HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[waitin425]

I was literally day dreaming about acquiring Crosby and came here to see tons of chatter about Crosby. Love it.

78 points in 70 games this year. 11th in scoring. He has at least 2 years left and like someone else said could probably go for 2 more after that. Trade for him this off-season and get him for 38 through 41 season, at which point we should expect retirement.

Obviously Pittsburgh would have to be okay with trading an aging out generational talent and triggering their rebuild phase.

But, what is in it for Sid? Would he put us over the top to compete for a Cup? I think he most definitely would. It would be an iconic ending to an iconic career to bring a cup back to Montreal after 32+ years. Is the allure of his childhood team enough for grown man Sid to want to experience it? That is an unknown. Other fans of other teams would scoff at this suggestion, and although his legacy is secure, bringing a cup back to Montreal is one of the only places he could further his legacy.

So what would it cost, and what would we be willing to part with to get it done. My personal limit is quite high, as I believe he would put us into the elite teams of the NHL.

Owen Beck + Logan Mailloux + 2 x 2025 NHL 1st rounders + 2026 1st rounder (conditional top 10)

Some of you will think that is an overpay....but I don't think it is.

Beck = 3rd line centre - with slight chance to rise to 2nd line
Mailloux = bottom pair RD with slight chance to rise to top 4
2025 picks = currently mid teens
2026 pick = I believe this is 26-32

Itll hurt for sure. But with our young core coming along and Hage still in the pipeline, I believe we can afford to sell these pieces.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Crosby - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally

Hutson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

Monty
Dobes

That is a cup contending team for the next 3-4 years.

Hage moves into the lineup when Dach is done and eventually takes #2 when Sid retires.

Build the statue NOW!!!

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Zegras I agree
EP.....not sure I would agree.

The reason is pretty much.......Dubois.
I mean, I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole.....but his game in Washington so far is making me think that I might have been wrong on that one.

I'm still not entirely out on Dach but all I can think about is with who Demidov will play next year

Dubois would make better sense than EP

EP fluked on a great season , hes injured often overpaid and soft as hell.
He sounds like the type of guy that cries when he kills a mosquito by accident

 

[InsideLaineBOOM]

Dubois would make better sense than EP

EP fluked on a great season , hes injured often overpaid and soft as hell.
He sounds like the type of guy that cries when he kills a mosquito by accident

He also cries when a mosquito stings him.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Winning also solves a lot of media problems.

Or managing expectations and managing media.

There seems to be a lot more rumours out of Vancouver the last few years than other markets, including places like Toronto and Montreal.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Owen Beck + Logan Mailloux + 2 x 2025 NHL 1st rounders + 2026 1st rounder (conditional top 10)

Some of you will think that is an overpay....but I don't think it is.

I don't think it's an overpay, it objectively is an overpayment.

I get the desire of wanting Crosby but you have to think realistically. We're in year 3 of a rebuild and arguably our 2 best players prospects(Demidov+Hutson) are still 5 years away from entering their primes. Moving FIVE 1st round picks in value is an absolutely insane proposal. Like it or not he's going to fall off a cliff in the very near future. Even for a true contender like Colorado I'd say five 1sts is insane value to pay, for a rebuilding team it'd be even more ludicrous to give up.

 

[ExReHabs]

Or managing expectations and managing media.

There seems to be a lot more rumours out of Vancouver the last few years than other markets, including places like Toronto and Montreal.

Montreal's current ownership has really muzzled the media, I don't think they're a threat to players any more. Only the most vulnerable players like Laine get any grief.

 

[Milhouse40]

Dubois would make better sense than EP

EP fluked on a great season , hes injured often overpaid and soft as hell.
He sounds like the type of guy that cries when he kills a mosquito by accident

Not like Dubois is the toughest nail in the box either......and EP missed 10 games in in the last 4 seasons, not sure where you take that he's often injured.

Just think that many their opinion of EP on this season alone and forget about the rest.

A line with Laine - EP - Demidov to back the line Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield to start next year would drastically improve this team.

But he is overpaid and he's having a terrible season.......but if he had another great season of 90-100pts, there wouldn't be any talk of him being available.....

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Not like Dubois is the toughest nail in the box either......and EP missed 10 games in in the last 4 seasons, not sure where you take that he's often injured.

Just think that many their opinion of EP on this season alone and forget about the rest.

A line with Laine - EP - Demidov to back the line Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield to start next year would drastically improve this team.

But he is overpaid and he's having a terrible season.......but if he had another great season of 90-100pts, there wouldn't be any talk of him being available.....

