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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

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No, but Crosby has been consistent with his messaging that he wants to retire a Pittsburgh Penguin. I was wondering if anything had changed since there has been a lot of posts lately on trading for him.
Nothing's changed. I wouldn't expect it to. I don't think he's suddenly going to go ask for a trade.
 
I don’t think he wants to be traded from the Pens but to say over and over again he’s gonna retire when he’s over ppg is a stretch.
40 year old who's won every possible individual and league award including the biggest one 3 times retiring isn't a stretch. Bergeron retired when he scored 27 goals and nearly 60 points while also winning the Selke.

But let's pretend that it's not a stretch that Crosby is giving us (and nobody else) a minimum 5 year commitment at his age.
 
I think the issue is the 9.5M you devote to re-signing Dvorak at 4.5M and find a Savard replacement at 5M when Newhook/Dach and Reinbacher are already internal replacement for their respective roles of 3C and RHD.
I disagree with putting Reinbacher in that position and also I don’t think Newhook or Dach can do what Dvorak/3C is meant to do (eat hard minutes and play C).

Reino should be pencilled in as a bottom pairing player until he pushes himself up.

Newhook can maybe replace Armia as a 3rd line W but definitely not as a C. Dach is a write-off and awful defensively anyway.

The Habs should rather focus on acquiring a 2C and, ideally, swap Matheson (or Struble) for a RHD.

Available space : 95.5M

Projected cap space (with Price) : 85.5M

Available cap space (with Price’s LTIR) : 20M

ELCs (1.9M + Bonus) : Demidov (975K + Bonus), Reinbacher (975K + Bonus)

RFAs (4M) : Heineman (1.3M), Struble (1.35M), Dobes (1.35M)

Remaining cap space for UFAs / Trades with 12 forwards, 7 defensemen and 2 goalies already signed : 14M

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovski
Laine - 2C (7M) - Demidov
Anderson - Newhook - Dach
Heineman - Evans - Gallagher
Kapanen, Tuch/Xhekaj

Hutson - RHD (8M - Matheson/Struble’s AAV)
Guhle - Carrier
Struble/Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj

Montembault
Dobes
Yeah I see the Matheson+ swap for a RHD as a viable option. Hope it works out as you say.
 
40 year old who's won every possible individual and league award including the biggest one 3 times retiring isn't a stretch. Bergeron retired when he scored 27 goals and nearly 60 points while also winning the Selke.

But let's pretend that it's not a stretch that Crosby is giving us (and nobody else) a minimum 5 year commitment at his age.

IMO Crosby has two great years left.
 
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IMO Crosby has two great years left.
Yeah that's what I think. But playing 18 minutes in Mtl would probably ease his regression.

I would say 2 years as 1A/1B with Suzuki and 2 more years as a great 2C to groom Hage. Would give him 1 or 2 chances at another Cup.
 
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Reads like 4 chances to me.
Ok maybe 3.

I just think there is an adjustment period , not only for him, but even more important for Demidov and Reinbacher, who will play a big role in our cup runs.

I think we would be really competitive as soon as next year but legit chance at the cup, only in 2 years.
 
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The odds of them getting McKenna are greatly reduced if he's still with the team.
They are 3 points from selecting 4th OV. I can easily see them picking top 3 next year in front of Seattle,Philly and Nashville. Trading him will insure you a top lottery pick, but I think they will still be even if Sid stays there. That roster is just so bad.
 
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I swear this team hasnt had a good forward for so long that we dont know what adding actual first liners does to a team, and Im not talking about the Fischer-Price "first line" wingers we have in Montréal.
 
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40 year old who's won every possible individual and league award including the biggest one 3 times retiring isn't a stretch. Bergeron retired when he scored 27 goals and nearly 60 points while also winning the Selke.

But let's pretend that it's not a stretch that Crosby is giving us (and nobody else) a minimum 5 year commitment at his age.
Crosby is a gym rat, a hockey geek, a true passionate. He is currently 9th in points. If he continue to play for 4-5 years, he can go top5. I'm thinking it's something that can drive him.

You making reference to Patrick Kane and Patrice Bergeron is pretty futile. None of them are Sidney Crosby, a once in a generation player. Both were not at the lvl Sid is right now. The only thing that's gonna send Crosby to retirement is a big injury. Anyway it's all speculation from us here. I really believe he's gonna retire as a Pens.
 
Crosby is a gym rat, a hockey geek, a true passionate. He is currently 9th in points. If he continue to play for 4-5 years, he can go top5. I'm thinking it's something that can drive him.

