HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Captain Mountain]

Evans isn’t a 3C in my book.

Beck and Kapanen are rookies, neither of them exactly fit to take on heavy minutes in the NHL. Newhook is irrelevant at C and Dach is irrelevant overall.

Yeah, I disagree with your interpretation of Bergevin. We had some years with Price and Weber on the books and tons of cap space (and, predictably, a mediocre team). He only spent cap space during the COVID cap crunch and to great effect.

But this is all a diversion

We know which prospects are at the door and which are not, and our team should be a playoff team next year — so we should expect a playoff worthy roster. Armia, Dvorak, and Savard HAVE to be replaced and a 2C has to be acquired.

But I understand your POV: If Beck or Kapanen, somehow, is pencilled in as an Armia replacement, and Beck or Newhook is somehow pencilled in as a Dvorak replacement, and so on for Savard and Reinbacher… then sure we have cap space for a 2C but I don’t think this lineup is a viable as a playoff lock. Too much uncertainty. Not a strong enough team. Too many rookies in hard positions (PK and top4 D).

Alright, lets simplify this. Who are you looking at and at what AAV are you looking at such that 2 mil is the difference between pulling it off and not. Because I have to imagine there's a clear picture if moving Anderson is a priority.

 

[CzarDemidov]

Alright, lets simplify this. Who are you looking at and at what AAV are you looking at such that 2 mil is the difference between pulling it off and not. Because I have to imagine there's a clear picture if moving Anderson is a priority.

You have it backward — dumping Anderson is a priority for me because he’s finally had a season where he wasn’t awful and thus might have trade value. I don’t have a replacement lined up, the big value is getting his cap hit off the books before he stinks again.

Dumping him is worthwhile because it is very likely he is once again a) injured or b) awful or c) both injured and awful next season and it then affects the season after.

If he’s bad (ie trade value negative) next season, we have to deal with him and his cap hit for the season after… with Hutson’s mega cap hit coming up, we can’t afford so much cap inefficiency.

Is Anderson irreplaceable? No, overall (looking at the next two seasons) he’s more likely to be bad than good and more likely to have more bad games than good games on a per game basis.

I understand his size is attractive but his inconsistency and injury proneness is not. He’s been a disappointing player and contributor over the course of his contract.

 

[JustAHabFan]

I think Duchene and Granlund are possible options on UFA market.

On the trade market, nobody knows. Some might become disponible, some might be taken off the market.

The important thing is we have the assets to go for one if the other team wants future and we know Hughes is ready to overpay oil terms of picks and prospects.

I think the Habs should opted for Duchene.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

People can keep saying but their team president is Lou. He's not changing his ways

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

0 reason why Duchene would leave Dallas.
Dallas are a good team , im sure hes willing to take less to stay there.
He's found his home. Not the face of a franchise will retire in a couple of years.

Anyways we need more than patching for 2 years. We need someone for 5+ years

 

[Miller Time]

0 reason why Duchene would leave Dallas.
Dallas are a good team , im sure hes willing to take less to stay there.
He's found his home. Not the face of a franchise.

Forget his name.

i don't know... it would be a pretty large outlier to see a player in his situation take a 2nd bargain basement contract on a team where he's playing a big role and off the back of a highly productive season.

add in the massive cap bump and associated earning potential, and I think it's almost a given he doesn't re-sign there unless they off load several contracts.

Duchesne is top 20 in scoring league wide... 3rd in ES ice time for the stars... and already gave them 2 seasons at team friendly 3M$, while watching them open up the brink truck for Rantanen (and paying dumba 1M$ more over two years lol). He's only 34.

my bet is that he'll sign a 4-5 year deal at 9M$ somewhere, with Calgary being a front runner (in no small part because they may well give him an extra bump to match the tax $ he might leave on the table with a similar offer.

Hawks, Flames, Ducks, Utah, CBJ, Sabres, Penguins, Flyers... just too many teams with both need and cap space for him to leave millions on the table imo

 

[Miller Time]

if we can't land an established RD top 4 upgrade, I do like the idea of targeting a player like Kaedan Korczak from Vegas. While ELC contracts like his are valuable to a team like that, they have a bit of a logjam on D and very little draft capital next two seasons, so maybe a pick or two gets it done (2nd & 5th?)

 

[Beendair Donedat]

The best this board can do

Crosby who doesn't want to leave Pittsburgh
Zegras overrated one trick pony not built for playoffs.

C'mon folks

Two minutes for inciting a crowd!!! Haha

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Bottom 6 forward that got incredibly lucky and had a career year.

