HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Boss Man Hughes]

We need two things to entice Sid to demand a trade to the glorious Montreal Canadiens:

Habs go on a tear this spring to remind him what a real winning team looks like. & Also for media to whine nonstop about how habs are ONE 2C away from being the next dynasty.

That will surely get his attention. Sid is gonna feel it man

If he cared about winning he would have left already.

 

[HabzSauce]

If he cared about winning he would have left already.

People change. Penguins are crap right now, id be surprised if he isn't at least contemplating what it would be like on a different team

 

[DAChampion]

You see my nickname...so you can guess that I like Crosby a lot..

But.....


Even with 86 points this season Crosby is really not effective defensively like he use to be...

When he gives a good effort in the offensive zone he has no gaz in the tank to do a good job in the d zone as a center.

This year dudes like Bryan Rust and Rackell helped him à lot defensively as his wingers but even then ...Crosby is -20.

Now...imagine him with Patrick Laine 5 vs 5.......

I mean it would be interesting in transitions but they would be stuck in their zone a lot.

..and I am the biggest Crosby's fan in the world..

Crosby does not driving the play as before. He need some partners with him along the boards where he is still great...and Laine is not good at all along the boards behind the goal line

Outstanding post, good food for thought.

Who could be Crosby's wingers in Montreal?

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

The more I look into this draft the more I think this is the year to package 1sts in a trade

 

[Egresch]

As others have pointed out, OS to get him likely needs to be in the range requiring a 1st as compensation.

This squad adding only Cuylle would still be at risk of injuries pushing us into lottery territory. Can't be giving up a potential ticket in the McKenna sweepstakes just for Cuylle.

If we had RD &/or 2C upgrades also in place, then I'd be more in favour, but as our main focus? No thanks

Cuylle would be a great addition and I agree they should really consider to offersheet him. Timing works in their favor as we will have:
NHL draft (June 27-28) >>> UFA (July 1) >>> Offersheets
By the time of offersheet, we might already have 2C and maybe even RHD. In that case, we can just trade Josh Anderson and use the cap space for Cuylle offersheet.

 

[Feanor]

Could Couturier be potential target as 2C?

He would be a better Dvorak more than a young guy to grow with the rest of the group, but he would still be defensively responsible one so should fit well between Laine and Deminov and cap hit notwithstanding he could slide into 3C role after a few seasons if Kapanen or some other prospect blossoms into 2C.

 

[Archijerej]

How is Provorov doing these days?

He was once hailed as a #1D in Philly and is a pending UFA. He's still 28 at the start of next season, plays over 23 minutes in Columbus and is their most used penalty killer. Perhaps he could be a long-term replacement for Matheson as the #2/3D.

Guhle - Hutson
Provorov - Carrier/Reinbacher
Struble - Reinbacher/Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard

 

[Egresch]

Could Couturier be potential target as 2C?

He would be a better Dvorak more than a young guy to grow with the rest of the group, but he would still be defensively responsible one so should fit well between Laine and Deminov and cap hit notwithstanding he could slide into 3C role after a few seasons if Kapanen or some other prospect blossoms into 2C.

He is 32 and still left with 5 years of 7.75M contract, nobody will touch that for "slightly better" Dvorak.
On the other note, I think Philly is prime candidate for McKenna tank. Trade away Sanheim, Ristolainen, Konecny, maybe even Tippett.

 

[therocket9]

How is Provorov doing these days?

He was once hailed as a #1D in Philly and is a pending UFA. He's still 28 at the start of next season, plays over 23 minutes in Columbus and is their most used penalty killer. Perhaps he could be a long-term replacement for Matheson as the #2/3D.

Guhle - Hutson
Provorov - Carrier/Reinbacher
Struble - Reinbacher/Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard

A player like Gavrikov is much better defensively than Provorov and can also play the right side....something he did every game this year until Doughty came back.

 

[Pat Riot]

How is Provorov doing these days?

He was once hailed as a #1D in Philly and is a pending UFA. He's still 28 at the start of next season, plays over 23 minutes in Columbus and is their most used penalty killer. Perhaps he could be a long-term replacement for Matheson as the #2/3D.

