HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Scriptor]

I remember wanting Lapierre the year of his draft. I wonder what has taken so long for him, although he has played in the NHL 88 games over two seasons?

He's only 23, though, and his team is on a playoff/Cup mission while Ovechkin is still playing hockey and about to break Gretzky's all-time goal-scoring record.

At worst, I think Hendrix will eventually make a good 3C and I think would play well with Joshua Roy. More of a playmaker, he might also succeed with Demidov and Laine. Sometimes, for talented Centers who have a knack for accumulating points, it's just a question of getting their chance with talented line mates to convert the chances they create.

Still, Hendrix is another project at this stage of his career, not an established C. If the cost is low,I'd take a flyer on Hendrix, but I would really like to add a confirmed 2C for Demidov, Laine and the team's benefit.

However, an unconfirmed offensive, top-4 RHD for an unconfirmed top-6 Center sounds about right as a valuation for a trade.

I coud see Mailloux for Hendrix

 

[Scriptor]

You trade what people suggest we trade for Crosby when the team is merely a Crosby away from winning the Cup a couple of times in a row, but the after effects when he is soon gone won't be great after giving that much up for him.

It would;d have to rely on Hasge being Da Bomb when he makes into the NHL. Nothing of the sort is guaranteed, especially as a center.

 

[Scriptor]

I remember wanting Lapierre the year of his draft. I wonder what has taken so long for him, although he has played in the NHL 88 games over two seasons?

He's only 23, though, and his team is on a playoff/Cup mission while Ovechkin is still playing hockey and about to break Gretzky's all-time goal-scoring record.

At worst, I think Hendrix will eventually make a good 3C and I think would play well with Joshua Roy. More of a playmaker, he might also succeed with Demidov and Laine. Sometimes, for talented Centers who have a knack for accumulating points, it's just a question of getting their chance with talented line mates to convert the chances they create.

Still, Hendrix is another project at this stage of his career, not an established C. If the cost is low,I'd take a flyer on Hendrix, but I would really like to add a confirmed 2C for Demidov, Laine and the team's benefit.

However, an unconfirmed offensive, top-4 RHD for an unconfirmed top-6 Center sounds about right as a valuation for a trade.

I coud see Mailloux for Hendrix

Hendrix, also drafted 22nd OA, does he have as much potential as Hage?

 

[Hockeyfan200]

The injury has nothing to do with only getting 24 pts in 42 games unless he was playing injured. He is not a franchise centre but he is the Wild's #1 centre. Don't see how they can move him.

he was playing injured. wild have the world worst training staff. He came back for one game and somehow got injured bigly in practice. They rush player's back when they should and it's why they have had so many injuries this year. He's basically untouchable, so your right

 

[SpeedyPotato]

How about David Pastrnak for both first round picks?

Bruins wouldn’t do that, but anyways if they were keen on trading away their best players, I’d be all over McAvoy before Pasta

 

[Paradoxe]

Go after Horvat and Luostarinen, resign Armia, and sign Sturm if Dvorak does not take a big home discount. Sign Perbix to replace Savard until Reinbacher is ready.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Luostarinen - Horvat - Demidov
Heineman - Evans - Armia
Newhook/Gallagher - Sturm - Anderson

Hutson - Guhle
Matheson - Carrier
Struble - Perbix
Xhekaj - Mailloux.

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/453699?ht-comment-id=24301761

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Franchise C??? Hes a 60 pts C.

He's one of the best two way C in the game. Wild see him as their franchise C along with their fans. Not saying he's an actual franchise but he's a total stud.

 

[waitin425]

You trade what people suggest we trade for Crosby when the team is merely a Crosby away from winning the Cup a couple of times in a row, but the after effects when he is soon gone won't be great after giving that much up for him.

It would;d have to rely on Hasge being Da Bomb when he makes into the NHL. Nothing of the sort is guaranteed, especially as a center.

The thing with the 3 x 1st round picks is that they are all likely to be 16+. Draft odds aren't that good. Adding Beck is the sweetener for them. He is at best a 3rd line centre for us. Hage is the prospect we want to keep IMO.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Crosby - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Kapanen

Guhle - Hutson
Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

Thats a team that makes a serious run at the cup for the next two years at least. Once Crosby drops off....we make a play for another 2C or Hage walks in. I'm willing to bet on Hage.

We have enough top 6 talent that id trade draft capital at this point to get 2-4 years of Sid.

As for Lapierre. If we acquired him this Summer. He is behind Beck and Hage. At 23 years old.....Why?

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Hes as amazing as ever, im sure he could remain as a top 6 C for the next 10 years and Im not even pushing it.

