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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

Scriptor said:
Just curious how you come to your conclusions.

This year, he has played more at LW than in other years, likely because they are going with wright and Beniers as the emerging Cs for the top-6 and because McCann's style as a power forward translates well to the wing. Also, because having McCann on the wing inflates the young Cs.

In 2023-2024, McCann took 307 F/Os in Seattle. In 2021-2022, he took 492 F/Os, also with Seattle. In 2019-20, McCann took 571 F/Os with Pittsburgh. In 2018-19, he took a total of 595 F/Os between playing for Florida and Pittsburgh. In 2017-18, he took 550 F/Os for Florida.

If that's not enough experience as a C, what is?

As for the quality of McCann in the dot, outside of 2017-18, when he had a F/O percentage of 38.5%, 8 years ago, his F/O percentage, when taking the amount of F/Os attributed to a player playing C, has been in the mid-40s, between 45% and 50%, something quite tolerable for a 2C.

I wish you would at least not make your grand statement categorical before you look closely at the context.
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So the theme is every year he takes less faceoffs and was moved to wing outright on a team with not great center depth? It means he's not great at the defensive side of playing center and is even worse than faceoffs.

This year he's 6th in faceoffs of the team, meaning he only takes them when his center is tossed out or they have injuries at C. Last year he was 5th, same situation. In 2022-23 when Seattle had depth he took 78 faceoffs all season. Yeah he took 492 in 2021-22, good for 5th again. For a guy playing in the top six he should be closer to 1000+. 2021 he only took 129 in Pittsburgh. So the last time he played center he was fourth on the Pens in faceoffs in 2019-2020. More because Crosby (and later Malkin) was injured than anything else.

So zero teams wanted him at center after seeing him play there and he has progressively lost all trust from his coaches at the position to the point where he is 100% a dedicated winger now. Absolutely not the guy I would target to play C. He's essentially Alex Galchenyuk in that regards (except Chucky was actually good on draws after a while). Florida traded him specifically because of how bad he was as a center when that's what they needed. He was an add-in for the Pens targetting Bjugstad to play center, and Florida added him in without a second thought. The Pens and Leafs both dumped him for free rather than use an expansion slot on him specifically because he's a winger who didn't contribute when they tried him at center but wasn't good enough to displace their top six wingers or commit any significant cap space to.
 
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Deebs said:
At a very cheap $5.1M contract for the next 4 years, I can't see Edmonton wanting to move him. He can keep sliding down the lineup as he ages without being a detriment to the team. Interesting name though.
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The McD & Bouchard extensions, plus Drai & Nurse's big deals, may make it impossible or at least highly impractical to keep both Hyman & RNH as 5M+ middle 6 contributors...

They don't have anyone else due raises anytime soon, but also dont really have any solid ELC/RFA players likely to become upgrades on their declining vets.

I think one or both of Hyman & RNH get moved for prospects/RFA talent in the next year or two (ironically, Holloway & Broberg types are exactly what Edm desperately need)
 
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Miller Time said:
The McD & Bouchard extensions, plus Drai & Nurse's big deals, may make it impossible or at least highly impractical to keep both Hyman & RNH as 5M+ middle 6 contributors...

They don't have anyone else due raises anytime soon, but also dont really have any solid ELC/RFA players likely to become upgrades on their declining vets.

I think one or both of Hyman & RNH get moved for prospects/RFA talent in the next year or two (ironically, Holloway & Broberg types are exactly what Edm desperately need)
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That's very possible. Their roster will change greatly next season with all the pending UFA's they have. They'll need an influx of cheaper players to fill out their bottom 6
 
Lockin17 said:
Love that lineup,
I would rather Bennet then Duchesne but i don't see him signing in MTL unless we overpay too much for too long.

But i am pretty sure Kapanen will make the lineup next year.. where do you put him ?

Also Mailloux will want some NHL games,, and he deserves it..
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If Kapanen beats out Heineman in camp, then he will make the team. Otherwise, there is just no space. He will have to spend a year in the ahl and will be among the first call ups in case of injuries.