11.5m

It's like the year Domi got 70 points. A damn fluke

 

[Treb]

I personally have a lot of hope that come this off season, Dubas begs Crosby to accept a trade

Pens need to tank and be in the convo for McKenna and Dupont and trading Crosby drastically helps their odds

Crosby will say no.

McDavid and Draisatl together are a more realistic possibility than Crosby.

 

[McGees]

Regardless, he complained about the media in Vancouver.. you can't acquire him if he can't handle that.

yes, you just gotta buy him ear muffs and cancel his internet.

 

[sampollock]

yes, you just gotta buy him ear muffs and cancel his internet.

LOL

 

[waitin425]

I don't think it's an overpay, it objectively is an overpayment.

I get the desire of wanting Crosby but you have to think realistically. We're in year 3 of a rebuild and arguably our 2 best players prospects(Demidov+Hutson) are still 5 years away from entering their primes. Moving FIVE 1st round picks in value is an absolutely insane proposal. Like it or not he's going to fall off a cliff in the very near future. Even for a true contender like Colorado I'd say five 1sts is insane value to pay, for a rebuilding team it'd be even more ludicrous to give up.

Do you think Crosby makes us a contender? That is the ultimate basis of my argument. I think he does, and hence why I'd do the trade.

Also, if 5 years (2030) is when we get peak Demidov and Reinbacher.....we will at that time have the following players still 31 years and younger.

Suzuki - 31
Caufield - 29
Guhle - 28
Slaf - 26
Hutson - 26
Reinbacher - 25
Fowler - 25
Demidov - 24
Hage - 24
2027 1st - 21
2028 1st - 20
2029 1st - 19
2030 1st - 18
(I traded 25 1sts and the 26 1st for Crosby)

Granted by 2030 those picks from 2027 on may not be ready ... but our young core is established for the next 5 years IMO. They will all be still in their prime in 2030. I think Suzuki will be a longevity guy.

Let's say by 2034 Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle are all slowing down. By then 2027, 28, 29, 30 drafts picks are making their spots.

I don't see your arguments. Now is the time to sell draft capital.

The only argument is that we sell it for different pieces and not Crosby. maybe less of a 2C and a top 4RD

 

[BergevinBurner]

Do you think Crosby makes us a contender? That is the ultimate basis of my argument. I think he does, and hence why I'd do the trade.

Also, if 5 years (2030) is when we get peak Demidov and Reinbacher.....we will at that time have the following players still 31 years and younger.

Suzuki - 31
Caufield - 29
Guhle - 28
Slaf - 26
Hutson - 26
Reinbacher - 25
Fowler - 25
Demidov - 24
Hage - 24
2027 1st - 21
2028 1st - 20
2029 1st - 19
2030 1st - 18
(I traded 25 1sts and the 26 1st for Crosby)

Granted by 2030 those picks from 2027 on may not be ready ... but our young core is established for the next 5 years IMO. They will all be still in their prime in 2030. I think Suzuki will be a longevity guy.

Let's say by 2034 Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle are all slowing down. By then 2027, 28, 29, 30 drafts picks are making their spots.

I don't see your arguments. Now is the time to sell draft capital.

The only argument is that we sell it for different pieces and not Crosby. maybe less of a 2C and a top 4RD

I don't even think McDavid would make our current roster a true contender. I don't see us being a cup threat until guys like Slaf, Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle and Demidov are starting to approach their primes in a few years.

Adding a Crosby could help us win a series or 2 potentially over the next 2 seasons, but I just don't think we're ready to make a serious run at the cup yet. I'd much rather move those assets for a player that'll still be with us in 3-4 years when all our young guys are either in their prime or entering it.

 

[waitin425]

I don't even think McDavid would make our current roster a true contender. I don't see us being a cup threat until guys like Slaf, Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle and Demidov are starting to approach their primes in a few years.

Adding a Crosby could help us win a series or 2 potentially over the next 2 seasons, but I just don't think we're ready to make a serious run at the cup yet. I'd much rather move those assets for a player that'll still be with us in 3-4 years when all our young guys are either in their prime or entering it.

Fair argument and clearly where our positions diverge.

I think he gets us over the top beginning as early as next year, and you don't. Just where we agree to disagree.

 

[Runner77]

Do you think Crosby makes us a contender? That is the ultimate basis of my argument. I think he does, and hence why I'd do the trade.

Also, if 5 years (2030) is when we get peak Demidov and Reinbacher.....we will at that time have the following players still 31 years and younger.

Suzuki - 31
Caufield - 29
Guhle - 28
Slaf - 26
Hutson - 26
Reinbacher - 25
Fowler - 25
Demidov - 24
Hage - 24
2027 1st - 21
2028 1st - 20
2029 1st - 19
2030 1st - 18
(I traded 25 1sts and the 26 1st for Crosby)

Granted by 2030 those picks from 2027 on may not be ready ... but our young core is established for the next 5 years IMO. They will all be still in their prime in 2030. I think Suzuki will be a longevity guy.