Guhle - Hutson
Provorov - Carrier/Reinbacher
Struble - Reinbacher/Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard

A LD is not needed. I wouldnt project Hutson staying on the right side. Guhle is more a second pair dman

 

[Mrb1p]

Utah has one good LD and 3 top 4 RD and Lamoureux coming up.

A Matheson / Marino or Kesselring swap +/- picks could be good for both teams.

 

[Archijerej]

A player like Gavrikov is much better defensively than Provorov and can also play the right side....something he did every game this year until Doughty came back.

Gavrikov is certainly an option, but it depends on how are we trying to structure our blueline. We are going to lose a lot of transition ability with Matheson.

Also, I would assume there's a better chance Gavrikov wants to stay in LA, than Provorov in Columbus.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Utah has one good LD and 3 top 4 RD and Lamoureux coming up.

A Matheson / Marino or Kesselring swap +/- picks could be good for both teams.

Or Matheson + for Hayton.

Great underlyings but bad finishing luck - get Adam Nicholas working with him and have him at 2C.

 

[Saundies]

But they should. And maybe they will after this year. We'll see I guess.

I realize the possibility of Crosby is remote. We'll probably never get him. But Pittsburgh need to understand that they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

I totally understand if they want to keep Crosby as he's a legend, but if they want to think long term, the right move is to trade him while he has value.

If you're a Pittsburgh fan, or front office exec, you would have to see the writing on the wall, no? If you keep Crosby + current core til they're done, that's at least 2 more years (if Crosby is done by then.. might not even be). If it goes anything like this year, you're not making the playoffs. When you finally do decide to rebuild, if you don't trade any of these guys for futures, you're starting from 0 essentially. That's another 3-5 years til you're back to being bubble/sort of competitive. Do you really want to wait 7-8 years to be back in the mix again?

I know the owners, who only think about money, don't care and want as many "legends" in their lineup as possible to get people in seats but come on.

 

[Mrb1p]

Or Matheson + for Hayton.

Great underlyings but bad finishing luck - get Adam Nicholas working with him and have him at 2C.

Bad finishing luck or more Newhookism? I think were past the reclamation project time and I also struggle to see why they would trade him, they dont have anyone else at C. Also Tourigny loves him.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Utah has one good LD and 3 top 4 RD and Lamoureux coming up.

A Matheson / Marino or Kesselring swap +/- picks could be good for both teams.

Utah isn't trading Marino or kesselring.

 

[Mrb1p]

Utah isn't trading Marino or kesselring.

So Durzi is their move? They need to make room for Lamoureux, he looked ready to make the step in his call up.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Bad finishing luck or more Newhookism? I think were past the reclamation project time and I also struggle to see why they would trade him, they dont have anyone else at C. Also Tourigny loves him.

They have Cooley and Schmaltz who can take top 6 duties. I think Hayton's underlyings have gotten better each season he's been in the league, whereas Newhook generates himself a lot of chances but not many for others (and is terrible defensively unlike Hayton).

Demidov will put it on a platter for him and Laine, but he'll need someone to take care of the line defensively which would be Hayton's role.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

How is Provorov doing these days?

He was once hailed as a #1D in Philly and is a pending UFA. He's still 28 at the start of next season, plays over 23 minutes in Columbus and is their most used penalty killer. Perhaps he could be a long-term replacement for Matheson as the #2/3D.

Guhle - Hutson
Provorov - Carrier/Reinbacher
Struble - Reinbacher/Carrier
Xhekaj - Savard

Provorov was always overused for his ability, and it isn't any better this year. He's been pretty awful both offensively and defensively this year, I wouldn't have any interest in him unless playing bottom pairing minutes would help his game.

 

[sampollock]

good to shoot for the stars. But no way Sid is coming to MTL

 

[Captain Mountain]

Not sure what part of my post you're replying to here.

The core is built. We have a whack of players 25 and under who are going to lead us to contention. Now it's about adding to it. Crosby doesn't get in the way of anyone. We badly need another center and he'd give us the luxury of having two number ones.

The Canadiens have stockpiled picks and prospects for a long time now. We have excess prospects and it's okay to move some of that out for something that can help us in the immediate. The core is built.

Three picks don't get McDavid. If it did, I'd be happy to pay for him too.

It might get Crosby - if he's available at all.

With Crosby in the lineup, I think we become contenders right away.

