Ekblad are key acquisitions for us and exactly what we need.

That being said, I'm pretty sure at least 1 of them get extended in Florida. I would guess Bennett gets extended there unless Florida lose in the 1st round against TBay and some other team overpay big for him as UFA.

Ekblad I can see him being available. And would like him very much. Size and grit. Play PK and can produce offensively. We will need to overpay money wise though.

And I would prefer to OS Cuylle for about the same cost than trade for Lafrenière.

I would 100% target Ekblad as a FA then try and trade for Horvat + Resign Dvorak.

With one of Dach/Newhook going back for Horvat you could then role

CC - Suzuki-Slaf
Laine - Horvat -Demidov
Anderson - Dvorak - Gally
Heineman - Evans - Newhook/Dach

Hutson - Ekblad
Guhle - Carrier
Xekaj - Reinbacher

(Also trade Matheson, i think he's net positive but he drives me crazy)
 
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What would you propose to pay for Horvat and/pr Pulock and/or Crosby in your scenarios?

Bennett and Ekblad can be had at no cost by cap space.
I'm ok with signing UFA, but not these two or Duchene. Bennett just had his most productive season ever, which is barely better the the ones Gally had before he sign his 6x6. They both play a physical and taxing style. The odds are that Bennett will break down in a similar way as Gally did. Bennett at 5x6 I would be ok with because you can slide him down to the 3rd line at some point, but he'll never say yes to that. So if the price is 8+x8... then this is a bad contract. And this is the time where you need to be patient!!!! Giving out bad contract at the wrong time will block the team long term success. Toronto did that and they struggle for so long to find cap space to address their playoff needs. We should learn from their mistake.

Ekblad... i'm more of the fence with him. I use to love his game, but he slow down quite a bit and I have Alzer PTSD. If he want to come on a short (2yrs) contract, I would be ok to try him, but a long term commitment is not the way to go with him.

For Horvat/Pulock, As long as you dont give one of Demidov, Hage, Reinbacher, Fowler for prospect, I would be ok with. any of our pick too. And they can take Newhook/Laine in the process if they want.
 
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The answer is, trade for the Pens vet trio and get a team RD for Hutson.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Demidov - Crosby - Laine
Heineman - Malkin - Armia
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher
Kapanen/Condotta

Hutson - RD
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Letang
Struble

Montembault
Dobes

Triple cup winning vets for the youngest team in NHL.
 

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