Father Time is undefeated for a reason. It will catch up to him much sooner than that.

 

[Paradoxe]

The thing with the 3 x 1st round picks is that they are all likely to be 16+. Draft odds aren't that good. Adding Beck is the sweetener for them. He is at best a 3rd line centre for us. Hage is the prospect we want to keep IMO.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Crosby - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Kapanen

Guhle - Hutson
Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

Thats a team that makes a serious run at the cup for the next two years at least. Once Crosby drops off....we make a play for another 2C or Hage walks in. I'm willing to bet on Hage.

We have enough top 6 talent that id trade draft capital at this point to get 2-4 years of Sid.

Crosby would be a fatal error.

 

[CzarDemidov]

I wouldn't trade what he's worth i'm the stick to the plan guy don't rush the rebuild unless a great deal comes up so a great deal for Crosby will insult all Penguins fans its better to go ufa if possible and yes Hague is still a ????? but i think he will be very good.

If a 'great deal' doesn't come up and the best UFA C (Duchene) refuses to sign here -- do you think we go into next season with Evans as our 2C? Something has to give here, no? What good is a plan if you won't improve a clear weakness of the roster with the surplus of assets you have...

You trade what people suggest we trade for Crosby when the team is merely a Crosby away from winning the Cup a couple of times in a row, but the after effects when he is soon gone won't be great after giving that much up for him.

It would;d have to rely on Hasge being Da Bomb when he makes into the NHL. Nothing of the sort is guaranteed, especially as a center.

No team is merely one player away from winning the Cup. The point isn't to reverse engineering a Cup winning roster but to make significant, high-impact improvements to an existing roster on an on-going basis (building vs rebuilding). Dallas doesn't know if they were a Rantanen away from winning, they went out and paid the price to acquire him anyway. The Rangers weren't a Panarin away from winning but they signed him to improve their roster anyway.

I think Bergevin's worst and most indefensible tendency was his categorical rejection of long-term roster improvements. It's an austerity mentality that doesn't make any sense -- he squandered Carey Price's prime and Shea Weber's remaining good years and now we see Kent Hughes outright stating that he won't do the same with Suzuki.

We have a PPG+ 1C, we need to get him some help. What's the most you'd give up to acquire Crosby? (or Horvat, or whoever)

 

[waitin425]

Crosby would be a fatal error.

Disagree. Our top 6 is young no one is aging out for 5 years (except maybe Laine) With Hage we have a future piece to slot in and replace Crosby.

We have 3 of our top 4 on the back end, Lane, Guhle, Rein. We still need that 4th piece to fit that group.

We can filled the bottom of the lineup in other ways.

Crosby puts us over the top IMO. These draft picks will have no room for at least 5ish years if we retain Laine. By then we will have recouped our draft capital in 27, 28 and 29.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Crosby would be a fatal error.

I agree that 3 first round picks would be a mistake given his age.. but I also don't think he will cost that much, given his age - and his reputation. If he wants to be traded, he will likely pick the destination and Pittsburgh won't have a ton of negotiating power even if it is Crosby we're talking about. The poster suggesting 3 first round picks and Beck is a bit much.. but I would do something like a 1st, 2 2nds and Beck in a heart beat. Maybe even consider 2 first round picks and Beck. (I don't view Beck as highly as others. 3rd line centre at best in the NHL imo.)
We are close to the contending part of the rebuild. Our core is still young but entering their primes. We have stockpiled enough draft picks. It's time to let a few go to help this team in the now, not in the *maybe* 3-4 years.

 

[Paradoxe]

Disagree. Our top 6 is young no one is aging out for 5 years (except maybe Laine) With Hage we have a future piece to slot in and replace Crosby.

We have 3 of our top 4 on the back end, Lane, Guhle, Rein. We still need that 4th piece to fit that group.

We can filled the bottom of the lineup in other ways.

Crosby puts us over the top IMO. These draft picks will have no room for at least 5ish years if we retain Laine. By then we will have recouped our draft capital in 27, 28 and 29.

Crosby is a distraction, aging, costly, and a media bomb ... you do not need him

 

[CzarDemidov]

I think Alexis Lafrenière can be a good buy-low option if the Rags decide to blow it up. He's underperforming under a crappy coach with a crappy team. If he's on the block we should consider it.