Summer 2026 could have a lot of movements. Laine and Dach will need new contracts. Gallagher, Anderson, and Newhook will all have 1 year left on their contract, so could be moved. The prospects Beck, Kapanen, Roy, Xhekaj, etc. will have the opportunity to make the team in the 26-27 season.

Another full year in the ahl for Mailloux should be very helpful. Will be the first D called up in case of injuries.
 
Miller Time said:
The McD & Bouchard extensions, plus Drai & Nurse's big deals, may make it impossible or at least highly impractical to keep both Hyman & RNH as 5M+ middle 6 contributors...

They don't have anyone else due raises anytime soon, but also dont really have any solid ELC/RFA players likely to become upgrades on their declining vets.

I think one or both of Hyman & RNH get moved for prospects/RFA talent in the next year or two (ironically, Holloway & Broberg types are exactly what Edm desperately need)
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Both have nmc can't be moved unless they want to.
 
Miller Time said:
The McD & Bouchard extensions, plus Drai & Nurse's big deals, may make it impossible or at least highly impractical to keep both Hyman & RNH as 5M+ middle 6 contributors...

They don't have anyone else due raises anytime soon, but also dont really have any solid ELC/RFA players likely to become upgrades on their declining vets.

I think one or both of Hyman & RNH get moved for prospects/RFA talent in the next year or two (ironically, Holloway & Broberg types are exactly what Edm desperately need)
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Rnh is already cooked. I guess they're lucky he signed a cheap deal and he's only gone from vastly underpaid to very, very slightly overpaid.
 
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Seems more and more likely that Newhook will be the 3C next year.

CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-X-Demidov
Dach-Newhook-Anderson
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Beck/Kapanen/Roy

We'll likely have to trade away a forward or two as part of the package for that 2C
 
The Great Weal said:
Seems more and more likely that Newhook will be the 3C next year.

CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-X-Demidov
Dach-Newhook-Anderson
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Beck/Kapanen/Roy

We'll likely have to trade away a forward or two as part of the package for that 2C
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Hate that bottom6. No stamina, no athleticism.
 
The Great Weal said:
Seems more and more likely that Newhook will be the 3C next year.

CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-X-Demidov
Dach-Newhook-Anderson
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Beck/Kapanen/Roy

We'll likely have to trade away a forward or two as part of the package for that 2C
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we need a C with size and grit, that can throw hands and get a measly 20-25pts, Newhook sucks.
 
The Great Weal said:
Seems more and more likely that Newhook will be the 3C next year.

CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-X-Demidov
Dach-Newhook-Anderson
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Beck/Kapanen/Roy

We'll likely have to trade away a forward or two as part of the package for that 2C
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Off season wish list:

Sign Ehlers 6 x $7M

Sign or trade for a 2C with options:

Bennett 7 x $8M
Nelson 2 x $6M

Horvat 3 years left at $8.5M
Barzal ?? 3 years left at $9.15
W. Karlsson 2 years left at $5.9M
McCann 2 years left at $5.0 (not sure if he is a C)
Rossi ?? Small
EP $11.5M is scary

Vegas is close to cap in 2025 so Karlsson makes a lot of sense.

Might be able to trade Gally and Price contracts to SJ as they are about $20M under the floor for next year. Or maybe Price does us solid and retires after getting his July $5.5 check? Not sure if that would wipe out the $10.5 cap hit. We could have $21M to go shopping.

Need a 4th liner that can skate and hit like Tanev.

Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Demidov 2C Anderson
Laine Newhook Ehlers
Tanev/? Evans Heineman

Dach likely out at start of the year.
 
Bubba Gump said:
Off season wish list:

Sign Ehlers 6 x $7M

Sign or trade for a 2C with options:

Bennett 7 x $8M
Nelson 2 x $6M

Horvat 3 years left at $8.5M
Barzal ?? 3 years left at $9.15
W. Karlsson 2 years left at $5.9M
McCann 2 years left at $5.0 (not sure if he is a C)
Rossi ?? Small
EP $11.5M is scary

Vegas is close to cap in 2025 so Karlsson makes a lot of sense.

