HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[TheBuriedHab]

Seattle are loaded on D??

Hey, they can barely find Cale Fleury playing time. It's a tough D core to crack.

 

[waitin425]

C'mon now. Uncle Lou may be senile, but he's not that senile to not instantly match that. Besides that, no way Dobson sign for 7m when Jakob ''Watermelon'' Chychrun got 9m.​

I was offering 8 mil for 7 years. good comparable. 7 years. 9 mil

 

[Ozmodiar]

This will probably bring the pitchforks out but I see a Guhle for Matty Berniers swap happening in the summer.

This one’s crossed my mind before.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Lundell probably not going anywhere.
More likely to get a promotion.

 

[CHfan1]

Offersheet Dobson?

7 x 8

Cost is 1st, 2nd and 3rd

Guhle - Dobson
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

Discuss

The compensation for that would be 2 1st-round picks, 1 2nd-round pick, and 1 3rd-round pick as it’s based off the lesser of the term of the contract or 5 years. Since the contract above is for 7 years it would be $56/5 = $11.2 million putting into the higher offer sheet compensation category.

I also highly doubt Dobson would sign that contract as I think he can get more with the cap going up. If Montreal was going to offer sheet Dobson they would have to overpay him for the Islanders not to match.

Offer sheets work better when teams identify players that haven’t broken out or are under utilized with their current team, like Holloway or Broberg.

 

[Treb]

I was offering 8 mil for 7 years. good comparable. 7 years. 9 mil

With the growing cap, Dobson is not going for only 8 millions. Probably going to be closer to 10 millions.

 

[Scriptor]

Perhaps, I'd be hesitant to trade him as well, but it seems to me he'd be wasted on the 3rd line if Bennet re-signs. We'll see what happens.

Panthers have some cap issues that need serious consideration.

Hughes said they're willing to over pay for the right fit, there's no better fit imo. Maybe we make an offer they can't refuse, plus they get their cap worked out.

I like the idea because Florida doesn't need bodies back, they'd be a team that would actually prefer futures in a deal like this. Something we're flush in.

Have to disagree. Florida wants to win now and would need a replacement 3C, plus a reason to actually get rid of Lundell.

Would it be an upgrade elsewhere and a replacement 3C, or a replacement 3C plus futures?

Guhle + Newhook = Upgrade elsewhere + replacement 3C

Newhook + one of Beck or Kapanen + CAL 1st rounder in 2025 + Pittsburgh 2nd rounder in 2025 = replacement 3C + futures.

Overpay? Maybe, but need to make it worthwhile to trade Lundell.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Seattle are not loaded at D. They are loaded at center. Berniers, Wright, Catton, McCann, Stephenson.

They have a bunch of journeyman D right now. Vince Dunn, Montour, Larsson, Oleksiak.

Ryker Evans is the only interesting young D they have but he's undersized and more of a transition D.

Montour is journeyman? Must have missed the memo.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Demidov won't start on Suzuki's wing, but he will play there for most of the next decade, so the top 6 center we are looking to add doesn't need to mesh specifically well with Demidov.

 

[vokiel]

Call me old school, but I'd like to see Demidov play all season with Josh Anderson. That would be 3rd line, not top 6. So we may want to simply look for an upgrade on Dvorak, which would be way simpler and way shorter term. He can always swing by the top 6 once he's got the Power Donkey spirit within him.

 

[Scintillating10]

They do if teams are able to identify RFA players that haven’t broken out yet or/and are be under utilized by their team like Holloway was. When I see players who fans on this board want to offer sheet it’s usually the opposite (players who have had some great season(s) and are a key part of their current team). Then teams would not only have to overpay (salary wise) to get that player, the offer sheet compensation involves multiple 1st round picks (which isn’t a great idea for a team still going through a rebuild).

Can also be used to help you in other ways. I would off sheet Knies just because Leafs be rival. Make them pay 9.5m, cut down their future caproom

 

[Scriptor]

Demidov won't start on Suzuki's wing, but he will play there for most of the next decade, so the top 6 center we are looking to add doesn't need to mesh specifically well with Demidov.

No, you're right. He should be good enough to mesh with anyone.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Demidov won't start on Suzuki's wing, but he will play there for most of the next decade, so the top 6 center we are looking to add doesn't need to mesh specifically well with Demidov.

I could see him being unreal with Suzuki, but I could also see him being kept on the 2nd line because he's the only other forward on the team that's capable of driving his own line. No offense to Slaf or Caufield, but neither guy has the talent to drive their own line.

 

[Runner77]

I'd just be happy if Demidov makes it here at the end of his contractual obligations in Russia.

The rest is gravy.

 

[Egresch]

One of the surprising moves in the summer might be offer sheet for Will Cuyle:
- It is obvious we need more size and physicality
- Our relationship with Rangers is bad anyway, so who cares. They have 10M cap space with 10F, 5D, 2G signed. Cuylle and KA Miller being top RFAs
- 4.58M AAV would be matched, so we need to go to upper tier 6,8Mx2years which requires compensation of 1st and 3rd
- 2026 draft is also described as not very deep, assuming our organic growth, we should draft around 20. That would be worth it.