 

[Paradoxe]

I agree that 3 first round picks would be a mistake given his age.. but I also don't think he will cost that much, given his age - and his reputation. If he wants to be traded, he will likely pick the destination and Pittsburgh won't have a ton of negotiating power even if it is Crosby we're talking about. The poster suggesting 3 first round picks and Beck is a bit much.. but I would do something like a 1st, 2 2nds and Beck in a heart beat. Maybe even consider 2 first round picks and Beck. (I don't view Beck as highly as others. 3rd line centre at best in the NHL imo.)
We are close to the contending part of the rebuild. Our core is still young but entering their primes. We have stockpiled enough draft picks. It's time to let a few go to help this team in the now, not in the *maybe* 3-4 years.

We need to help the now and the next 5 years of Suzuki's prime. A guy like Crosby is a bit too much of a distraction

 

[waitin425]

Crosby is a distraction, aging, costly, and a media bomb ... you do not need him

Sorry...again I disagree. The greatest leader of this generation will add as opposed to subtract. I don't think we are going to find common ground here.

 

[waitin425]

I think Alexis Lafrenière can be a good buy-low option if the Rags decide to blow it up. He's underperforming under a crappy coach with a crappy team. If he's on the block we should consider it.

Count me curious. If we were looking to move on from Laine...he would be a perfect 2nd line LW. Could be magic with Demidov.

Wouldnt pay him to be a long term third liner.

He would have to be third line to start next year though...Unless youre moving Slaf down there.

2025/26 start

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Laf - Dvorak - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally

 

[Paradoxe]

Sorry...again I disagree. The greatest leader of this generation will add as opposed to subtract. I don't think we are going to find common ground here.

I'm really at the opposite end of the spectrum, so I agree to disagree. I hate the idea of bringing Crosby at all costs because some think he's what we need. Horvat, Trochek, ROR, and Stephenson are closer to what the Habs need. It's Suzuki's team, not Crosby's team ... see the difference I'm implying?

 

[CzarDemidov]

I'm really at the opposite end of the spectrum, so I agree to disagree. I hate the idea of bringing Crosby at all costs because some think he's what we need. Horvat, Trochek, ROR, and Stephenson are closer to what the Habs need. It's Suzuki's team, not Crosby's team ... see the difference I'm implying?

Suzuki wouldn't be so insecure as to be negatively affected by the addition of one of the best players in the history of the sport. Crosby is a model citizen too, not like he's a hot dog in any way.

 

[waitin425]

I'm really at the opposite end of the spectrum, so I agree to disagree. I hate the idea of bringing Crosby at all costs because some think he's what we need. Horvat, Trochek, ROR, and Stephenson are closer to what the Habs need. It's Suzuki's team, not Crosby's team ... see the difference I'm implying?

You're implying a power struggle so to speak. I get it. I want to protect Suzuki. I see Crosby doing just that though. Like Ray Bourque going to the Avs at the end of his career. Crosby will be a mentor and leader. I wouldnt fear a negative impact on Suzuki at all.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

We need to help the now and the next 5 years of Suzuki's prime. A guy like Crosby is a bit too much of a distraction

A distraction from what? From having the opposing teams who have only had to shut down Suzuki and now have to worry about Suzuki + one of the greatest players and leaders in the entire world? Yeah, I guess.

We have stockpiled plenty of picks. They can still look to acquire a younger future top 6 C to replace Crosby, while Hage continues to develop.

IF Crosby is open to a trade here, I guarantee you Suzuki himself will be pleading with Kent Hughes to make it happen.

 

[DAChampion]

I wouldn't trade what he's worth i'm the stick to the plan guy don't rush the rebuild unless a great deal comes up so a great deal for Crosby will insult all Penguins fans its better to go ufa if possible and yes Hague is still a ????? but i think he will be very good.

The problem with not rushing the rebuild is that every year of Suzuki's prime that the Habs fail to compete is a tragedy.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Crosby would be a fatal error.

Hard disagree.

Bringing him in accomplishes several things

1. Gives us the scoring center we desperately need.
2. Makes us immediate contenders. Do the math here, we'd have two number one lines
3. Becomes a mentor to younger players

Crosby will remain effective for at least the next three to four years. That gives us a long window to win a cup. Moreover, he provides a bridge for us to bring in and groom Hage.

No player guarantees a cup but with him we'd have two first lines. We already have a really good bottom six. Reinbacher is coming in, so that will help the D. Add in another RD for depth and we're in really, really good shape.

 

[CzarDemidov]

What about 1st (MTL 2025), 1st (CGY 2025), 1st (MTL 2026) + Anderson for Crosby -- it's still three futures, albeit from bottom-half of the draft + a cap balance to get rid of Anderson's onerous cap-hit (leaving only Gallagher's). I'm not sure Pens fans on HFBoards won't laugh this off but in reality trades are often more humble than what fans dream up.