Might be able to trade Gally and Price contracts to SJ as they are about $20M under the floor for next year. Or maybe Price does us solid and retires after getting his July $5.5 check? Not sure if that would wipe out the $10.5 cap hit. We could have $21M to go shopping.

Need a 4th liner that can skate and hit like Tanev.

Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Demidov 2C Anderson
Laine Newhook Ehlers
Tanev/? Evans Heineman

Dach likely out at start of the year.
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Ehlers is neither signing for only for 7M or to play on the 3rd line.
 
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Bubba Gump said:
Off season wish list:

Sign Ehlers 6 x $7M

Sign or trade for a 2C with options:

Bennett 7 x $8M
Nelson 2 x $6M

Horvat 3 years left at $8.5M
Barzal ?? 3 years left at $9.15
W. Karlsson 2 years left at $5.9M
McCann 2 years left at $5.0 (not sure if he is a C)
Rossi ?? Small
EP $11.5M is scary

Vegas is close to cap in 2025 so Karlsson makes a lot of sense.

Might be able to trade Gally and Price contracts to SJ as they are about $20M under the floor for next year. Or maybe Price does us solid and retires after getting his July $5.5 check? Not sure if that would wipe out the $10.5 cap hit. We could have $21M to go shopping.

Need a 4th liner that can skate and hit like Tanev.

Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Demidov 2C Anderson
Laine Newhook Ehlers
Tanev/? Evans Heineman

Dach likely out at start of the year.
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No Ehlers.

Nelson isn't taking 2 years unless you're paying him like 10 mill per.

Can't imagine Horvat, or Barzal are dealt. Barzal plays more as a winger.

Karlsson is on a great deal, so he isn't getting moved

McCann could be an option.

Rossi is small. I'd entertain that if the Habs get some wingers with size and tenacity. Players who are tough and can play in the corner, so not Laine and honestly not Dlaf because he's waaaaaay too inconsistent with his play.

Huge f***ing pass on EP40
 
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I've previously suggested targeting McCann in a possible trade as he's an exceptionally skilled player who would instantly become our 2nd best forward only slightly behind Suzuki. I don't know why would you obsess over faceoff stats like it's the most important ability in a player. Even if you don't deploy him as a center, who cares? He's a defensively responsible player who is able to create offence both for his linemates with his playmaking ability, while also providing yet another exceptional finisher to this team. Unlike our two other great finishers however, McCann conveniently shoots from the left too.

Even if ideally you'd want a similarly talented centerman to play with Demidov next year, above all this team (and Demidov) needs skilled two-way players, a description that McCann clearly fits. The suggested price however (both of our firsts this year) is in my mind far too steep for player with just two more years under contract after this one. It's difficult to say what would Seattle want in return for one of their best offensive players, as I don't think they even know themselves are they rebuilding or just "retooling", whatever that means.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
No Ehlers.

Nelson isn't taking 2 years unless you're paying him like 10 mill per.

Can't imagine Horvat, or Barzal are dealt. Barzal plays more as a winger.

Karlsson is on a great deal, so he isn't getting moved

McCann could be an option.

Rossi is small. I'd entertain that if the Habs get some wingers with size and tenacity. Players who are tough and can play in the corner, so not Laine and honestly not Dlaf because he's waaaaaay too inconsistent with his play.

Huge f***ing pass on EP40
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Agree with everything except for McCann being an option at center as he is 6th in face offs taken with only 168.

Management will really have to brainstorm all summer to find a #2 C without giving the farm team or maybe just a stop gap for a couple of years.
 
BozoTheClown said:
Agree with everything except for McCann being an option at center as he is 6th in face offs taken with only 168.

Management will really have to brainstorm all summer to find a #2 C without giving the farm team or maybe just a stop gap for a couple of years.
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Over his career though he's taken thousands of faceoffs.