Let's say by 2034 Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle are all slowing down. By then 2027, 28, 29, 30 drafts picks are making their spots.

I don't see your arguments. Now is the time to sell draft capital.

The only argument is that we sell it for different pieces and not Crosby. maybe less of a 2C and a top 4RD

If Dubas says no to Crosby, would 38 year old Malkin be a good option?

 

[LesCactus]

If Dubas says no to Crosby, would 38 year old Malkin be a good option?

Malkin would be interesting, because I think Pittsburgh is eager to offload him and he could end up being cheap. Plus he’d be good to have around for Demidov.

 

[waitin425]

If Dubas says no to Crosby, would 38 year old Malkin be a good option?

For less of a package then Id sell Crosby....Id consider it.

Not sure Malkin has 4 years like Crosby. It's gonna hit him quicker.

 

[Sorinth]

Do you think Crosby makes us a contender? That is the ultimate basis of my argument. I think he does, and hence why I'd do the trade.

Which is a more valid reason then trying to claim the proposal isn't an overpayment. Overpaying for something can be the right thing to do but you should focus your arguments on why it's worth it to overpay for Crosby.

I wouldn't go nearly as high as you did, but I'd still be willing to give up quite a bit for Crosby. But it's worth noting that one of the main benefits of Crosby is the culture aspect, where we are hoping Crosby rubs off on the young guys like Demidov. But it's questionable if it's worth overpaying for that simply because it kind of looks like the team already has the right mindset/culture.

 

[waitin425]

Which is a more valid reason then trying to claim the proposal isn't an overpayment. Overpaying for something can be the right thing to do but you should focus your arguments on why it's worth it to overpay for Crosby.

I wouldn't go nearly as high as you did, but I'd still be willing to give up quite a bit for Crosby. But it's worth noting that one of the main benefits of Crosby is the culture aspect, where we are hoping Crosby rubs off on the young guys like Demidov. But it's questionable if it's worth overpaying for that simply because it kind of looks like the team already has the right mindset/culture.

If he wins us a cup ..... there isn't a price I wouldnt pay.

 

[Scintillating10]

The question isn't if Vancouver would blow it up, its if they're confident enough in Pettersson to keep him at his contract when his full NMC kicks in. And if another would be confident enough to acquire him (and what another team would offer).

I think at the end of the day Pettersson is 26, a strong two-way center, and has two greater than P/GP seasons. That's hard enough to find that you just have to bet on him finding his game again. And Vancouver will bet on him rather than trade him.

Pettersson has averaged near ppg his whole career. But this season he looks different. Play has fell off a cliff. His contract is atrocious. Where good pro scouts come in handy

 

[LesCactus]

I’d give up our 2 firsts this year + Mailloux & Dach for Crosby.

 

[Sorinth]

If he wins us a cup ..... there isn't a price I wouldnt pay.

Sure but there's no guarantee, and even with Crosby we probably aren't even the odds on favourite even though we would arguably be a contender.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Pettersson has averaged near ppg his whole career. But this season he looks different. Play has fell off a cliff. His contract is atrocious. Where good pro scouts come in handy

At some point you need to take educated risks. Sometimes they don't work out how you hope, but you're not going to be able to pay low for buy high players.

(I don't think Vancouver ends up moving Pettersson, and I don't think Montreal puts a package together to get him even if they do)

I'd rather pay for Pettersson than give up what people on here want to pay for Crosby (who is far less "available"). Crosby isn't the two way player he was for most of his very long prime, Pettersson has been a good two-way player even this season. And Montreal desperately needs better defensive play in its top 6 if it wants to take the next step.

 

[Scintillating10]

At some point you need to take educated risks. Sometimes they don't work out how you hope, but you're not going to be able to pay low for buy high players.

(I don't think Vancouver ends up moving Pettersson, and I don't think Montreal puts a package together to get him even if they do)

I'd rather pay for Pettersson than give up what people on here want to pay for Crosby (who is far less "available"). Crosby isn't the two way player he was for most of his very long prime, Pettersson has been a good two-way player even this season. And Montreal desperately needs better defensive play in its top 6 if it wants to take the next step.

Pettersson and Laine both on a line with Demidov could go terrible wrong though. I probably wouldn't go there.

 

[Goldthorpe]

If Dubas says no to Crosby, would 38 year old Malkin be a good option?

More realistic IMHO. Tell him he could play with the next russian sensation!

And regarding Crosby: it's not about how much you overpay for him or not: Crosby decides where he plays. If he wants to play elsewhere it will just be arranged at his convenience.