HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

Historically you just don't see these kinds of trades all that often. Jones for Johansen was an outlier, usually when a team is trading a good young piece the package ends up being a 1st, a veteranish player, and some prospects depending on the player's quality.

Of course there are centers out there I would trade Guhle for, but I just can't see there being a realistic fit. 1 for 1 deals of that type are extremely rare, nobody is giving us a Robert Thomas type for him where it would be a no-brainer, and we're not trading Guhle for a 29 year old either. The organization are going to (IMO correctly) value him too highly for it to make sense.
If they end up with say the 13th and 15th pick, def trade both picks for a young 2C on a team like Seattle, who have a lot of good ones. Habs cant draft a C at 13 or 15 and wait 3 years.
 
All-in for Dobson : Matheson, Mailloux, Roy, 1st 2025 (later one)
Sign Bennett, Duchene or Granlund for 3 years .. we need a versatile player who can play in all the situation
Trade Price after he got his last bonus to sign Dobson

We have 3 goods D in Hutson, Guhle and Reinbacher. The 2 last one can't play 20 games in a row without being injured. With Dobson we have 4 top 4 who can play between 20-25 minutes.

For the NY Islanders :
Matheson take the ice time of Dobson in short term
They add an offensive right d to replace Dobson in long term without being the same caliber
Adding J. Roy has a throw-in can be the deal breaker for P. Roy
The first pick will help them to rebuild, they are very old
They have the option to resign Matheson or trade him at the deadline for 1st and/or prospects

For Mtl :
Very costly in asset but it will be very hard to target an right elite d-man who fit the window better than Dobson. Doing the magic to fit him in the cap with the next raise of Hutson and Demidov will become an headache in the future but if Brisebois is able to be creative to manage his salary cap without many assets, Hughes can do the same with his hands full of assets. Matheson because of his value and the way he play, Mailloux we have no use for him, close to be a liability at even strength and with him its more a one man show than a team commitment; not my kind of d at all who make nobody better on the ice. If we keep them they will hurt us more than helping us in the long run, for me it's 2 dead weights and the reason I will try to trade both of them this summer when they still have value.
You ain't getting Dobson for scraps

Full stop, he's a number one two way D that's already hit 70 points and is in his mid 20s, RD.

Any trade for Dobson starts with Reinbacher and then some more
 
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Lundell is great guy to reach. They would probably like actual cheap NHL assets probably Evans, Mailloux and we need to add. Then they would resign Ekblad and Bennett.

I think they would ask for Evans and Carrier +
 
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I’d try and offer those two + Mailloux for Lundell
Would love for that to be a possibility. However, it looks like that kind of futures for a 2C right now would need to be made with a rebuilding team that happens to be deep at the position, whether that is SEA or the perpetually rebuilding Utah team, or another such team.

McCann is an excellent target as a 2C in Montreal, considering the production level he is providing with no more than 17 minutes a game.

It all depends how SEA looks to the future? If they are All-In with a Wright-Beniers top-6 tandem at C, McCann is the perfect C candidate for Montreal. however, McCann can also play wing and might not be available.

MON 1st rounder 2025 + CAL 1st rounder 2025 + Mailloux + 1 of Beck/Kapanen for McCann.

McCann is a genuine power forward that attacks the net and something Montreal could really use. With Demidov likely driving the play from the wing, having a scoring chance like McCann that will make opposing Ds conflate when he is on the ice in the O-zone can only open space for both Demidov and Laine to exploit.

On the PP, McCann is essentially what Slafkovsky should be/become and he could serve as a perfect example for the young winger.

Only problem is that McCann, at 5M (more than reasonable cost) is only signed for 2 more years. If he refuses to extend with Montreal, it would be paying way too much for his services.

The PP next season coud use the McCann touch:

Laine - Suzuki - McCann - Hutson - Demidov

Laine in the slot, McCann net front, Suzuki in the bumper role, Demidov all over the place and Hutson where Demidov isn't, but all over the place as well.