He’s not though, he’s a legit player.

He was on a deep Canes team that simply didn’t have room for him. Got scooped up by Seattle but had to play behind Beniers, Gourde and Donato. Wasn’t much left after that, and wasn’t much scoring throughout that lineup.

Moves on to Boston, plays his way into a top 6 role and scores accordingly. Boston rewards him with more ice time and responsibility this year and he explodes. He’s always been a hard working, talented guy, he just needed the chance to play. Playing with Pasternak doesn’t hurt but he earned his way there. He’d fit in well just about anywhere, although I see him as more of a winger than a center.

I think he would look great on a line with Suzuki and Caufield, doing most of the dirty work. He has a solid two way game, and great speed. Only drawback is he’s a right hand shot, which we have far too many of already in our top 6.

A very good player though, and someone I’d love to have, just doesn’t fit with the current makeup of the team unless some pieces are moved.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

if we can't land an established RD top 4 upgrade, I do like the idea of targeting a player like Kaedan Korczak from Vegas. While ELC contracts like his are valuable to a team like that, they have a bit of a logjam on D and very little draft capital next two seasons, so maybe a pick or two gets it done (2nd & 5th?)

I’ve mentioned Korczak a few times. He’s a very solid young player that’s simply behind a wall of contracts. He would be a very good addition to this team, and as I’ve mentioned before with Vegas having very few picks and Montreal having a plethora, it’s a deal that seems to make a ton of sense for either side.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I’m just trying to figure it out whos so easily available for what we have to offer?

When you do team by team, there’s not a lot of good 2C available. Everything can change, but people here expect so much (Horvat, Thomas,Crosby). They gonna be disapointed. I hope I’m wrong but we gonna get someone whos not gonna be a concensus, a young guy like Zegras or we gonna sign a vet like Granlund.

I’m really hoping Hughes gonna fletch someone, but it’s easier said than done.

I really don't see Zegras as a center anymore and I don't see him as someone MSL would ever lean on as a Top 6 center. He's been playing the wing on McTavish's line. I think they'll want more of a proven center and less of an experiment or reclamation project.

 

[Kimota]

BTW looking back, I don't think us trading Savard and Armia at the TDL would have armed us in any ways. So you were wrong Suzuki!

 

[bleuetbio]

I really don't see Zegras as a center anymore and I don't see him as someone MSL would ever lean on as a Top 6 center. He's been playing the wing on McTavish's line. I think they'll want more of a proven center and less of an experiment or reclamation project.

Theres a lot of "old timer center" unable to play that position anymore and the only I would take guess on is Jared McCann. I feel that the situation should be exagerate a bit on him because they have already 3 bonafides center on Stephenson, Wright and Beniers.

I realy that we're on Kraken file seriously because I feel there some potential to do business with them

 

[Seb]

BTW looking back, I don't think us trading Savard and Armia at the TDL would have armed us in any ways. So you were wrong Suzuki!

I'm pretty sure Savard's presence in the locker room will be very important. I know this is something that is usually laughed at by fans but there's truth to it and we've seen what a room full of leaders can do in our last cup run.

I want him here for this run even if he sucks. I want the kids to learn from him.

 

[Habitant#1]

Honestly, if a deal for the right player just isn't there this summer, I'm more than happy for Hughes to sign (or trade for) a stop-gap UFA for 1-2 years.

Hughes should be patient for the right player to become available, instead of forcing the issue IMO.

 

[Egresch]

I’ve mentioned Korczak a few times. He’s a very solid young player that’s simply behind a wall of contracts. He would be a very good addition to this team, and as I’ve mentioned before with Vegas having very few picks and Montreal having a plethora, it’s a deal that seems to make a ton of sense for either side.

Would you do Korczak for Struble swap?

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

if we can't land an established RD top 4 upgrade, I do like the idea of targeting a player like Kaedan Korczak from Vegas. While ELC contracts like his are valuable to a team like that, they have a bit of a logjam on D and very little draft capital next two seasons, so maybe a pick or two gets it done (2nd & 5th?)

Probably like more experience on Blueline and better hands. Habs already very young on backend with potentially more rookies joining team next year.

 

[NeptunesTrident]

Korczak could be in a similar situation to Broberg where a team will offer sheet him. If Vegas figures they will lose him they may be more inclined to trade him in an attempt to get more than what the RFA compensation would be.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Honestly, if a deal for the right player just isn't there this summer, I'm more than happy for Hughes to sign (or trade for) a stop-gap UFA for 1-2 years.

Hughes should be patient for the right player to become available, instead of forcing the issue IMO.

