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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

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Ozmodiar said:
He’s a player they trust. The latter half of the season they’ve been playing him almost 20 minutes / game. Maybe that doesn’t jibe with your stat watching but Francis wouldn’t let that happen if he wasn’t doing something right.

Meanwhile, Guhle, who I like, will be the 3rd D after Hutson and Rein. Also has had issues with availability.
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Yeah.. the Kraken are 27th in the league. It doesn't mean much that he's playing 20 minutes a night there.

The fact that you like Reinbacher and Hutson more than him doesn't change anything about his value and his play. Guhle missed 10 games last season and this year had a fluke injury from a skate cut.

Who's replacing Guhle in the line up if you trade him? 30 yo Matheson? Huge downgrade in terms of play and youth. And on top of that, you add a middling center that costs 7M a year.

If you like him that much, it's all good, but from where I'm sitting there's absolutely no added value in this trade, no matter how I look at it.
 
Ozmodiar said:
He’s a player they trust. The latter half of the season they’ve been playing him almost 20 minutes / game. Maybe that doesn’t jibe with your stat watching but Francis wouldn’t let that happen if he wasn’t doing something right.

Meanwhile, Guhle, who I like, will be the 3rd D after Hutson and Rein. Also has had issues with availability.
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Guhle will be the 3rd D yes but not by much, if we consider the TOI. Reinbacher will be a 25 minutes D but Hutson and Guhle will play around 23 minutes each.

Guhle will be on the ice with Reinbacher when we need to keep a lead and Hutson will be when we need a goal.
 
Egresch said:
There is zero similarity between us and Philly. We are 2nd youngest team in the league now. You replace Savard, Dvorak, Armia, Pezzetta, Anderson with Reinbacher, Beck, Demidov, Kapanen, Cuylle and you are geting a better team. It would need Suzuki and Hutson long-term injury to make us lottery team.
Our probability of McKenna is like 0,1%.
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The team has been super healthy though. One injury to Suzuki and/or Hutson and you're a completely different team. I know this applies to most teams but until we get a legit 2C this is a big problem
 
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Benstheman said:
Guhle will be the 3rd D yes but not by much, if we consider the TOI. Reinbacher will be a 25 minutes D but Hutson and Guhle will play around 23 minutes each.

Guhle will be on the ice with Reinbacher when we need to keep a lead and Hutson will be when we need a goal.
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Good point. I think Guhle can be an important piece for us moving forward.

However, this is the type of decision they’ll have to make if they want a long-term solution at 2C. (22-25yr old signed LT)

I think they’ll just bridge with a Schenn or ROR type and wait on Hage or another to develop.
 
Victoire HuGo said:
The team has been super healthy though. One injury to Suzuki and/or Hutson and you're a completely different team. I know this applies to most teams but until we get a legit 2C this is a big problem
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We've been fortunate our top line and Hutson have been healthy, but we've also had injuries which impacted the team especially with the timing of when the injuries occurred.

Laine has missed 30 games - the team has went 25-15-6 since he came back.
Guhle has missed 26 games - on a weaker D, he is a huge loss since he is our best defensive D.
Heineman has missed 15 games - was playing the best hockey of his career and hasn't been the same since coming back. That line was a huge part of our December hot streak and right after he got hurt the team collapsed before the break.
Reinbacher missed most of the season - if he didn't get hurt there is the chance he maybe was called up during the year and could've taken Savard's spot who has been a weak spot on our D.

Anderson has been playing hurt and Dach is also out for the year.
 
Victoire HuGo said:
The team has been super healthy though. One injury to Suzuki and/or Hutson and you're a completely different team. I know this applies to most teams but until we get a legit 2C this is a big problem
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In my scenario, we would still have money for 2C. Trade Anderson for future considerations -5.5M. Offer sheet Cuylle +6.8M. Net effect +1.3M for next couple seasons leaves enough money. If we acquire 2C, McKenna is just a fiction.
 
Egresch said:
One of the surprising moves in the summer might be offer sheet for Will Cuyle:
- It is obvious we need more size and physicality
- Our relationship with Rangers is bad anyway, so who cares. They have 10M cap space with 10F, 5D, 2G signed. Cuylle and KA Miller being top RFAs
- 4.58M AAV would be matched, so we need to go to upper tier 6,8Mx2years which requires compensation of 1st and 3rd
- 2026 draft is also described as not very deep, assuming our organic growth, we should draft around 20. That would be worth it.
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6.8M for two years for a currently 40-point project as a forward/winger? The term might not be too long, but the precedent as a Cap hit rocks the boat quite a lot.

Paying a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder as compensation, even if it's a 20th OA pick isn't too bad of a payment.

You just have to wonder if all of Cuylle's potential will shine through by the end of those two years, or if we will be extending a 40-point forward, still, at that point? Still, 40 points and nearly 20 goals at 15 minutes of TOI a night is not a bad production for a 3rd liner.

Heineman - Hage - Cuylle as the makings of an annoying and productive 3rd line, strong on the forecheck and with definite offensive upside.
 
For a 2nd line center, if Nashville was willing to retain 25%, would Jonathan Marchessault be a viable candidate? At ~25% retained, Jonathan would be 4M and I think would fit in well as a placeholder under some of our younger guys (Hage and Beck, etc) develop and are able to cement themselves as a 2C.

Nashville is kind of a crap shoot right now, and are near the bottom of the standings, so I could see Trotz either do a full tear down rebuild, like he should have done, or do an on the fly re tweak. Would our first and a prospect be enough? This is also assuming that we are not on Marchessault's 15 team no trade list.
 