With Suzuki playing the entire PP, the second wave could look something like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky - Heineman - Reinbacher

Reinbacher would provide the booming shot from the point. Heineman has speed to cover from the blue line and a good shot as an option.

When in doubt about who can, McCann can.
 
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Would love for that to be a possibility. However, it looks like that kind of futures for a 2C right now would need to be made with a rebuilding team that happens to be deep at the position, whether that is SEA or the perpetually rebuilding Utah team, or another such team.

McCann is an excellent target as a 2C in Montreal, considering the production level he is providing with no more than 17 minutes a game.

It all depends how SEA looks to the future? If they are All-In with a Wright-Beniers top-6 tandem at C, McCann is the perfect C candidate for Montreal. however, McCann can also play wing and might not be available.

MON 1st rounder 2025 + CAL 1st rounder 2025 + Mailloux + 1 of Beck/Kapanen for McCann.

McCann is a genuine power forward that attacks the net and something Montreal could really use. With Demidov likely driving the play from the wing, having a scoring chance like McCann that will make opposing Ds conflate when he is on the ice in the O-zone can only open space for both Demidov and Laine to exploit.

On the PP, McCann is essentially what Slafkovsky should be/become and he could serve as a perfect example for the young winger.

Only problem is that McCann, at 5M (more than reasonable cost) is only signed for 2 more years. If he refuses to extend with Montreal, it would be paying way too much for his services.

The PP next season coud use the McCann touch:

Laine - Suzuki - McCann - Hutson - Demidov

Laine in the slot, McCann net front, Suzuki in the bumper role, Demidov all over the place and Hutson where Demidov isn't, but all over the place as well.

With Suzuki playing the entire PP, the second wave could look something like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky - Heineman - Reinbacher

Reinbacher would provide the booming shot from the point. Heineman has speed to cover from the blue line and a good shot as an option.

When in doubt about who can, McCann can.
McCann doesn't play center. He's a LW who takes draws when his center gets kicked out and does so terribly.
 
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Lundell is great guy to reach. They would probably like actual cheap NHL assets probably Evans, Mailloux and we need to add. Then they would resign Ekblad and Bennett.
Lundell is worth more than Evans, Mailloux and a 1st, IMO, but maybe that works. Evans replaces Lundell as 3C, provided Bennett is re-signed/extended. So that covers the hole created by losing Lundell, even if it doesn't replace the offense provided by that C.

Mailloux becomes an offensive RHD of the future and a 1st rounder adds some depth to potentially keep a Cup window open longer.

as the FLA GM, however, I would ask for Evans, Engström, best 1st round pick Montreal has in 2025, Pittsburgh 2nd round pick in 2025 and Heineman.

Overpay? Surely, but that is what I would realistically ask for if I were FLA GM. Clearly, Montreal is in dire need of a 2C and I would try to take advantage of that.

Bennett can also play wing and, worst comes to worst, Lundell at C and Bennett on the wing keeps the FLA roster at its best.
 
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If we don't make a trade for a young top-6 center, I think we'll sign Duchene this summer. It makes too much sense.

- Dallas likely won't be able to re-sign him
- Montreal is likely the place that interests Duchene the most. We were among the 2 finalists the last time Duchene was UFA.
- He has a clear spot at 2C with awesome wingers (Laine and Demidov). Duchene is also a lefty and he's good on faceoffs, which is a need on this team.
- Montreal is a playoff-caliber team now, so he will get a chance to win.
- We have the cap space. We can give him a 2-year contract. That will give us enough time to figure out if we have a future 2C in Hage, Dach, Kapanen, or Beck, or to acquire a good young top 6 center that fits well with this team.

Next season:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Newhook - Dach - Anderson
Heineman - Evans - Gallagher

Guhle - Hutson
Matheson - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Struble

Monty
Dobes
Love that lineup,
I would rather Bennet then Duchesne but i don't see him signing in MTL unless we overpay too much for too long.

But i am pretty sure Kapanen will make the lineup next year.. where do you put him ?