 

[DAChampion]

One of the surprising moves in the summer might be offer sheet for Will Cuyle:
- It is obvious we need more size and physicality
- Our relationship with Rangers is bad anyway, so who cares. They have 10M cap space with 10F, 5D, 2G signed. Cuylle and KA Miller being top RFAs
- 4.58M AAV would be matched, so we need to go to upper tier 6,8Mx2years which requires compensation of 1st and 3rd
- 2026 draft is also described as not very deep, assuming our organic growth, we should draft around 20. That would be worth it.

6.8 million/year for a third line LW?

You say that the Rangers would match 4.58 million/year, but if that's more than they otherwise pay, offer it to just to harm them.

 

[Egresch]

6.8 million/year for a third line LW?

You say that the Rangers would match 4.58 million/year, but if that's more than they otherwise pay, offer it to just to harm them.

Right, he is playing 3rd line minutes, but he just turned 23 and is on pace for 44 points. He leads the team with +10 and is 2nd in whole league in hits among forwards. That is like Tom Wilson level who is signed at 6.5M.
You promote him to 2nd line minutes and he could be a physical 60 pts winger who plays PP and PK. We can extend Laine a have him as 3rd line PP specialist.

 

[bcv]

This one’s crossed my mind before.

Beniers hasn’t progressed in two years and Guhle is a 23 yo top pairing Dman. It would be a terrible trade for the Habs.

 

[WeThreeKings]

One of the surprising moves in the summer might be offer sheet for Will Cuyle:
- It is obvious we need more size and physicality
- Our relationship with Rangers is bad anyway, so who cares. They have 10M cap space with 10F, 5D, 2G signed. Cuylle and KA Miller being top RFAs
- 4.58M AAV would be matched, so we need to go to upper tier 6,8Mx2years which requires compensation of 1st and 3rd
- 2026 draft is also described as not very deep, assuming our organic growth, we should draft around 20. That would be worth it.

Philly narrowly missed the playoffs last year and now they're a lottery team. You don't trade unprotected firsts or tie them up in offer sheets for non lottery level talents.

Rebuilds are very rarely a straight upward pointing arrow. There's also a draft lottery.

Imagine giving up McKenna for Cuylle?

Beniers hasn’t progressed in two years and Guhle is a 23 yo top pairing Dman. It would be a terrible trade for the Habs.

Amen.

 

[DAChampion]

Right, he is playing 3rd line minutes, but he just turned 23 and is on pace for 44 points. He leads the team with +10 and is 2nd in whole league in hits among forwards. That is like Tom Wilson level who is signed at 6.5M.
You promote him to 2nd line minutes and he could be a physical 60 pts winger who plays PP and PK. We can extend Laine a have him as 3rd line PP specialist.

I applaud your creativity.

In general, I think that predatory offer sheets against conference rivals should be used more often.

Particularly as it's allegedly hard to trade within the conference.

Look what St Louis did to the Oilers.

 

[DAChampion]

Philly narrowly missed the playoffs last year and now they're a lottery team. You don't trade unprotected firsts or tie them up in offer sheets for non lottery level talents.

Rebuilds are very rarely a straight upward pointing arrow. There's also a draft lottery.

Imagine giving up McKenna for Cuylle?



Amen.

Its 4.58 million/year for a second round pick, which will rise next year.

Is there a conference or a division rival with an RFA that the Habs could force an overpayment to via offersheet?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Its 4.58 million/year for a second round pick, which will rise next year.

Is there a conference or a division rival with an RFA that the Habs could force an overpayment to via offersheet?

Unless i misunderstood, the post was advocating for going up to a 1st and 2nd compensation.

I'd be interested in going as high into the 2nd round compensation as possible but not with an unprotected first.

 

[DAChampion]

I'd be interested in going as high into the 2nd round compensation as possible but not with an unprotected first.

I think that's the best approach for the next couple years.

 

[Egresch]

Philly narrowly missed the playoffs last year and now they're a lottery team. You don't trade unprotected firsts or tie them up in offer sheets for non lottery level talents.

Rebuilds are very rarely a straight upward pointing arrow. There's also a draft lottery.

Imagine giving up McKenna for Cuylle?

There is zero similarity between us and Philly. We are 2nd youngest team in the league now. You replace Savard, Dvorak, Armia, Pezzetta, Anderson with Reinbacher, Beck, Demidov, Kapanen, Cuylle and you are geting a better team. It would need Suzuki and Hutson long-term injury to make us lottery team.
Our probability of McKenna is like 0,1%.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Beniers hasn’t progressed in two years and Guhle is a 23 yo top pairing Dman. It would be a terrible trade for the Habs.

He’s a player they trust. The latter half of the season they’ve been playing him almost 20 minutes / game. Maybe that doesn’t jibe with your stat watching but Francis wouldn’t let that happen if he wasn’t doing something right.

Meanwhile, Guhle, who I like, will be the 3rd D after Hutson and Rein. Also has had issues with availability.