You making reference to Patrick Kane and Patrice Bergeron is pretty futile. None of them are Sidney Crosby, a once in a generation player. Both were not at the lvl Sid is right now. The only thing that's gonna send Crosby to retirement is a big injury. Anyway it's all speculation from us here. I really believe he's gonna retire as a Pens.
Bergeron clearly showed he was capable of being a great player in his final year yet still retired. 40 year olds are far more likely to retire when they've already accomplished everything in the sport. It's absurd to think he's never going to retire and will continue playing until he's like 65 to chase records.
 
They are 3 points from selecting 4th OV. I can easily see them picking top 3 next year in front of Seattle,Philly and Nashville. Trading him will insure you a top lottery pick, but I think they will still be even if Sid stays there. That roster is just so bad.
If you’re going to tank, why hang onto Crosby? Get three picks and tank. That’s how you kickstart a rebuild.

Does Crosby want to spend the last years of his career on horrible teams? This is why I think there’s an opportunity here.
 
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Agree.

But that’s like saying you shouldn’t get a Norris winner because he won’t score 50 goals.

We need a 2nd line and this guy would walk in as a legit first. We’d have two firsts lined to go with Reinbacher who’s coming in. Getting Crosby doesn’t stop us from getting an additional blueliner on top of that too.

No rationale for adding a 90 point player to fill a glaring need? I don’t follow what you’re saying here.

We are the 2nd youngest team in the league and are actually on target to be even younger next season. Still have good prospects making their way up… why wouldn’t we want to add a guy who makes us immediate contenders? We’ve stockpiled picks and prospects. It’s okay to deal some off. We’re in phase two of the rebuild and Crosby makes us immensely better.

No, its not. And frankly after the Bergevin years of trying to build a team around early 20s players and mid-30s players, I'm surprised so many people are so in favour of that approach all of a sudden.

And its very clearly about the cost. Because the cost to acquire a Crosby, assuming he'd be available (which is incredibly unlikely), would be significant. And Montreal's situation is not so secure that they can just pay that cost.

Like if the argument is that its adding "a 90 point player to fill a glaring need" irrespective of feasibility or cost, then I want Barkov or Eichel or McDavid or Draisaitl. Or start with the baseline that no one posting here is against Montreal getting better, its just that posters disagree on how to do that.

And I'm not against Montreal adding veterans. I want the team to see what it would cost to acquire Weegar. I'd like to see if they can sign a guy like Duchene to a big money short term deal. I just think the cost that Crosby would have in a trade doesn't make sense for where Montreal is and that by the time Montreal will really contend that chances are Crosby wont be what he is now.
 
Bergeron clearly showed he was capable of being a great player in his final year yet still retired. 40 year olds are far more likely to retire when they've already accomplished everything in the sport. It's absurd to think he's never going to retire and will continue playing until he's like 65 to chase records.
Was Begeron close to beeing top5 in points, ever?! Stop with that Bergeron and Kane thing, getting boring. It's absurd to say he's going to retire if he still play good, no injuries and getting close to top 4-5 in points. He has a chance at making history, can't compare his situation with Bergeron.
 
If you’re going to tank, why hang onto Crosby? Get three picks and tank. That’s how you kickstart a rebuild.

Does Crosby want to spend the last years of his career on horrible teams? This is why I think there’s an opportunity here.

Pittsburgh isn't tanking. They're trying to re-tool like Washington did. They need to fix their goaltending. Jarry isn't it.

Unfortunately, goaltending was also an issue for Dubas in Toronto. He couldn't or didn't prioritize it at all. He really needs to because Jarry killed them this year.
 
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Pittsburgh isn't tanking. They're trying to re-tool like Washington did. They need to fix their goaltending. Jarry isn't it.

Unfortunately, goaltending was also an issue for Dubas in Toronto. He couldn't or didn't prioritize it at all. He really needs to because Jarry killed them this year.
Primeau for Crosby!!! :sarcasm:
 
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Was Begeron close to beeing top5 in points, ever?! Stop with that Bergeron and Kane thing, getting boring. It's absurd to say he's going to retire if he still play good, no injuries and getting close to top 4-5 in points. He has a chance at making history, can't compare his situation with Bergeron.
So when did Crosby himself tell you he's retiring? The second he's only an 81 point player instead of 82? 98 years old?

You insinuated that Crosby won't retire while he's still excelling, Bergeron was still excelling and still retired. The Kane talk was about how legends past their prime can dictate where they want to go meaning they won't cost an arm and a leg to acquire
 
Crosby won't be asking for a trade because he wants to win another cup.

But he will come to the conclusion it's the best scenario for the organization that he loves and cherishes.

The decision will come from him and him only and it's really not that far fetched he decides to accept a trade.
 
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