Also Mailloux will want some NHL games,, and he deserves it..
 
McCann doesn't play center. He's a LW who takes draws when his center gets kicked out and does so terribly.
Just curious how you come to your conclusions.

This year, he has played more at LW than in other years, likely because they are going with wright and Beniers as the emerging Cs for the top-6 and because McCann's style as a power forward translates well to the wing. Also, because having McCann on the wing inflates the young Cs.

In 2023-2024, McCann took 307 F/Os in Seattle. In 2021-2022, he took 492 F/Os, also with Seattle. In 2019-20, McCann took 571 F/Os with Pittsburgh. In 2018-19, he took a total of 595 F/Os between playing for Florida and Pittsburgh. In 2017-18, he took 550 F/Os for Florida.

If that's not enough experience as a C, what is?

As for the quality of McCann in the dot, outside of 2017-18, when he had a F/O percentage of 38.5%, 8 years ago, his F/O percentage, when taking the amount of F/Os attributed to a player playing C, has been in the mid-40s, between 45% and 50%, something quite tolerable for a 2C.

I wish you would at least not make your grand statement categorical before you look closely at the context.
 
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Love that lineup,
I would rather Bennet then Duchesne but i don't see him signing in MTL unless we overpay too much for too long.

But i am pretty sure Kapanen will make the lineup next year.. where do you put him ?
On my end, considering I don't think Dach will be a solution at any position going forward, I'd see:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Heineman - Newhook - Kapanen
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Matheson - Carrier
Guhle - Hutson
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Struble

Monty
Dobes

I think that Anderson - Evans - Gallagher might get more ice time than Heineman - Newhook - Kapanen, actually and I'd rather see Matheson-Carrier get more tougher minutes than Guhle-Hutson.

I also think that Hutson gets the off side minutes over Guhle. in either case, he's all over the place, so it doesn't matter as much where Hutson plays.
 
Nuge for our two first rounders and struble
Hopkins would be the perfect stop-gap C with 4 years remaining on his contract at a little over 5M. His two-way game and vision make him a perfect pivot for Laine and Demidov.

I'm not sure if Edmonton would make Nugent-Hopkins available, nor if they would be content to get futures for him, needing the offense he provides to balance out the production?

Considering the age of McDavid (28) and Draisaitl (29), I think that EDM would rather keep the veteran C/W, Nugent-Hopkins for the present cup window.
 
Nuge for our two first rounders and struble
At a very cheap $5.1M contract for the next 4 years, I can't see Edmonton wanting to move him. He can keep sliding down the lineup as he ages without being a detriment to the team. Interesting name though.
 
We don't need just about any 2C but ideally one larger/more athletic than Suzuki and with the opposite handedness.

That's right, we need Sidney Crosby.
 
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Hopkins would be the perfect stop-gap C with 4 years remaining on his contract at a little over 5M. His two-way game and vision make him a perfect pivot for Laine and Demidov.

I'm not sure if Edmonton would make Nugent-Hopkins available, nor if they would be content to get futures for him, needing the offense he provides to balance out the production?

Considering the age of McDavid (28) and Draisaitl (29), I think that EDM would rather keep the veteran C/W, Nugent-Hopkins for the present cup window.
Good response. But oil must still consider the future and two top15 picks and an improving smart and muscular young d would be tempting to them. If oil fail again in playoffs they might want decent first round picks right now, while mcjesus and drai still have 6 good years left.
 
Hopkins would be the perfect stop-gap C with 4 years remaining on his contract at a little over 5M. His two-way game and vision make him a perfect pivot for Laine and Demidov.

I'm not sure if Edmonton would make Nugent-Hopkins available, nor if they would be content to get futures for him, needing the offense he provides to balance out the production?

Considering the age of McDavid (28) and Draisaitl (29), I think that EDM would rather keep the veteran C/W, Nugent-Hopkins for the present cup window.
Maybe but not for 2 1st rounder and Struble. A 1st and Mailloux is a fair offer.
 

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