Ozmodiar said:
He’s a player they trust. The latter half of the season they’ve been playing him almost 20 minutes / game. Maybe that doesn’t jibe with your stat watching but Francis wouldn’t let that happen if he wasn’t doing something right.

Meanwhile, Guhle, who I like, will be the 3rd D after Hutson and Rein. Also has had issues with availability.
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Despite having stalled in production, Beniers is still perceived as a potential franchise Center for Seattle. He's still way ahead of Wright on the depth chart.

It would take more than Guhle, even, IMHO, to snatch Beniers from Seattle. They might have to give Guhle at D, something for the short term as a potential C (Newhook) and a replacement in the medium term (Hage).

Otherwise, Guhle and two mid first rounders if SEA feels they can tank a bit more and try to snatch McKenna and another top talent in the next two drafts.

Beniers is only 22 and it goes with the line mates you have as well.

As a C between Laine and Demidov, I'd expect at least 60 points. Beniers, on top of that, is the complete package and an asset defensively, on top of having all the offensive tools to excel in that aspect of the game as well.

Beniers also has a high compete level. Plus he wins more puck battles than he loses. He is not 'soft'.

Would I give the two first rounders AND Guhle for Beniers?

Considering he's signed at 7.142M until the end of Caufield's contract (in the range of our set Cap structure for that type of player) and he has a lot of upside to reach still, I'd consider it, for sure.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Laine - Beniers - Demidov

to start...

...Then:

Caufield - Suzuki - Demidov
Slafkovsky - Beniers - Laine

On D, for the next 5 years, after Reinbacher gets accustomed to the NHL tempo and Mailloux graduates to the NHL, plus both Matheson and Carrier get extended:

Hutson - Reinbacher
Matheson - Carrier
Xhekaj - Mailloux
 
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I am very intrigued by Elmer Solderblom on the Dead Things… if available / non prohibitive cost of acquisition as top-6 option on W
 
vokiel said:
Call me old school, but I'd like to see Demidov play all season with Josh Anderson. That would be 3rd line, not top 6. So we may want to simply look for an upgrade on Dvorak, which would be way simpler and way shorter term. He can always swing by the top 6 once he's got the Power Donkey spirit within him. :sarcasm:
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Scriptor said:
6.8M for two years for a currently 40-point project as a forward/winger? The term might not be too long, but the precedent as a Cap hit rocks the boat quite a lot.
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Of course, 6.8M is overpayment, but that is the principle of offer sheet. You have to go big in order to be successful.
 
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Egresch said:
There is zero similarity between us and Philly. We are 2nd youngest team in the league now. You replace Savard, Dvorak, Armia, Pezzetta, Anderson with Reinbacher, Beck, Demidov, Kapanen, Cuylle and you are geting a better team. It would need Suzuki and Hutson long-term injury to make us lottery team.
Our probability of McKenna is like 0,1%.
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It's also the first season we haven't been decimated by injuries. That could happen easily again. Montembeault is getting exposed and we could be sunk by goaltending.

Never count your chickens until they've hatched. Being premature with a first round pick offersheet on a non transformational player is an easy way to get burned.
 
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Adriatic said:
Caught a few Islanders game lately and I must say I don't really like Dobson's game. Something about him is off to me. No way is he gonna be worth the 8-9 million he's gonna get. Not a play driver in my book.
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Everyone whose available for trade will have "something off" about them which is why they are available to be traded. The question is whether that something is fixable in the right environment, and whether we are that right environment.
 
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Can the Habs pay to trade away Gally this summer? Is there precedent to such a player being traded on that contract?

-Mailloux+Gally+3rd for future considerations

-Beck/Kapanen+2nd+Engstrom for Sid

-4x 1st for Dobsons offersheet

Matheson traded away for capspace and future assets that allows us to spend assets on Dobsons acquisition

With Gally, Matheson and the projected cap, it would give us 22.88 millions to play with.

Price's contract secures Lanes in 26-27.
~10.5m for Dobson
8.7 for Sid
3.6 of cap for Heineman, Struble, Dobie, +Rookies

Something along the lines of:
Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
Demidov-Crosby-Newhook
Laine-Dach-Roy
Heineman-Evans-Anderson
Flo/Tuch/Beck/Kapanen

Guhle-Dobson
Hutson-
AX-
Fill the blanks with Carrier, Struble, Reinbacher

Monty/Dobes

A lot of moves. Tight on the cap. This gives the Habs a legit shot at being contenders though, and Sid is excellent to develop Demidov and honestly, everyone.

We get to keep some future buying power with the Matheson trade (a 2nd or maybe even a low first), we keep Hage, Kapanen, Flo, Roy, Reinbacher, we keep Calgarys 1st.

Potential of moving Andy and Prices contract for more effective cap space too?

Suzuki, Slaf, Cole, Evans, Newhook, Laine, Dach, Roy, Heine, Andy, Guhle, Hutson, Carrier, AX, Strubs, Monty and Dobes would be returning players.18/22 players would be coming back. Dvo, Matheson, Savard and Gally are a lot of leadership and room impact to lose but youre replacing that with Sid, which I think buffers the non-negligible room loss.

If Sid isnt available Id look at ROR

If Dobson isnt available Id look at Ekblad, Andersson or Pionk, if its too expensive, keep Matheson one more year and see if DR is ready for primetime.
 
LaP said:
Can they? yes. Will they? no.

They'll wait another year and hope he plays like this year and then retain 50% when there's gonna be one year remaining in the summer of 2026.
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Id much rather trade him now and lose inconsequential assets like Harris/2nd, if his cap is needed to add players that is.
 
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