Habs are not entering next season with Newhook or Dach in the top 6. I think giving a stop gap for a year or 2 is not what we need. We need to improve this team and sometimes you gotta overpay. They are many teams right now who rebuilding or wants to retool. The opportunity is there

 

[yianik]

NYR looking to blow it up after this year, i dont think they have a choice? Might be a good time to target Laff.. how about Laine + 1st for Laff?

Laff is a winger. No. Especially the 1st , as Laine is also a winger.

 

[Feanor]

If we try get something from the ruins of the Rangers, any trust that Trochek would bounce back if he could be available for a modest price?

I just think that there are far too many teams trying to find a 2C this summer that finding a stop gap and hoping for an eventual internal solution is the correct approach.

And at 5.6 Trocheck would not prevent Habs from pouncing into an oppotunity if a young potential center would suddenly become available during the season.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Would you do Korczak for Struble swap?

Vegas wouldn’t and that’s all that matters.

They’ve got Theodore, Hague, Hanifin, Hutton and McNabb there as left hand shot defensemen. I know Theodore plays the right side as well, but I think their blueline is pretty set on the left side.

I think value wise, it’s probably not that far off, but it’s simply not a position of need for Vegas.

If anything I’d try to poach Nicolas Roy from them as he’s one of the few forwards they have that’s got no trade protection built into his contract, and losing him would help free up some much needed cap room.

Roy would be a solid pickup for this team, could play a similar role as Armia is now, only at a cheaper rate.

I’d offer Vegas something like -

To Vegas: 2025 2nd round pick, Kirby Dach

To Montreal: Kaden Korczak and Nicholas Roy.

Vegas gets some cap relief, and a cost/team controlled RFA with potential.

Habs move on from Dach, while adding some very good depth with size, and a solid young right hand shot defender… which buys Reinbacher and Mailloux some more AHL time to season, and keeps balance to the pairings.

Assuming my proposed deal was made -

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Demidov - ______ - Laine
Heineman - Roy - Newhook
Gallagher - Evans - Anderson

Guhle - Hutson
Struble - Carrier
Xhekaj - Korczak

Montembeault
Dobes or Fowler

 

[waitin425]

I'm still willing to give Dach another shot. At his cap hit and with the tools he has, I still think he has some breakout potential. Let's wait and see what he can do. While, I'd go shopping for a 2C and use significant draft capital to acquire one, I would be okay if the right deal wasn't there and we don't pull the trigger. Hughes has proven he has a decent set of go-nads. Dach next to Demidov might actually work.

A top 4 RD would be ideal. Don't know enough about Korczak - but if you guys are talking him up....I'd be willing to go for it.

Or if Newhook plays well with Demi and Laine we roll.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Newhook - Demidov
Heinemen - Beck - Dach
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Kapanen

Hutson - Rein
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Korzcak/Mailloux
Struble

Monty
Dobes


Fowler and Primeau in Laval

 

[Saundies]

If we try get something from the ruins of the Rangers, any trust that Trochek would bounce back if he could be available for a modest price?

I just think that there are far too many teams trying to find a 2C this summer that finding a stop gap and hoping for an eventual internal solution is the correct approach.

And at 5.6 Trocheck would not prevent Habs from pouncing into an oppotunity if a young potential center would suddenly become available during the season.

I really hope Drury gets fire and that whole front office gets overhauled somehow so we can attempt to at least try to deal with them. I don't know why (I'm assuming it had something to do with Gorton getting fired but I don't know the details) but the Habs and Rangers refuse to even discuss trade right now.

I'd take Mika even if they didn't want to get rid of Trocheck.

 

[Egresch]

Vegas wouldn’t and that’s all that matters.

They’ve got Theodore, Hague, Hanifin, Hutton and McNabb there as left hand shot defensemen. I know Theodore plays the right side as well, but I think their blueline is pretty set on the left side.

I think value wise, it’s probably not that far off, but it’s simply not a position of need for Vegas.

My thinking behind this was that Hague will be RFA and he will ask for raise from his 2,3M. He is actually a good candidate for an offersheet. Theodore plays right side, so they have Pietrangelo, Theodore, Whitecloud on the right side, left would be Hanifin, McNabb, Struble. That is a solid defence and they will save salary (Hague vs. Struble). Hutton is no more than 7th D.
Plus we might discuss William Karlsson as 2C target. They have Eichel, Hertl, Roy and Howden, so they might be willing to move on from Karlsson who is 32 and has 2 more years of 5,9M. For them, that would be additional cap space to attract top6 winger.