To throw my proposal into the ring...


Caufield (+) for Byfield(+)

Byfield does suck on the dot right now, but he's 22.
 
Bubba Gump said:
Off season wish list:

Sign Ehlers 6 x $7M

Sign or trade for a 2C with options:

Bennett 7 x $8M
Nelson 2 x $6M

Horvat 3 years left at $8.5M
Barzal ?? 3 years left at $9.15
W. Karlsson 2 years left at $5.9M
McCann 2 years left at $5.0 (not sure if he is a C)
Rossi ?? Small
EP $11.5M is scary

Vegas is close to cap in 2025 so Karlsson makes a lot of sense.

Might be able to trade Gally and Price contracts to SJ as they are about $20M under the floor for next year. Or maybe Price does us solid and retires after getting his July $5.5 check? Not sure if that would wipe out the $10.5 cap hit. We could have $21M to go shopping.

Need a 4th liner that can skate and hit like Tanev.

Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Demidov 2C Anderson
Laine Newhook Ehlers
Tanev/? Evans Heineman

Dach likely out at start of the year.
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Horvat as 6 years left @ $8.5m and Barzal as 6 years left at $9.15m.
 
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Fuonki said:
I've previously suggested targeting McCann in a possible trade as he's an exceptionally skilled player who would instantly become our 2nd best forward only slightly behind Suzuki. I don't know why would you obsess over faceoff stats like it's the most important ability in a player. Even if you don't deploy him as a center, who cares? He's a defensively responsible player who is able to create offence both for his linemates with his playmaking ability, while also providing yet another exceptional finisher to this team. Unlike our two other great finishers however, McCann conveniently shoots from the left too.

Even if ideally you'd want a similarly talented centerman to play with Demidov next year, above all this team (and Demidov) needs skilled two-way players, a description that McCann clearly fits. The suggested price however (both of our firsts this year) is in my mind far too steep for player with just two more years under contract after this one. It's difficult to say what would Seattle want in return for one of their best offensive players, as I don't think they even know themselves are they rebuilding or just "retooling", whatever that means.
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McCann is 6th in face offs taken with 168 and His career face offs win% is around .45

I think we should for a better player.
 
Boss Man Hughes said:
Nugent-Hopkins? He is mediocre.
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WTh? RNH often faces top defenders as him and Hyman are the most used with McDavid, again this year like the last 2 seasons. On top of that, Oilers have changed strategy and more often than not use McDavid to shutdown opposition when they have first change. RNH can do it all. Either play shutdown or exploitation and do it well. If used on a second line with Demidov and Laine, he'll be far better than mediocre.

Don't think Oilers would want to get rid of him anyway, so it's a moot point, but RNH isn't mediocre.
 
Fuonki said:
I've previously suggested targeting McCann in a possible trade as he's an exceptionally skilled player who would instantly become our 2nd best forward only slightly behind Suzuki. I don't know why would you obsess over faceoff stats like it's the most important ability in a player. Even if you don't deploy him as a center, who cares? He's a defensively responsible player who is able to create offence both for his linemates with his playmaking ability, while also providing yet another exceptional finisher to this team. Unlike our two other great finishers however, McCann conveniently shoots from the left too.

Even if ideally you'd want a similarly talented centerman to play with Demidov next year, above all this team (and Demidov) needs skilled two-way players, a description that McCann clearly fits. The suggested price however (both of our firsts this year) is in my mind far too steep for player with just two more years under contract after this one. It's difficult to say what would Seattle want in return for one of their best offensive players, as I don't think they even know themselves are they rebuilding or just "retooling", whatever that means.
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I like McCann but thing is he isnt considered as a center and has been more effective as a LW. We have already Caufield and Laine and honestly Slaf should be LW because he scores more on the left side. Then, having McCann could block Slaf so I would try another target. I dont want to reach another guy that we know as unconfortable as a center like we did previously for Dach and Newhook.
 
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