The core isn't built. Montreal's got one line and a couple of D-men, and we can't project their upside (or the fit of guys like Demidov and Reinbacher). Montreal may have a core. but its not there yet. And you have to verge on the level of homerism to project the contention window as being basically next season if the idea is to add a 38 year old to add to it. Even if that player is Crosby.

I don't have any issue with Montreal moving picks/prospects/etc. to add to the core. I have a problem when its adding one of the oldest players in the league.

I generally don't buy the argument that 3 picks gets Crosby though because there's no evidence he wants to play anywhere other than Pittsburgh and there's plenty of evidence (from the fact he signed a contract last offseason to his public comments) to support it. And if we're daydreaming, I'd rather daydream about McDavid not believing in Edmonton's front office and wanting to lead a pre-eminent franchise to a cup.

I also don't think Crosby makes Montreal a contender right away, because Montreal's bigger issue isn't offense, its defence. And Crosby isn't the two way force he was even a couple of seasons ago. And if Montreal doesn't address that then they can be a top 10 or top 5 offensive team in the NHL and not contend (and may not even make the playoffs).

 

[ML16]

I disagree with putting Reinbacher in that position and also I don’t think Newhook or Dach can do what Dvorak/3C is meant to do (eat hard minutes and play C).

Reino should be pencilled in as a bottom pairing player until he pushes himself up.

Newhook can maybe replace Armia as a 3rd line W but definitely not as a C. Dach is a write-off and awful defensively anyway.


Yeah I see the Matheson+ swap for a RHD as a viable option. Hope it works out as you say.

The way I see it, once the Habs can ice two potent offensive line, the defensive pressure on the bottom-6 will be greatly alleviated; but if Newhook can’t reinvent himself as a two-way C, trading for one could however be most opportune!

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Utah has one good LD and 3 top 4 RD and Lamoureux coming up.

A Matheson / Marino or Kesselring swap +/- picks could be good for both teams.

Doubt they'd want Matheson in a switch.

Can't imagine anyone would want him.

But if they haven't watched the Habs and are the Habs should look into getting Crouse, or McBain, too

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Doubt they'd want Matheson in a switch.

Can't imagine anyone would want him.

But if they haven't watched the Habs and are the Habs should look into getting Crouse, or McBain, too

MCBain has become really good for them. They aren;t giving him up. They gave the wild a 2nd round pick for him and he's become good. Not sure they will even give him up for a 1st.

 

[le_sean]

The core isn't built. Montreal's got one line and a couple of D-men, and we can't project their upside (or the fit of guys like Demidov and Reinbacher). Montreal may have a core. but its not there yet. And you have to verge on the level of homerism to project the contention window as being basically next season if the idea is to add a 38 year old to add to it. Even if that player is Crosby.

I don't have any issue with Montreal moving picks/prospects/etc. to add to the core. I have a problem when its adding one of the oldest players in the league.

I generally don't buy the argument that 3 picks gets Crosby though because there's no evidence he wants to play anywhere other than Pittsburgh and there's plenty of evidence (from the fact he signed a contract last offseason to his public comments) to support it. And if we're daydreaming, I'd rather daydream about McDavid not believing in Edmonton's front office and wanting to lead a pre-eminent franchise to a cup.

I also don't think Crosby makes Montreal a contender right away, because Montreal's bigger issue isn't offense, its defence. And Crosby isn't the two way force he was even a couple of seasons ago. And if Montreal doesn't address that then they can be a top 10 or top 5 offensive team in the NHL and not contend (and may not even make the playoffs).

Crosby easily makes Montreal a contender. We are in a wild card spot despite being a very young team and having the worst 2nd line in the league. You’re honestly saying if Crosby was there all year instead of Dach, and Demidov instead of Newhook that the team wouldn’t be comfortably in a playoff spot? You’re replacing a 2C that was on pace for 35 points with one that’s going to get 90+ and a winger that’s struggling to get 25 points with one that should get 60, as a rookie.

I’m not saying they’d be favourites, but does anyone want to face that team in a 7 game series? Statistically one of the best 1st lines in the league. On paper probably the best 2nd line in the league. A 3rd line that’s been great. A good 4th line that can chip in. Not to mention the PP becomes nearly automatic, you’re replacing Slaf and Caufield with Crosby and Demidov. That is insanity.

Despite trading 1sts, they’d still have pieces to give to upgrade the D.